Pakistan officially inducts HQ 9 Air Defence system

[Aesterix]

Again, from where this story is coming from?

True account is following:

The HQ-9: Dissecting Turkey’s Missile Defense Decision

Burak Bekdil, Turkey’s defense corespondent for Hurriyet Daily News and Jane’s Defence Weekly, reports that Turkey is “is strongly leaning toward adopting a Chinese long-range ant…

turkeywonk.wordpress.com

HQ-9 is good but no need to exaggerate.

The actual data is not publicly available, so we cannot say for sure either way.
For example, the ceiling, Some say 30 km , others say 40km.
The 40km ceiling for HQ-9B came from a former Lt General of Army air defence, so there's a lot of credibility to it.

 

[PanzerKiel]

The actual data is not publicly available, so we cannot say for sure either way.
For example, the ceiling, Some say 30 km , others say 40km.
The 40km ceiling for HQ-9B came from a former Lt General of Army air defence, so there's a lot of credibility to it.

 

[truthfollower]

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[jaybird]

Again, from where this story is coming from?

True account is following:

The HQ-9: Dissecting Turkey’s Missile Defense Decision

Burak Bekdil, Turkey’s defense corespondent for Hurriyet Daily News and Jane’s Defence Weekly, reports that Turkey is “is strongly leaning toward adopting a Chinese long-range ant…

turkeywonk.wordpress.com

HQ-9 is good but no need to exaggerate.

中国“红旗-9”历经签约又毁约 成“明星”武器-新华网

中国“红旗-9”历经签约又毁约 成“明星”武器---2013年9月，土耳其启动建设首个远程防空和反导系统，并在全球公开招标。一年后，土耳其总统埃尔多安表示，由于与中方的谈判无法达成一致，土耳其正在和法国Eurosam公司商讨购买远程防御导弹系统的具体事宜。

www.xinhuanet.com

There was a long articles from xinhuanet in 2015 talking about HQ-9 deal with Turkey in Chinese. It did mention HQ-9 was the only system hitting all 9 targets during the trial.

 

[LeGenD]

The actual data is not publicly available, so we cannot say for sure either way.
For example, the ceiling, Some say 30 km , others say 40km.
The 40km ceiling for HQ-9B came from a former Lt General of Army air defence, so there's a lot of credibility to it.

Indeed. Some countries do not make military trials public while others are more transparent. Turkish POV came out eventually (original link provided by me). Every single source points back to it so it is authentic.

HQ-9 is very well documented in fact. B variant has 41 KM engagement ceiling which is impressive. Pk for ballistic missiles is 30% per shot, and for aircraft is 90% per shot. Maximum range for engaging an aircraft is about 250 KM (equal to S-400 with 48N6E2 interceptor) but this would be possible with multi-radar setup. Pakistan have multi-radar setup so no issue.

There are aspects in which HQ-9 outrange Patriot for instance. This is correct. But there are aspects in which Patriot is better. There are trade-offs to be precise.

My position is simple: just be factual and not make dubious claims. This is all.

Some members do not read the posts and repeat same claims over and over again.

中国“红旗-9”历经签约又毁约 成“明星”武器-新华网

中国“红旗-9”历经签约又毁约 成“明星”武器---2013年9月，土耳其启动建设首个远程防空和反导系统，并在全球公开招标。一年后，土耳其总统埃尔多安表示，由于与中方的谈判无法达成一致，土耳其正在和法国Eurosam公司商讨购买远程防御导弹系统的具体事宜。

www.xinhuanet.com

There was a long articles from xinhuanet in 2015 talking about HQ-9 deal with Turkey in Chinese. It did mention HQ-9 was the only system hitting all 9 targets during the trial.

But there is no independent confirmation. Not from Turkey either.

9 targets could be anything. Turkey cannnot stress-test systems like USA can.

 

[farooqbhai007]

@PanzerKiel are there any plans for PA to acquire some rapid deploy able medium to long range radars to supplement the HQ-16 batteries , in addition to the existing network of YLC-2 + YLC-18A
like the PLA uses JY-12 to support its HQ-16 batteries

 

[jaybird]

Indeed. Some countries do not make military trials public while others are more transparent. Turkish POV came out eventually (original link provided by me). Every single source points back to it so it is authentic.

HQ-9 is very well documented in fact. B variant has 41 KM engagement ceiling which is impressive. Pk for ballistic missiles is 30% per shot, and for aircraft is 90% per shot. Maximum range for engaging an aircraft is about 250 KM (equal to S-400 with 48N6E2 interceptor) but this would be possible with multi-radar setup. Pakistan have multi-radar setup so no issue.

There are aspects in which HQ-9 outrange Patriot for instance. This is correct. But there are aspects in which Patriot is better. There are trade-offs to be precise.

My position is simple: just be factual and not make dubious claims. This is all.

Some members do not read the posts and repeat same claims over and over again.


But there is no independent confirmation. Not from Turkey either.

9 targets could be anything. Turkey cannnot stress-test systems like USA can.

Of course, the article is from the Chinese side with all the details and names of Turkey offical etc... and the back story explaining why the HQ-9 deal with Turkey failed to materialize at the end. That's one side of the story. whether you believe or not is up to each individual.

But there is really no such thing as independent confirmation with most weapon systems in the world other than weapon manufacturer's claim.

 

[LeGenD]

Of course, the article is from the Chinese side with all the details and names of Turkey offical etc... and the back story explaining why the HQ-9 deal with Turkey failed to materialize at the end. That's one side of the story. whether you believe or not is up to each individual.

But there is really no such thing as independent confirmation with most weapon systems in the world other than weapon manufacturer's claim.

Friend, independent confirmation comes from combat situations and/or transparency. Patriot continues to evolve as a system. Patriot configuration in 1991 flopped in combat situations. Patriot became much better and have impressive intercept record in combat situations since 2003. There is also footage of Patriot intercepting complex targets in American trials (transparency). Patriot continues to evolve and would be something new entirely by 2023.

And about HQ9? Accounts.

When the time comes and the system proves itself, praise will come naturally.

WE should not be like Russians. Create lot of hype and than make excuses later.

My critic extends to S-400 system as well even thought it is more capable than HQ-9 in some aspects.

 

[khanasifm]

S400 was part of bid process and lost on …

It was selected according to rumors because the coup in Turkey was predicted by Russian intelligence and shared withTurkey which was according to sources sponsored by the west and that enraged Turkey and got closer to Russian

What’s the truth who knows

CPMIEC wins Turkish long-range air and missile defence systems contract

China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp's (CPMIEC) FD-2000 medium to long-range missile system has been selected by the Turkish Defence Ministry for the long-range air and missile defence systems (LORAMIDS) contract.

www.airforce-technology.com

 

[Desert Fox 1]

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