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  1. Gin ka Pakistan

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    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/09-

    Pakistan repeats call for fencing Afghan border
    By Khawar Ghumman
    Friday, 03 Jul, 2009 | 09:48 PM PST |
    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Friday has again called for fencing its border with Afghanistan to effectively stop illegal crossings especially of militants to its territory.
    The government of Afghanistan has consistently opposed the erection a fence on the border between two countries.
    The issue was discussed during a meeting between Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani and the US Secretary for Homeland Security Ms Janet Napolitano who called on him at the Prime Minister’s House this afternoon, said a press release issued by the prime minister secretariat.
    Referring to Ms Napolitano’s initiative when she was governor of Arizona about building a wall between the US and Mexico border, he said that a fencing of similar nature between Pakistan and Afghanistan could be put in place to stop infiltration of militants and drug traffickers.
    The prime minister called for US government’s help in working out a permanent solution with the government of Afghanistan to check uncontrolled, illegal crossings particularly of militants, terrorists and drug trafficking across the border with Pakistan.
     
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  2. qsaark

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    If this has become such a threat, and if our sons are dying because of this, why the hell this is needed to be discussed with Karzai. Go ahead, fence the border, mine it, whatever. Tell the Americans, we are going to do this, you like it or not. Pakistan does not have to discuss this matter with Karzai who is as puppet any way. Use media, tell the world how much important it is for the success in WoT what not.
     
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  3. ironman

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    Pakistan can only propose this but the another hand Afghanistan will never accept this. I am amazing that you guys do not aware of this.:what:
     
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    So what if they dont accept? What they can do more than what they are already doing? Sending Afghan National Army into Pakistan?
     
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  5. Coolyo

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    Screw Karzai, Afghanistan is a shithole anyways! No one cares what they think!

    Just build the damn fence!

    I can't stand these bloody TTP-Munafiqs anymore, they must be finished off once and for all, and if building a fence can help I will support it 150%!

    I am also sick and tired of our coward politicians... We need an aggressive Pakistan! We need an arrogant Pakistan that won't take crap from anyone!

    We need politicians who get the job done, because it's in the best interest of the country!

     
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  6. ironman

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    Dont you guys aware of this?



    Dr. G. Rauf Roashan

    August 11, 2001

    Abstract: The British signed a document with the person of King Abdul Rahman Khan in 1893 referring to the borders between Afghanistan and British India. The line devised by the British was worked by the British Colonial Officer Durand and thus became known as the Durand Line. The document was to be ratified by the legislative body in Afghanistan. It never happened. It was to remain in force for one hundred years. It has not been revived on the deadline, which was 1993 either. Pakistan and now especially its military government is trying disparately to pressure Taleban into what Pakistani interior minister Moinuddin Haider calls revival of the sanctification of the Durand Line. Legally the Durand Line remains as an imaginary line dividing families on both sides. It has never been demarcated either, especially from Khyber Agency north to Chitral. This artificial and imaginary line is increasingly becoming an area of conflict between Pakistan and Afghanistan even with Taleban regime that ironically has the political and military support of the government of Pakistan. A recent visit by an armed convoy of Taleban officials to Mohmand Agency has touched many nerves in Pakistan and has left it in shock. Friday Times of Pakistan reported the incident.



    Pakistan seems to be possessed with its insistence on what its interior minister Moinuddin Haider has called the need for sanctification of the Durand Line. This column has dealt with the historical perspective of the Durand Line in its earlier commentaries. (Refer to the commentary: Sanctity of the Unholy in this column's archives.) The same minister had traveled a few times into Afghanistan for talks with Taleban on the same issue. He has been reported pressing hard for recognition of this “imaginary line” by Taleban. Pakistani military government had even staged situations of conflict in the border areas in order to drive its point home for recognition of the border. Throughout, notwithstanding their relations with Pakistan, Taleban have resisted the pressure. Moinuddin Haider returned home from Afghanistan without any commitment from Taleban on the issue and as a matter of fact on any issue of importance including his government's request from Taleban not to destroy the historical statues of Buddha in Bamiyan.

    No legislative body in Afghanistan ever ratified the Durand Line agreement, signed by the British with the person of King Abdul Rahman Khan in 1893, and therefore as far as its legality is concerned it remains as a defunct historical document showing colonial designs in the third world countries. The Line was devised by the British to strengthen the status of Afghanistan as a buffer between the British India and the expanding Russian empire desirous of reaching the warm waters of the Indian Ocean and for that matter the rich colonial lands of the subcontinent of India. But when the British left India in 1947 for good, it should have returned Afghan territory at least including the area up to the natural border, the River Indus to Afghanistan. Instead, still dreaming of keeping its colonial interests alive in the subcontinent the British gave this territory to Pakistan, thus creating a double buffer zone between the expansionist Soviet Union and the Indian Ocean. This deprived Afghanistan of direct access to the sea. But this was not the only objective, the British-authored project of Durand Line wanted to achieve. It wanted to separate the Pashtoonland by an imaginary line. It would divide not only the land, but would separate families, fathers from sons and brothers from brothers.

    However, last Friday, the Friday Times of Pakistan published a comprehensive report on an important incident that challenges the very existence of the notion of the Durand Line. It reported a visit by a high level group of 95 Taleban including their interior minister in a convoy of heavily armed vehicles to Mohmand Agency. The report says the visit “has revived Afghanistan's claim on the area and left Islamabad shocked.” The report added TFT has learnt that the delegation, which was accorded a warm welcome by local chieftains and returned the same day whence it had come, visited a number of places in the agency, most notably the Khapakh area, some 20 kilometers west of Ghalanai. It seems that the visit had prompted the local assistant political agent Mutahar Zeb, to send urgent reports to the Home and Tribal Affairs Department. But Pakistani authorities have downplayed the significance of the visit stating that the group was there to offer condolence to a bereaved family. Manzoor Ahmed, additional secretary in the Department is reported to have said that the practice is normal since Mohmands live on both sides of the Durand Line and share their grief and happiness.

    But this is exactly the point any political observer would make. If a tribe is so cohesively entwined, how could any imaginary line divide it? But the Friday Times report also deals with other aspects of the visit. It says: “However, he (Ahmed) could not explain why it was important for the Taleban interior minister to come to Mohmand Agency all the way from Kabul. According to one malik (chieftain) of the Khoizai tribe, the Taliban expressed anger at the Mohmand sub-tribes' urge to get Pakistani identity cards. "This is our land. We will give you the (identity) cards," the malik quoted one Taliban delegation member as saying at a tea party, attended among other chieftains by Malik Fazal Manan, a former member of Pakistan's national assembly. During one of the ceremonies, the delegation also hoisted the Taliban flag at Khapakh.” It is worth mentioning that the visit had scared the Pakistani government so much so that it went ahead and arrested two tribal chieftains namely Malik Abid and Malik Naseem for interrogation and released them after 72 hours. The report further states: “Kabul has refused to renew the Durand Line treaty since 1993 when it expired, " says an Afghanistan expert. One of the reasons Pakistan faced problems with the Kabul rulers right from its inception was Kabul's claim over the North West frontier Province." Kabul never accepted that line or the fact that the NWFP is part of Pakistan. This was one of the main policy planks used by Sardar Daoud's government when it tried to foment trouble by Pukhtoon nationalists in the NWFP on the issue of greater Pukhtoonistan," says this expert.”

    The Durand Line treaty worked by the British was singed in 1893 and was to stay in force for one hundred years. Even if the treaty were ratified by a legal legislative body in Afghanistan its validity would have been expired in 1993 and there is no record of it ever having been revived. Pakistan heavily invested in Taleban for many reasons one of which was what its interior minister calls the sanctification of the Durand Line. However, it should be stated that matters such acceptance or rejection of international borders legally are the responsibility of legislative bodies within states and no executive officer can take over this right. In this respect Taleban are justified in having not taken any decision, as they are not legally qualified to do so. This extremely important and vital issue should be dealt with utmost care and true national representation. Even this imaginary line remains unmarked from Khyber Agency up into Chitral. It has been so for that past one hundred and four years. It will remain so for hundreds of years to come.

    This is a testimony to the fact that no artificial line, not even those devised by colonial powers, can and should separate masses of humanity that belong together.

    The Unholy Durand Line
     
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    Why are you posting irrelevant and completely garbage articles that were obviously written by some ignorant Afghan-nationalist. This is propaganda, stop posting this nonsense. Afghanistan is one giant wastebasket... They can't provide for themselves so we come in and help them, and in return they spread hatred against us.

    Pakistan should stop wasting so much time with Afghanistan, set them straight and let them know who is boss!
     
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    OK, there is no such thing as Durand line, it is a dead issue. If they want what they claim is theirs, they should come and take it from us if they can. End of the statement.
     
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  9. fhassan

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    We do not need permission from Hamid Karzi or Afghanistan for that matter.

    In fact, we should start fencing post haste and grab some land in way of compensation and as payment for displaced Afghans causing us trouble.

    Actually, scrap the fence. I propose a huge ditch, that way we do not need to waste money on materials. Just a huge ditch, with mines and barbed wire and maybe a small fence on one side. Perhaps on higher ground we will need a proper fence.
     
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  10. Coolyo

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    These Afghans only cause problems for us, even after we helped and supported them for so long. They are bringing Drugs, Terrorism, violence, crime, and other crap into our country. We are better off without them!

    We should build a giant cement wall not only a fence... I mean if America could do that to Mexico, we should to the same to Afghanistan!
     
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    This is what I am saying how can you fence an imaginary border?
     
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    The entire world recognizes the PAK-Afghan border as the international border, Durrand line is a dead issue, Muhammad Aslam Khan Khattak went to Afghanistan after independence of 1947 to persuade the Afghan government of a confederation between Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Afghan government back then did not want to be part of Pakistan, Muhammad Aslam Khan Khattak told them the Pakhtoons of Pakistan will never leave Pakistan, and we see that Pakhtoons are patriotic Pakistanis throughout history from freeing almost half of Kashmir to making Pakistan a nuclear power to winning world cups.

    Some Afghan nationalists hate Pakistan but most Pakistanis dont hate Afghanistan, we always wanted good relations with all Muslim countries and we never saw Afghanistan as a threat.

    Today Afghanistan is a threat, not because of their Aghan national army (which is just an infant compared to our strong Pakistani army), but because there's U.S., NATO, and Indian prescence in Afghanistan. Pakistan needs to fence that border, because unlike 30 years ago today that border is just a threat to Pakistan as the Pak-Hind border.
     
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  13. Always Neutral

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    Crocodile Tears for one's own failings ?

    Why not also demand for Obama to be replaced by Zardari ?

    If he gets 10 % of the US budget and gives 2 % donation to Pakistan you guys will be the next Saudi Arabia?

    Regards
     
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    What an irrelevant and useless post.
     
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    Well said! This should be our decision to make, ours only!
    "Either you're with us or you're against us".
     
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