• Wednesday, January 29, 2020

Pakistan Offers Security for 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar

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  1. Signalian

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    PA presence in uniform/without uniform has been in Qatar since decades. The relations have gone up since then.

    from where will 50k Pakistani troops appear to serve abroad ?
     
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    what is your primary concern?

    why cannot Akcent concerts and Mika Singh concerts for soft power be complimented by this?

    i see no harm in this. convince me
     
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    Why I need to convince you ? a person who already dissolve his socialist party and join the sectarian mullah clan, is totally useless for me.
    Again sarcasm ....
     
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    It makes a lot of sense. It's a chance to make some money, give the troops a different experience and build some diplomatic credit with a wealthy neighbour.
     
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    Hi,

    Out of all people you would ask that question---?

    10000 soldiers from existing stock---possibly 2000 from recent retiress jc's nco's & rest new recruits---in batches of 1000+1000+1000+1000 being trained---it is 3-4 months training---then deployment with pakistani troops and and from the pakistani troops 4000 released for GCC duty---.

    Rotating this cycle as new recruits get field training with pak troops and seasoned troops being sent out---.

    After 6 months---the fresh troops inducted get transferred to GCC---.

    Just for military---pakistan can induct a 1 million plus young recruits---.

    Why did I have to explain this to you---you who claim to be ex pak military---.

    What is wrong here young man---what is wrong with your thinking---what is wrong with you kids training---.

    If I opened up a military induction center anywhere pakistan for recruitment to GCC---I would have lines so long that I would not be able to handle the recruitment---because unemployed youth with get jobs---better paying jobs with benefits living and in death---.

    I am so totally flummoxed and shocked at the incompetent level of thinking of simple issues from pakistani men and boys---it is just simply astounding---.
     
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    Yes - did i venture into the hornet's nest again :laugh:

    You can search the forum - i never claimed that. I have put forth myself as a civilian whenever asked :angel:

    :azn:

    50,000 Troops makes a whole Corps comprising of 3 x Infantry Divisions (3 x 15000) and a Brigade level (5000) Corps assets. Raising an Infantry Division takes minimum 1-3 years and maximum of 5-7 years, lets say on average 4 years. You are referring to a Security Corps type of formation, which im assuming will get fully weaponized by the host Gulf country- from Assault rifles up to Tanks and even Aviation assets.

    Training a soldier for basic combat with military drill and discipline, takes roughly 9 months. Then he is sent for specialized course in his "trade", which could take up to 6 months. Finally starts his tenure in a unit as sepoy. Officer's training is different of course. 2 years PMA + Yo's (Basic course) and then unit and hard area and then other courses. That's 3-5 years.

    Is there a contract that Gulf countries will sign to provide the up-keep, salaries, medical and pension of these soldiers after retirement ? (has there been any official statement or is this just an idea in your head)

    Pakistan Army is probably raising another division, 44th LID. FC is being expanded for defense on Durand line and on border with Iran. If it won't be FC then it could be Levies or Khasadars or any other Para Military force. Thats alone a requirement of roughly 25-30,000 troops inside Pakistan. 4th Pak Battalion in PMA was inaugurated and initialized to address the issue of shortage of officers, which has severely increased now (KIA and WIA since past 15 years). Officers have to be rotated on command and staff positions, some are abroad on courses, others are attached with Civilian Govt Departments. The shortage of soldiers is more higher. Even then Pakistan Army is maintaining a size-able force abroad in UN missions as well as in KSA and other countries.

    Transferring 10,000 soldiers means shifting two brigades - from where will you pinch out that much force ? and how will you plug the gap ?

    You could have 2 million Pakistani youth standing out recruitment centres, but as you narrow down the selection, you will have thousands of fresh recruits who will need training of all sorts. The training centers already have courses going on with full strength, you will start burdening the training centers. New training centers will take years to build and equip with experienced staff and equipment. Location is another issue due to climate. A branch of PMA was opened in Mangla, it failed due to weather issues.

    Next is the experience; you want the experienced ones to be sent abroad till your figure of 50,000 is complete ?

    The battle hardened force that today defends Pakistan will be sent abroad, while inexperienced ones will take positions on LOC. This is a major drawback in strategy and deployment. Inexperience mounts causalities, which in turn endangers morale. The enemy makes a propaganda out of it. In case of war with India, Pakistan's 3 x division worth experienced troops would be deployed abroad which could make a difference between winning and losing.

    These men are soldiers, they are not tradesman working in Gulf, selling their talents as consultants. The cohesion in military remains intact when there is a mission to protect the motherland from enemy. As soon as soldiers become mercenaries, this spirit is dented. Pakistan Army should induct 50,000 troops to protect its own borders and get rid of internal and external enemies. The COIN war is not over. Pakistan is surrounded from both sides- India and Afghanistan, which means a conventional war can occur any time too.

    Pakistan might get weapons from Gulf countries in return, probably a 100 shiny brand new aircrafts, 20 or so warships and 1000's of tanks to start with - but this weapons race won't end. India will order 200 more aircrafts, buy 40 new warships and build 2000 more tanks.

    Pakistan is not a poor country, that youth has to pick up guns for getting modern weapons. Pakistan has its armed forces to defend the nation and its youth to build the nation. Pakistan has scientists, doctors, engineers, IT professionals, accountants, economists, poets, writers etc. Pakistan has youth with keen minds and analytical thinking - not just soldiers who lay their lives for the nation. Pakistan's children need direction. The direction that leads the way not for them to just become good citizens but also assist Pakistan in getting stronger through their own unique ways as an individual. Not everyone is a soldier - not everyone serves the country by wearing a military uniform.

    Education is the way to go - not War

    A million young Pakistanis should instead be given admission in universities and provided R&D opportunities in their respective fields to develop the skills necessary in building a solid base of industrialization in Pakistan. This will further help in setting up research facilities, manufacturing facilities and commerce hub (especially through CPEC). The trade route has already been set up - the trading items need to be made, loaded and sold off to generate revenue. Military weaponry is not the only industry thriving in this world- medical, engineering of all sorts, architecture, IT etc are being researched and progressed.

    Pakistan's dependency on its young generation should not be to make them money making mercenaries fighting wars for others, but develop a dignity and pride in serving own country to strengthen it through their talent and hard work. Pakistan's defence industry is already progressing - now the economy will also get better side by side when the young blood moves forward into developing the nation by giving opportunities so they can unleash their potential of creativity and imagination in research and development.

    Have a cup of tea, try cookies or rusk with it. Then doze off on your couch, snoring away till morning.
     
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    Brilliant response to his long serving ideology of turning our battle hardened soldiers into mercenaries for kingdoms.
     
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    Dude he said Olympics in Yemen. Any small kid would recognize the sarcasm ffs...
     
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    If you want to write something then write it---. You don't need to target me.

    And when you want to target me---don't use my shoulder to carry your gun---.

    Have the honesty truth and character to do it on your own---.

    I still work a full time job---which is about 50-55 hours a week and am a coffee drinker without cream---.

    Should be or should not be is not the issue I am not interested in---. You can preach that---.

    New training centers can be built with GCC funds---or just simply training given in GCC---no reason to interfere in the existing training schedule---.

    You are all over the map in your post---can't make head or tail of it---.
     
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    seeing the bigger picture is hard for many
    people doesn’t understand the difference between having economic muscle of 7 trillion dollars oil economies vs 50k soldiers
    or brand new f16/f15s vs mig21s cos this day and age isn’t about numbers anymore
    one guy with a perfect tool can sabotage the whole war plan of enemy
    but these tools cost arm and leg that we don’t have and who has we r drooling them away
    so much so that in progress we r opening new doors to our enemy
    way to go PA planners.
    taking up 2 million a month job for himself wasnt bad but sending army in times of need was bad according to some
     
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    I am not surprised by that. Everyone else understood what is trying to say.
     
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    Supporting Pakistan's effort to help Qatar successfully host the FIFA World Cup is a matter of sectarian debate?
     
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    Takes one to know one.
     
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    Then---you would have been the co-ck of the walk---it would be your domain---now you have lost Kashmir 1/2---and they want the other 1/2---you have lost most of GCC---the US naval fleet is back in the arena---

    So---from being somebody with your own fiefdom---you are fighting to keep your domain---.
     
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    This is an excellent opportunity for Pakistan if Watar accepts.