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I don't think many of the brothers realise is just how many assets the HQ-9P will be working with. Do remember much of the AD network is Chinese so there'll be great interconnectivity and multiple radars monitoring threats that haven't even reached the border yet.
This awesome piece of tech is the key here, which will make the HQ-9P even more potent.

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At 500km what happens in India will be known to us fast.


It's already made headlines.

Intriguingly, the Chinese government claimed that while under development in Shandong it was able to track American F-22 Raptors flying over South Korea.



A Chinese-made type JY-27 radar deployed by Venezuelan Air Defense detected a United States F22 stealth aircraft as it approached the country’s airspace and sent a warning to the American fighter jet on Tuesday.

According to Avia Pro website, following the incident the Venezuelan army issued a warning to the US Air Force on May 12 that it was ready to fire without warning at any American aircraft if it tried to violate the country’s airspace.


So lets take the 500km range of JY-27A into perspective.

- 1 radar placed in Gwadar could practically track all air traffic over Gulf of Oman
- 1 radar placed near Lahore could track all air traffic over Delhi and all of IIOJK
- 1 radar placed in interior Sindh could cover the whole airspace of indian states of Rajasthan and Gujrat

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I don't think many of the brothers realise is just how many assets the HQ-9P will be working with. Do remember much of the AD network is Chinese so there'll be great interconnectivity and multiple radars monitoring threats that haven't even reached the border yet.
This awesome piece of tech is the key here, which will make the HQ-9P even more potent.

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At 500km what happens in India will be known to us fast.


It's already made headlines.

Intriguingly, the Chinese government claimed that while under development in Shandong it was able to track American F-22 Raptors flying over South Korea.



A Chinese-made type JY-27 radar deployed by Venezuelan Air Defense detected a United States F22 stealth aircraft as it approached the country’s airspace and sent a warning to the American fighter jet on Tuesday.

According to Avia Pro website, following the incident the Venezuelan army issued a warning to the US Air Force on May 12 that it was ready to fire without warning at any American aircraft if it tried to violate the country’s airspace.


The biggest advantage of HQ9P is that it can connect with China's resources. China's deployment of resources in Tibet has great advantages for India.

China did report that the JY-27A deployed in Shandong found the F22 flying in South Korea, but the Chinese report also said that the F22 may carry Luneberg lens. The maximum detection range of JY-27A is indeed 500km, but the theoretical maximum detection range for rcs0.5 stealth targets is only 300km. Therefore, JY-27A is unlikely to find F22 flying in South Korea without Luneberg lens.


So lets take the 500km range of JY-27 into perspective.

- 1 radar placed in Gwadar could practically track all air traffic over Persian Gulf
- 1 radar placed near Lahore could track all air traffic over Delhi and all of IIOJK
- 1 radar placed in interior Sindh could cover all of indian states of Rajasthan and Gujrat

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Pakistan has long deployed JY-27A at miyanwali air force base.

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So lets take the 500km range of JY-27A into perspective.

- 1 radar placed in Gwadar could practically track all air traffic over Gulf of Oman
- 1 radar placed near Lahore could track all air traffic over Delhi and all of IIOJK
- 1 radar placed in interior Sindh could cover the whole airspace of indian states of Rajasthan and Gujrat

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Rumour mill is the forces picked up a around 6-9 such radars.
 

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The 40N6 (or 40H6M to be precise) is noticeably bigger interceptor.

HQ-9 interceptor is comparable in size to 48H6E2 interceptor.

Russian interceptors are compared in terms of size in following link:


The TEL of S-400 system can accomodate 2 x 40H6M interceptors or 4 x 48H6E2 type interceptors.

40H6M can engage large aircraft such as AEW&C around 380 KM mark.

HQ-9 interceptor can do the same around 250 KM mark*.

Target characteristics such as dimensions, speed, direction, maneuverability, RCS, Electronic Warfare (EW) capabilities will collectively affect 'range' as you correctly pointed out.

*This range is beyond the capacity of the HT-233 dedicated FCR for the system. HQ-9 is compatible with different types of Chinese radar systems to address this limitation. IMAD is helpful.

However;

The 961NE dedicated FCR of S-400 can detect and track targets at a much greater range than the HT-233 dedicated FCR of HQ-9. This distinction is helpful in standalone situations and/or in degraded IMAD situations.
Fighter jet flies at 10 km-20 km height, most of the time only 6 km or even lower. Ground based radar can not detect target too far away.

40H6M can engage large aircraft such as AEW&C around 380 KM mark.
You need AWACS such as ZDK-03 to guide the missile.

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The biggest advantage of HQ9P is that it can connect with China's resources. China's deployment of resources in Tibet has great advantages for India.

China did report that the JY-27A deployed in Shandong found the F22 flying in South Korea, but the Chinese report also said that the F22 may carry Luneberg lens. The maximum detection range of JY-27A is indeed 500km, but the theoretical maximum detection range for rcs0.5 stealth targets is only 300km. Therefore, JY-27A is unlikely to find F22 flying in South Korea without Luneberg lens.





Pakistan has long deployed JY-27A at miyanwali air force base.

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Thanks for the information.
Yes a number of the JY-27A are in operation as part of integrated AD network.
 

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S400 never has 400 km range with 40N6E. The actual range is much shorter.

Range is highly affected by the target height, speed, direction, maneuverability, RCS, electronic warfare.

So HQ-9 only mentioned 265km slant distance. The max range of QH-9 is much longer. HQ-9 can hit 400 km easily, but it's meaningless because the momentum is not enough to catch the jet.

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The biggest problem would be the way in which the Russians market the S-400. They are quite used to publishing highly misleading data, just like what they did with Su-35's N035 Irbis-E ("Snow Leopard") PESA radar, in order to attract clients attention. When they said Snow Leopard is capable of detecting a target as far away as 400km, they didn't mention in what conditions this 400km range can be achieved.

There was a story told by a known credible source that, after the Su-35 jets equipped with Snow Leopard radars were delivered to PLAAF, PLAAF tested the radar and compared its actual capability with that of J-16's AESA radar. They were a bit shocked to find out that Snow Leopard's look-up range is only slightly greater than J-16 radar's look-down range, which means J-16's radar is a lot superior to Snow Leopard.

It turns out Snow Leopard's 400km range was achieved in staring mode and types of targets were actually unidentifiable in such distance.

I guess PLAAF has learnt from past experience that the Russians might have played number games on S-400's specs and therefore was not quite impressed of the boasted 400km range.
 
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All of these new assets are glued together in Pakistan's AD network under multiple iterations of Project Vision and and where this programme of enhancements continue apace. Pakistan (and importantly the Army aswell) has recognised the "political" threat that aerial surgical strikes pose even when used in a limited military fashion and therefore is determined to both have the first shot advantage but to also ensure each engagement is a winning engagement for Pakistan.
 

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I don't think many of the brothers realise is just how many assets the HQ-9P will be working with. Do remember much of the AD network is Chinese so there'll be great interconnectivity and multiple radars monitoring threats that haven't even reached the border yet.
This awesome piece of tech is the key here, which will make the HQ-9P even more potent.

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At 500km what happens in India will be known to us fast.


It's already made headlines.

Intriguingly, the Chinese government claimed that while under development in Shandong it was able to track American F-22 Raptors flying over South Korea.



A Chinese-made type JY-27 radar deployed by Venezuelan Air Defense detected a United States F22 stealth aircraft as it approached the country’s airspace and sent a warning to the American fighter jet on Tuesday.

According to Avia Pro website, following the incident the Venezuelan army issued a warning to the US Air Force on May 12 that it was ready to fire without warning at any American aircraft if it tried to violate the country’s airspace.


Bro,

YJ-27A is an asset no doubt. It is deployed in M. M. Alam Air Base. This radar system can notice aerial activity inside India across Punjab and parts of LOC and provide much-needed early warning of incoming ballistic missiles and aircraft to Pakistani defenses in desired locations when operated at peak power. If there are more then even better.

Both HQ-16 and HQ-9 can take cues from YJ-27A (or network), ZDK-03 AEW&C, and each other. You pointed out as much.

Pakistan also have a network of AN/TPS-77 long-range radar systems which can detect incoming ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and aircraft.



HQ-9 is our best shot to counter incoming cruise missiles no doubt.

Pakistani defenses are good enough for a wide range of Indian threats in theory. Ballistic missiles are unlikely to be used due to obvious reasons.

The only concern is Rafale F3-R armed with standoff munitions such as SCALP. This technology should not be in Indian hands but it is unfortunately.

Pakistan's CLIAD might be the key but this is something that WE will find out in case of war.

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I am not sure about alleged detection of an F-22A near Venezuela. It was moving towards South Korea at the time.

It is the Modus Operandi of the USAF to equip F-22A and F-35A/B/C with luneburg lens in peace time (and also in low-key conflicts). Venezuela decided to give its own spin to said development of-course.

The real eye-opener was in Syria when Israel decided to strike at some targets in Damascus in 2019. Word is that Israeli F-35i knocked out an YJ-27 class radar system in the process. Satellite imaging confirmed destruction of the radar system. It was rebuild at a later stage.

I have explained in one of my posts as to how F-22A and F-35A/B/C minimize detection possibilities up to VHF band. This post is cited in the 'American military technologies general discussion' thread.

Good to note that India does not have such technology in its hands. Pakistan's Foreign Policy should also make sure that India does not gets it.
 

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Rumour mill is the forces picked up a around 6-9 such radars.
Doubt , the already deployed JY-27A was purely for testing , It is gone now
Bro,

YJ-27A is an asset no doubt. It is deployed in M. M. Alam Air Base. This radar system can notice aerial activity inside India across Punjab and parts of LOC and provide much-needed early warning of incoming ballistic missiles and aircraft to Pakistani defenses in desired locations when operated at peak power. If there are more then even better.

Both HQ-16 and HQ-9 can take cues from YJ-27A (or network), ZDK-03 AEW&C, and each other. You pointed out as much.

Pakistan also have a network of AN/TPS-77 long-range radar systems which can detect incoming ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and aircraft.



HQ-9 is our best shot to counter incoming cruise missiles no doubt.

Pakistani defenses are good enough for a wide range of Indian threats in theory. Ballistic missiles are unlikely to be used due to obvious reasons.

The only concern is Rafale F3-R armed with standoff munitions such as SCALP. This technology should not be in Indian hands but it is unfortunately.

Pakistan's CLIAD might be the key but this is something that WE will find out in case of war.

- - - - -

I am not sure about alleged detection of an F-22A near Venezuela. It was moving towards South Korea at the time.

It is the Modus Operandi of the USAF to equip F-22A and F-35A/B/C with luneburg lens in peace time (and also in low-key conflicts). Venzuela decided to give its own spin to said developmen of-course.

The real eye-opener was in Syria when Israel decided to strike at some targets in Damascus in 2019. Word is that Israeli F-35i knocked out an YJ-27 class radar system in the process. Satellite imaging confirmed destruction of the radar system. It was rebuild at a later stage.

I have explained in one of my posts as to how F-22A and F-35A/B/C minimize detection possibilities up to VHF band. This post is cited in the 'American military technologies general discussion' thread.

Good to note that India does not have such technology in its hands. Pakistan's Foreign Policy should also make sure that India does not gets it.
JY-27 is no longer deployed , it was here only for testing , However the PAF operates YLC-2 & YLC-18A Radars which can be networked to provide data to the HQ9 if it isnt already being done
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The testing site for JY-27A is empty since 2021 started , only changes at this site are more F-7s getting retired and lined up here in late 2021
 
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The biggest problem would be the way in which the Russians market the S-400. They are quite used to publishing highly misleading data, just like what they did with Su-35's N035 Irbis-E ("Snow Leopard") PESA radar, in order to attract clients attention. When they said Snow Leopard is capable of detecting a target as far away as 400km, they didn't mention in what conditions this 400km range can be achieved.

There was a story told by a known credible source that, after the Su-35 jets equipped with Snow Leopard radars were delivered to PLAAF, PLAAF tested the radar and compared its actual capability with that of J-16's AESA radar. They were a bit shocked to find out that Snow Leopard's look-up range is only slightly greater than J-16 radar's look-down range, which means J-16's radar is a lot superior to Snow Leopard.

It turns out Snow Leopard's 400km range was achieved in staring mode and types of targets were actually unidentifiable in such distance.

I guess PLAAF has learnt from past experience that the Russians might have played number games on S-400's specs and therefore was not quite impressed of the boasted 400km range.
Chinese technicians initially did not believe these Su-35s were Russian originals. They think the Russians must have reservations. So they tried to get accurate information from the Russians. It took a lot of alcohol before The Chinese technicians were convinced that the SU-35s were as good as the Russian Air Force.

This is mainly due to the backwardness of Russia's electronics industry. The late Soviet Union chose the wrong technical route, resulting in the Russian electronic equipment can not be miniaturized. But Russia inherited a lot of Soviet technology. According to The assessment of Chinese experts, Russia can achieve similar performance of Chinese and American electronic equipment with special technology. Chinese experts also advocate that Chinese technicians learn from the Russian spirit and develop different technical routes, instead of all devoting themselves to the known routes. One of Russia's strengths is its ground-based air defense system, which does not need to be miniaturized. Most importantly, the S400 is cheap compared to the HQ9B.
 

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Yep this itra-operability between PAAF/PAAD and PLAAF/PLAAD that Praween Swahney stresses upon quite often. Will be very interesting and lethal if implemented.
The biggest advantage of HQ9P is that it can connect with China's resources. China's deployment of resources in Tibet has great advantages for India.
 

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Doubt , the already deployed JY-27A was purely for testing , It is gone now
The testing phase is over, which was successful. The forces won't disclose the radar was purchased and in operation till much later.
Both the YLC-2 & YLC-18A (detection range of 330km) do not have the capability of the JY-27A , Chinese members can confirm that as well.

 
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The BS about paa and paf integration should be over for good now, anyone who know basic of C4 and any c2 could have negated the BS but there are many who like to dramatize things especially in South Asia

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The PAF started networking in 1977.
This is the high point of that.
All levels of air defence covered and interlinked.
 

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