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Pakistan Should Not Blindly Surrender to Modi Over Sikh Demonstrations

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  1. RayKalm

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    Sikh civil society groups have condemned Pakistan’s decision to ban activities of Sikhs peacefully campaigning for “Referendum 2020” in which Sikhs plan to defy New Delhi and exercise their democratic right to vote on the issue of self-determination. Next year, Sikhs intend vote “yes or no” on the question of whether Khalistan should be formed as an independent state that would separate from the Indian state of Punjab. Similar votes have happened throughout the world with a wide array of results.

    In 2014, Scotland narrowly voted to remain part of the United Kingdom in such a vote whilst in 2017, in a vote that was not recognised by Spain, Catalonia voted to become an independent republic.

    In Indonesia’s Western New Guinea (often referred to as West Papua internationally), there have long been calls for a new referendum after the initial vote in 1969 in which the region voted to integrate with Indonesia has been described as un-free and unfair to ordinary people in the region. Even more recently, the French overseas territory of New Caledonia voted to remain politically united with France. Perhaps the most politicised referendum in recent years was when Crimea voted to leave Ukraine and rejoin Russia. The result of this vote has been recognised by Russia, the DPRK and Syria but few other nations.

    Of course, the world’s most controversial self-determination referendum is one that the UN first called for in 1948. This is the yet unrealised vote for self-determination in Kashmir.

    In 2020, Sikhs in Indian Punjab are planning to hold a referendum on whether they want to form an independent nation known as Khalistan or whether they want to remain within India. India’s reaction thus far has been to browbeat, bully and threaten those who allow pro-Khalistan activities on their soil. Canada, Britain and some mainland European countries have refused to ban the Khalistan movement but India seems to have forced Pakistan’s hand in the matter.

    While Pakistan has generally warm relations with the global and domestic Sikh community, it appears that Pakistan effectively succumbed to bullying from its militant BJP ruled neighbour. Of course, it is Pakistan’s domestic right to ban whatever political or activist groups it desires, including peaceful ones like the Khalistan movement. In this sense, the biggest problem is that Pakistan moved against a very small group of Sikhs who planned on hoisting banners and handing out literature at a time when India’s RAW continues to work with the Kabul regime to promote terrorism in Pakistan’s Balochistan province. Likewise, Indian occupation forces continue to inflict supreme violence against the civilians of Kashmir.

    In this sense, Pakistan has leverage that it refused to exercise against India. If New Delhi is so desperate for Islamabad to prohibit insignificantly small groups of Sikhs from handing out non-violent political literature outside their places of worship, Islamabad could have said ‘we will only prohibit Khalistan activism if India gives Pakistan all of the details of the last 50 years worth of Indian meddling in Balochistan, ceases its promotion of terrorism in Balochistan via Kabul, begins a ceasefire in occupied Kashmir and renounces all forms of military violence as a means of conflict resolution with Pakistan’.

    In other words, it takes two to tango. If India wants Pakistan to ban peaceful symbols of a Khalistan referendum on its soil, India had better cease fomenting violent separatism in south-western Pakistan. But in typically anti-strategic fashion, Pakistan simply capitulated to India’s bullying and got less than nothing for it. The concept of getting less than nothing for it can be proved by the fact that major pro-government Indian media outlets continue to claim (without evidence) that Pakistan is officially promoting the Khalistan movement in Indian Punjab when in fact the Khalistan movement’s presence outside of India is almost all in either Canada or the UK with other activists present in the United States and parts of continental Europe.

    Forgetting any moral arguments, from a purely strategic view, Pakistan made a blunder. Islamabad could have asked India for something in return for actively prohibiting low level Khalistan activists and instead, Pakistan asked for nothing. 2722305546_6dfcc1368d.jpeg
     
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    Spot on, I say turn the screw on these hindu fundo nutjobs
     
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    Pakistan should do tit for tat after India openly supporting Baloch separatists.
     
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    Why have we ban this when Modi has all those Baloch terrorists running wild in New Delhi? This is a wrong decision of IK government and I dont support him over this. In fact if he turned out to be another BB, than he can kiss goodbye to voters like us.
     
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    I'm with my Sikh brothers on this and I hope the govt of Pakistan reverses this stupid decision.
     
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    Everyone should have the right to decide what they want. Sikhs should be free to decide if they want a separate state or stay in india.
     
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    First of all "india can't bully Pakistan despite all their numerical advantage" this is the number 1 thing that burns them deep down inside.They can't vent their frustration out on us the way they do on bharti muslims.

    Second: I wouldn't trust khalistanis for 1 second now. Who knows after getting carved out of india they will set their sights out on lahore. Not taking sides in this mess doesn't equate to surrender.
     
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    When bangladesh become independent, did they set their sights on kolkota?
    Or did they become India's vessel?

    A free khalistan will be 100% dependent on Pakistan. They will be 0% threat to us.
    Especially if we treat them right, unlike India who is prone to invading their holy sites
     
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    They can't really claim lahore or any Pakistani area as the demographics here don't allow for anything like that. So I don't see how the Sikhs claiming lahore could be a serious concern.


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    Sikhs has nothing to do with Pakistan.

     
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    Your sikh "brothers" are responsible for the massacre of 1 million innocent Pakistanis in August 1947. They are the ONLY community in this world to have committed genocide against Pakistanis. The Jews/Israelis who you dislike have killed 0 Pakistanis. Can you see your hypocrisy?
     
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    I am of the view that Pakistan shall not extend any type of support to the Khalistan movement, for one thing, that it is a very weak political movement, to start with, with hardly any firm and sure basis.
     
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    Exactly...talking of demography, even Indian Punjab have equal number of Hindus...Besides, Indian Punjab's sikh's don't seem to have any issues living in India. The ones who do not want to live with India are already not living in India (Canada, UK etc)....so how does it matter?
     
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    Yeah, I don't have any substantial knowledge about the demographic situation in India as well but yeah if they don't have any major areas of demographic advantage, I don't see how they could get anything of substance from a referendum.

    You either have the numbers or the brute military/economic/political power to get what you want. If they have neither, I don't see this whole thing going anywhere for them.

    If having a legitimate historical claim was enough then the natives of Americas and Australia would've gotten a whole lot more than what they have now.


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    All Europeans killed millions of people in WWII. USA dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan. Moron, get out of this cave mentality. They all put their past behind themselves and moved forward in life and today they are all developed states. Sikhs made a mistake..they killed our and we killed theirs but now neither Sikhs nor Pakistanis harbour any animosity towards each other. They were taken for a ride by the baniya but now they have realised their mistake. Hindu Baniya is our eternal enemy, rest were temporary.