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Pakistan should buy Iranian helicopters

Discussion in 'Pakistan Air Force' started by flameboard, Sep 27, 2010.

  1. flameboard

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    Iran has been reverse engineering Cobra helicopters it had received from the US before the revolution. The helicopter reverse engineered and now currently being manufactured in Iran are more advanced than the ones Pakistan is using, if the US is taking so long while putting our troops at risk we should forget the US and but them from Iran. Plus we would not be subject to restrictions and could easily update them to perform more. They would also bring down the cost for helicopters, plus Pakistan might even be given technology to start making its own version of the helicopter, our friendly neighbor has much potential and much to offer we must tap that market. :pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:
    I would add an iranian flag but there is no option here's trying
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    AND??Invite immediate wrath of USA???

    For a county that cant keep its older f14s in flyable condition is suddenly making advanced helicopter. Wow. Any links to state facts or u just assumed bcoz it has some fancy name??

    PA will get super cobras afaik circa 2013/14.

    It if wants further harms down its throat they may well follow ur advice waving your flags.
     
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    Apart from the other obvious factors, at a purely industrial level, Iran cannot even cope with the numerical needs of even her own security forces, let alone those of others.

    Iranian researchers have come up with more original designs for a variety of military products and despite having the technical resources available for their manufacture, cannot do so given a variety of constraints. With the backdrop of this, the pragmatic alternative is upgrade and modification of what is readily available to delay it from becoming obsolete. As a consequence, this is what is witnessed most from the Iranian military industries regarding heavy equipment.

    Also, regarding Cobra helicopters, Iran at present is known to purely manufacture by itself utility helicopters alone. This can be evidenced by the fact that the Iranian fleet of these has grown, including one design in particular which is considered an Iranian original. Iran has done numerous upgrades of it's Cobra fleet, but whether those are new units in themselves or upgrades of existing ones, remains a subject of debate. Iran publishes no numbers by itself. What numbers are available are based on foreign speculation and analysis alone. Indeed, Iran has never itself cleared the matter to any extent regarding this given it's policy of an intentional 'cloud-cover' for it's systems.
     
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    I have to correct you in that Iran's F-14s are in a flyable condition as evidenced by the fact that they are paraded much by Iran as well given especially the political symbolism they illustrate. Moreover, apart from being in a flyable condition (i.e able to take off, stay in flight, and land), Iran has been keen to upgrade what remains of it's fleet. The primary reductions in the Iranian F-14 fleet date from the Iran-Iraq war period, mainly to a shortage of parts, than from recent times.

    Also, though evidently she has numerous short comings, Iran isn't suddenly making helicopters. The first Iranian helicopter project, the simplistic Zafar attack helicopter, dates from the 80s (Iran-Iraq war period). Iran has been manufacturing more advanced helicopter sub-systems since the mid-90s to enhance it's fleet and moreover, Iran has a very large independent helicopter repair and refurbishment ability and an established helicopter/ aerospace industry.
     
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    Reverse engineering a structure, looks and athesthetics are purely cosmetical for sales pitch. Iran as of now does not have the capability to reach the same level of metallgury, engines, avionics and control..so hypothetically should Pak buy iranian choppers..and the answer is NO!
     
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    Why not opt Turkish built weaponry ... !!!
     
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    Iran's F-14 fleet is slowing coming back online. Their scientists have figured it's inner workings, plus they have also upgraded it. In addition to this they are also making two indigenous fighter jets.
    Here is a clip of their helicopters

    as for production number money can solve that problem very easily. Since Iran developed the technology that went into their weapons or can make them indigenously, money remains to be the only problem.
    If you want more we also have other Muslim countries like turkey


    Here is the refurbished f-14


    Basically they make all their equipment them selves with obvious small exceptions. Pakistan needs Irans help they have an advanced space program.
    Oh and they also have armed UCAVs which India and Pakistan still haven't to the extent that they are battle ready. Here is proof


    Go do some research they are ahead of the world in some aspects such as Stem Cell Research
     
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    Sure that's another option, I'm just trying to stress that we have better alternatives.
     
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    As to the part about the engines, I would generally agree with that because Iran does not have a very large engine manufacturing base. As to the part about metallurgy and the stock avionics and control features on the AH-1, I would disagree as the manufacture of avionics and parts for the said helicopter as Iran has present facilities for these and moreover these have seen additions. Also, there isn't a cosmetic sales pitch in Iran's case because there is no target market for such Iranian products outside the scope of Iran's own forces, Iran isn't a large arms exporter and none of such systems are offered for sale-- Iran cannot even meet her own needs and still flies much older variants itself despite having more capable and advanced variants in service alongside.

    As to purchasing helicopters from Iran, I have already mentioned Iranian short comings in my first post. Iran would not be in position to offer any to begin with, so the idea fails from the onset much prior to before one tries to input the political conundrums attached to it. It isn't even clear if the Iranian variants are new units in themselves as yet.

    Moreover, it would be better for Pakistan to develop it's own domestic upgrades to further enhance it's fleet and more importantly to advance it's own industry in this regard. I do not deem an expansion of Pakistan's present and aging Cobra fleet as a necessity. Also, if such is the case, Pakistan would have better alternatives readily available from other nations.
     
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    Pakistan can get better attack helicopter then the Iranian one.
     
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    Sir, you make it unsparingly simplistic. Budgetary woes aren't easily covered and more importantly, they aren't the only hindrance to Iranian manufacturing. Moreover, Iran does not have a mass-production base and neither is Iranian industry orientated towards it-- to direct it in this regard requires a budget, a reorganization and a policy which put together is a new challenge, financial imperative and project itself altogether. To put it bluntly, whereas Iran has a wide base of projects, it has little in the means of numbers and availability.
     
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    Usually when a country is flying older variants along with newer more advanced variants there is usually a cost issue. Pakistan could also transfer technology, then there would be no need for Iran to supply Pakistan with the parts, Pakistan could make parts itself.
    Yes Pakistan should develop its own upgrades and indigenous technologies, but in the mean time Iran is an option, also don't forget Turkey.
    I would also like to bring to your attention that Iran going to equip Lebanon defend itself against Israel. My guess is Iran is developing itself to start exports.
     
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    Pakistan has been offered Ah-1J and guess what Iran's already got those, also they've been upgraded so yeah go suck on that.

    Once again the problem with US weapons is that you cannot make changes to your liking without first alerting the government, the equipment needs large amounts of replacements which is intentionally done so that they keep making money. There basically a lot of drama when it comes to dealing with the US which is why I am vying for alternative suppliers, like Iran and Turkey

    Pakistan should either ask for AH-1z or take its business elsewhere. Most US technology for Pakistan is usually downgraded which is really not worth it.
     
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    Ok?........:lol: