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It could be the older versions A/B are TVM while newer ones B/C are active. Remember, all the benefits of TVM are rather old (no need for heavy electronics on missile and not-alerting target when its engaged), these are solved with modern electronics and AESA LPI radars.
There is no such HQ-9 series based on TVM guiding,this is not a secrect to Chinese military fans.You can find the relevant informations from the R&D process records of 346"海之星" AESE RADAR for 052C DDG at about 25~30years ago.
 
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Don't know why ppl think there's a lahore vs karachi argument here. There was never any debate about where HQ-9 would go or which city is better. One poster was shitting on lahore for some reason b/c apparently it losing it in a war wouldn't be much of a problem as long as you have karachi. He earned himself a reality check.

Request to everyone: Grow up & keep your idiocy to yourself in the future so we can avoid derailing a thread.
 

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Pakistan needs to build or purchase 400km + MLRS system to neutralise the S400 ( and the counter is true for India against the HQ-9).

AWACs combined with a 450km AWACs that does sigint to detect SAM systems would be the perfect setup. Ideally Pakistan's next procurement is this MLRS type system.
Pakistan has hundreds if not thousands of Raads/Baburs/A100s/C802/UCAVs that can neautralize S400 systems.
 

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Pakistan has hundreds if not thousands of Raads/Baburs/A100s/C802/UCAVs that can neautralize S400 systems.
I think by neutralize he meant matching the capability. Ballistic missiles will be used as last option and India will use those too. All life will end if it comes to that and Pakistan and India will unlikely go to all out war for this reason.
Matching their air defense is needed for air combats that happen from time to time and will most likely happen again.
 

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I think by neutralize he meant matching the capability. Ballistic missiles will be used as last option and India will use those too. All life will end if it comes to that and Pakistan and India will unlikely go to all out war for this reason.
Matching their air defense is needed for air combats that happen from time to time and will most likely happen again.
You dont neatralize a SAM with another SAM
 

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You dont neatralize a SAM with another SAM
Equalize is a better word for what I meant i.e to have a matching capability to stop their jets from coming too close just like their S 400 will do.
They have 400 km range, we should have 400 km or more range.
Of-course neutralizing is better if we can do it but sending ground missiles to an air defense system deep in enemy territory is next level of engagement which equal to all out war.
 

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doesnt it create a single point of failure? take out the command center and everything goes down?
I think it would be working on load balancing concepts, there is never one single point of failure, atleast in basic data security, there are always primary, secondary and even tertiary backups, backups are never at same geographical locations in case of such sensitive matter
 

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Equalize is a better word for what I meant i.e to have a matching capability to stop their jets from coming too close just like their S 400 will do.
They have 400 km range, we should have 400 km or more range.
Of-course neutralizing is better if we can do it but sending ground missiles to an air defense system deep in enemy territory is next level of engagement which equal to all out war.
Who told you that they have 400 km range as of now ?. When they will have it let us know than. Stop this di*k measuring contest, it makes your argument weak and unprofessional. Pakistan will have SAMs with even more longer ranges once they are available to us in due time but everything has to move forward step by step.
 

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Equalize is a better word for what I meant i.e to have a matching capability to stop their jets from coming too close just like their S 400 will do.
They have 400 km range, we should have 400 km or more range.
Of-course neutralizing is better if we can do it but sending ground missiles to an air defense system deep in enemy territory is next level of engagement which equal to all out war.
I like how everyone forgets the fact that we’ve had our HIMADS in service since late 2018 and now have 4 regiments will nearly full coverage of our border as well as more regiments on the way to not only cover the entire border but to overlap in sensitive areas.

Meanwhile india won’t have S400 in full operation anytime before 2024, yet they’ve been acting like they’ve had it for a decade now. That means for over half a decade, there’s a serious gap in Indian AD, one which won’t be plugged soon. We have the advantage.

That’s the difference between the two forces. One barks, the other bites.

You also forget that india is several times bigger than Pakistan and that they have the Chinese border to cover, we have no such issue. With our geography the HQ-9P will work just as well as S400.
 

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I like how everyone forgets the fact that we’ve had our HIMADS in service since late 2018 and now have 4 regiments will nearly full coverage of our border as well as more regiments on the way to not only cover the entire border but to overlap in sensitive areas.

Meanwhile india won’t have S400 in full operation anytime before 2024, yet they’ve been acting like they’ve had it for a decade now. That means for over half a decade, there’s a serious gap in Indian AD, one which won’t be plugged soon. We have the advantage.

That’s the difference between the two forces. One barks, the other bites.

You also forget that india is several times bigger than Pakistan and that they have the Chinese border to cover, we have no such issue. With our geography the HQ-9P will work just as well as S400.
No wonder Asif Ghafoor was like, Yes Indians try it and see what happens...
 

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The main missile performance of FD2000B is equivalent to 48N6E3, and that of HQ9B is equivalent to 48N6DM.

FD2000B is similar to S300PMU2.
HQ9B is similar to S400 lacking 48N6.
HQ9C is similar to S400 with enhanced anti missile capability.
HQ19 is similar to a mixture of THAAD-ER and S500.

S500 is not an upgraded version of S400. S400 is an upgraded version of S300P and S500 is an upgraded version of S300V. S400 is suitable for air defense in important locations, and S500 is suitable for theater air defense (77N6N and 77N6N1 are more suitable for intercepting fighters).
HQ9C and HQ19 have better anti missile capability than S400 and S500. HQ9B has the capability of intercepting missiles with a range of 600km, HQ9C has the capability of intercepting missiles with a range of 1000km, and HQ19 has the midcourse anti missile capability. HQ19 is similar to THAAD, HQ29 is similar to PAC3, HQ26 is similar to SM3, and SC19 is used to intercept satellites.
The critical poisonous rats have all gone silent. Excellent post.
 

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45 pages in of shit posting can we just lock this thread , at this point the people are just quarreling over if they wanna deploy the HQ9 at Lahore or Karachi , like really are you that much retarded.
The only quality post in this thread were by panzerkiel , other than that its just Oh no Indian will destroy HQ9 with ARM and drones or comparison with S400 ,

India already has the 100km range Barak 8 deployed already at Sri nagar and Jaislamer so please lets just get over the HQ9 vs S400
 

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45 pages in of shit posting can we just lock this thread , at this point the people are just quarreling over if they wanna deploy the HQ9 at Lahore or Karachi , like really are you that much retarded.
The only quality post in this thread were by panzerkiel , other than that its just Oh no Indian will destroy HQ9 with ARM and drones or comparison with S400 ,

India already has the 100km range Barak 8 deployed already at Sri nagar and Jaislamer so please lets just get over the HQ9 vs S400
What were you expecting? Common sense and unity?
 

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