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Pakistan PM Imran Khan chooses Saudi Arabia for his first foreign visit

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  1. Saif al-Arab

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    Pakistan PM Imran Khan chooses Saudi Arabia for his first foreign visit
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    A Pakistani man sits near a poster of Imran Khan in Islamabad on July 30, 2018. (AFP)

    Staff writer, Al Arabiya English
    Tuesday, 11 September 2018

    Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan has chosen Saudi Arabia as his first official foreign destination since he took office last month.

    The country’s Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry on Tuesday said Khan will visit Saudi Arabia soon, but a date for the prime minister’s visit to the Kingdom has not yet been finalized.

    PM Imran will meet Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the minister added.

    Further, Chaudhry said preparations for the visit are under way, adding that the premier will also perform Umrah during his visit.

    Last Update: Tuesday, 11 September 2018 KSA 14:53 - GMT 11:53

    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/Ne...audi-Arabia-for-his-first-foreign-visit-.html
     
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    What do you will come out of this visit? Anything tangible? Your thoughts appreciated.
     
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    Kaptaan sb,

    Already KSA has promised USD 10 billion low interest loan to support Pak finances.

    Regards
     
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    Paisa bolta ha baba ji.
     
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    State interests are higher than the sectarian affiliations.
     
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  6. Saif al-Arab

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    I think that MbS and Imran Khan will develop a quite close relationship and I believe that what Imran Khan is trying to do in Pakistan is very much aligned with the Saudi Arabia 2030 Vision and what MbS and others in power have been doing/transforming in KSA in the past 2-3 years.

    I don't expect anything groundbreaking (too early for that and both countries have too much on their plates to focus on) but I expect economic cooperation to grow and other sectors.

    Geopolitically I don't think that anything major/controversial will occur. The Yemen civil war is approaching its end (with the Yemeni government, KSA and the Arab coalition controlling 90% of the country and all main economic, oil, gas and ports, expect for Hudaydah that remains and which is an ongoing battle) and some fantasy of Iran and war won't occur either as neither KSA nor Iran will allow a direct conflict as it will suit everyone else but those two regional powers. The regimes in power in both countries are not THIS stupid.

    I don't know what he wrote or what language that was (Urdu I imagine) but not sure what sect has to do with this topic?

    If this is about "Shias", he should not forget that the percentage of Shias in KSA is higher than the percentage of Shias in Pakistan. The same Shias are part of every layer of Saudi Arabian society from your average police officer to the chemical engineer employed at ARAMCO.

    All Islamic sects are indigenously found in KSA. Be it the earliest Sunni, Shia, Sufi or whatever communities in the world. KSA is a diverse society on this front and every sect (Shafi's, Malikis, Hanafis, Hanbalis (the dominating due to that being the main sect of the clergy), Twelvers, Zaydis, Ismailis, Sufis etc. I am not even talking about the sizable portion of the society that do not evolve around religion.

    It is not as black and white as certain users on PDF want it to appear like. Not to mention that actual sectarianism in KSA is close to non-existent and remains confined to Twitter or religious disagreements whenever historical events are brought up. Extremely rarely do such disagreements turn violent.

    Some of the troublemaking clerics have almost all been dealt with by MbS in recent years and are no longer causing division. To great pleasure for the populace.
     
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    Agreed however we cannot ignore sectarian affiliations because of the region we live in. PM is between a rock and a hard place.
     
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    Imran Khan should take a leaf from MBS that how handled corrupt princes not that long ago. It is believed that those held princes only got their freedom after paying $100 billion dollars to the Govt.
     
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    I am surprised about this. What is Shia % in KSA?
     
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    It was not only princes but former politicians, billionaires and other high-ranking people. Obviously the purpose was an anti-corruption crackdown but it also had clear political motives (consolidating power) and showing in a very direct fashion that "times are changing".

    Initially (after that purge) trust in KSA (in terms of foreign investment) dipped but it has since changed for the better. Obviously this is not the way to go normally when such things are done "behind closed doors" so to speak.

    A lot of work to be done. KSA is doing way worse compared to other smaller GCC states when it comes to corruption but overall rather well compared to the standards in the world.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

    KSA is ranked 62 worldwide. Italy (in comparison) is ranked 62. So not overly bad but in terms of Western/European standards its average.

    However one could argue that authoritarian regimes where check and balances are a less well-develop thing than in democracies the likes of Denmark, are entitled to talk about "anti-corruption" purges to begin with. We are still 1-2 decades away from actual constitutional monarchies in the region and Arab world (talking about republican authoritarian regimes here as well) that will better reflect the will of the Arab people and prevent senseless rivalries hostilities between brothers and sisters (case in point Qatar of late) that would never have occurred if the majority had a say.


    I honestly thought that it was common knowledge. The oldest Shia communities in the world are located in KSA, Madinah more precisely. Some 15-20%. Although you have figures showing 10-15% but those are Twelvers solely, not the Zaydis and Ismailis. Although the Zaydis are quite close to Sunnis (more than Twelvers arguably). Other figures show 25%.

    In any case it is a substantial population and a quite prominent one since over half of them inhabit the Eastern Province where most of the oil and gas industries are located and other industries in KSA.

    All the various sects in KSA live completely peacefully. There is no history of large-scale conflict or massacres. Not in the modern era or in the past few centuries either.
     
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    I think maybe 15 to 20 percent.
     
  12. Saif al-Arab

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    Some of our ordinary Shia lot.

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    A Shia in the RSAF.



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    There is no place for sectarianism in KSA or violence related to this disease. We are one people. People won't accept it. A few troublemakers (on both sides) will always be present but as long as they are a few drops in the ocean, there is not much reason for concern. In fact the development (each year, IN PARTICULAR since the ISIS emerged) to openly and clearly speak out against all kind of divisions whether sectarian, regional, clan, tribal, social, ethnic etc.
     
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    mate, if no one is holding your hold in the difficult times and then all of a sudden old friend offers you help then definitely you will pay heed to him and respect.
     
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    eh? do you have Sufi as sect who have their own schools.. in Pakistan Sunni are Hanafi and follow Tariqa like Naqshbandi etc so they are basically same.. i think its same in other Muslim countries Arab, central Asian countries including Turkey. where Sunni follow Tariqa

    Sufis are not other category, they fall in Sunnis, its self blowing ideology which should be written after Sunni and Shia not sufis.

    Let me rephrase it for you, Sunni, Shia, Wahhabi etc....
     
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    There is nothing called "Wahhabi". Nobody identifies himself as that. Those that you call "Wahhabis" are Sunni Muslims that follow the Hanbali fiqh. Militant Salafism has little to do with this movement if anything at all. I know that it has become a buzzword that you can throw everything negative into. Just mention "Wahhabi" and the job is done. Forgetting that the supposed founder of this sect died 223 years ago and what is connected to this imaginary "Wahhabism" has nothing to do with the actual teachings.

    I am not an Hanbali but it needs to be told. Is the Hanbali fiqh conservative? Yes, it is. That's an entirely different discussion.

    Sufis in KSA are distinct and they tend to be a distinct community as a whole. Not all Hanafis are Sufi and vice versa.

    In KSA, Sufis are mainly found in Hijaz (but not only) and are often Shafi'is or Malikis.

    Anyway what we are discussing lately has nothing to do with the topic of this thread so ending it here.
     
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