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Pakistan tells US to accept defeat in Afghanistan, agrees assistance on equal terms

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  1. Tickler

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    Pakistan tells US to accept defeat in Afghanistan, agrees assistance on equal terms

    Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif, while briefing the Senate on Wednesday regarding the talks held between Pakistani and American delegations a day earlier, asserted that Islamabad will co-operate with Washington in the war against terror but without compromising on its sovereignty.

    On Tuesday, a six-member delegation comprising Pakistan's top civil and military leadership hosted US Secretary of Defence Rex Tillerson for a brief visit to Islamabad.

    Asif said that the Pakistani side told the American delegation that they should allow their policymakers, and not their military leaders, to device a policy for Afghanistan as the military solution has failed and a political solution is needed.

    "Their failures over the past 16 years [since the war in Afghanistan started] is before them," Asif added.

    "There will only be room for improvement if Washington accepts their defeat, their failures in Afghanistan," Asif said on Wednesday. "They are not ready to accept this."

    During the talks, Asif told the Senate, Pakistani officials informed the American delegation that Pakistan does not want any military hardware, economic resources or material gain from Washington. Rather, Pakistan wants a relationship based on equality with the US.

    Asif further informed the Senate that the Pakistani side has told the American delegation that if the latter provides actionable intelligence, Pakistan will act on it. He gave the example of the recent rescue of an American-Canadian couple and their three children from terrorists’ captivity in Kohat.

    "However, if they want that we act as their proxies to fight their war... this is unacceptable."

    "We will not compromise on our sovereignty, our dignity," Asif added. "Our relations [with America] should be based on self-respect and dignity."

    He said, in contrast, Pakistan, which is not a superpower, has gained successes in the war against terror.

    "Our country, our military and our police have made sacrifices in the war and in return, we have gained unmatched success."

    He said Pakistan would see further success if the Parliament, the National Security Committee and the people of the country send a united message as they had after August 21 when US President Donald Trump announced his South Asia policy and lambasted Pakistan for offering safe havens to "agents of chaos".

    At no stage since the policy announcement, have we succumbed to pressure and on Tuesday, for the first time, the civilian and military leadership of Pakistan sat down with the delegation and presented their input.

    "At no point during the talks did we adopt an accusatory tone, nor were we apologetic," the minister told the Senate.

    "The institutions of Pakistan will protect the country's interest," Asif said, adding that

    Diminishing influence over Taliban
    Asif further told the Senate that the Pakistani side had told the visiting delegation that the influence Pakistan once had over the Taliban has now diminished and there are others who are sponsoring the militant network.

    He said that Washington had been tracing Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour for some time but only when he travelled to Pakistani soil he was killed.

    "How do you expect that after these incidents Pakistan will have any influence over the Taliban?" Asif said, adding that these points had been raised in Tuesday's meeting in a "frank" manner.

    "We told them that there a number of influential players in the region ─ including China, Turkey and Russia ─ which might not have good relations with America but have a stake in the Afghan dispute."

    "The role of these countries in solving the dispute is indispensable," Asif added.

    Referring to a recent statement by US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley where she said that India can help the United States in keeping an eye on Pakistan, Asif said that Pakistan "also has a mouth to speak" but will proceed with caution so that relations with America can improve.

    Pakistan is not a safe haven for terrorists, US told
    Following the meeting between Pakistani officials and Rex Tillerson in Islamabad, Asif ─ who was a member of the Pakistani delegation ─ said that the American delegation was informed that Washington's allegations against Pakistan of offering safe havens to terrorists and protecting the Haqqani network are incorrect.

    Speaking on Geo News' late night show Aaj Shahzaib Khanzada Key Saath, Asif said that Islamabad wanted to show that all institutions in the country have the same message.

    When asked whether the joint talks were held with the visiting secretary due to a time crunch or, rather, in order to send out a united message to Washington, he said, "This was our deliberate decision ─ to hold talks on a single platform ─ so that Washington knows the leadership is united in the message it is sending across," Asif said.
     
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  2. Thəorətic Muslim

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    America knows nothing about Afghanistan. We're not talking about Nazi Germany, N. Korea, or Panama where you take out the leader and wala.

    There's a reason this is called 4th generation warfare.
     
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    Excellent comments!!!

    Well done
     
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    This it right approach by GOP . Enough of this do more thing , its now time for US of A to do more in Afghanistan.
     
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    Its now propaganda war against Pakistan where both US and eastern pests are active, Pakistan should make good allies in Chinese, Iranian, Turkey, Saudi and Russian top media. we need daily article which expose drug trade of CIA, deteriorating security situation in afghanistan, corrupt Afghan warlords, powerless Kabul's mayor, malign US destabilizing presence in Afghanistan and emphasize on regional solution for Afghanistan problem.
     
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    Just wait for 10 days.

    It will give better idea what is actually happening between US and pakistan. The statement is just make happy to PAKISTANI friends if I go by history.

    Picture abhi baaki hai..
     
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    Tough Words by Pakistan. Nobody talks to U.S like this But Kim Jong Un

     
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    excellent response to American aggression and bullying.
     
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    What a strange thing, to boast of the defeat of one's ally, then make a claim of self-respect and dignity.
     
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    No one is boasting, just stating a reality
     
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    The same thought crosses our mind when we see someone from a country irrespective of skin color who's flag you are ashamed to show
    Lol
     
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    Excellent approach by Pakistan need aggressive approach truth will hurt them but truth is truth.

    "ALLY" yea right right the one's that backs out when ever we need them.

    "ALLY" that places sanctions on us in war time instead of helping us.

    "ALLY" who abandons us when his needs are fulfilled.

    "ALLY" that threatens us and forces us to join a war that was never ours.

    "ALLY" who is now getting buddy-buddy with India no thanks we don't want such "ALLIES".

    I hope we get away from US as fast as possible.
    @Arsalan @django @Hell hound
     
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    Democracy and only democracy can bring peace to Afghanistan
     
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    Who says we are your ally, it is US who given us this so called status.
    Open your eyes, which part of the world is secure and safe after the 'mother of ills' intervention. Name one, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Egypt. The world is more unsafe because of US actions.
    In past Korea and Vietnam. Vietnamese bring you to your knees.
    In Afghanistan, a so called 6th/7th/8th generation army with state of the art airforce/weapons is at war since last 16 years against fistful of miscreants.
    You demands Pakistan to fight your war? Wake-up, enough is enough. We are not going. Ask the WWE ringside clown to take back this status 'make it 32 and have it'.
     
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