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Mastan Sb,
why are you telling half the story share the full story.

Kilo and Akula SSBN were hunting PNS Saad
Scorpion was on ELINT/SIGINT mission.

Scorpion caught by P3Cs made public
Akula SSBN & Kilo were caught as well they also never completed there mission.

However, PNS Saad did so as The P3Cs, what triggered the Type 054PA purchase is ability to extend air defence and anti submarine operation and support deep into our recently extended EEZ.
Thanks for sharing the actual story
 

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I wish, instead of buying foreign ships, PN must start ordering 4 squadron of jf17 b3 and focus on jinnah class frigate
I think this is a moot question for now. Pakistani budget can't afford 055 for now. Navy is the most expensive branch of service, and it's all moot unless you have the air superiority. Investing in to the Air Force and the Army is much more cost effective.
 

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Is type 54 known for its ASW capability sir or it is more suited for PN as a point/Fleet air defense platform? Don't understand the correlation between the two in actions.
The actual outcome of lurking Indian subs in littoral waters of Pakistan would have been to revamp or increase ASW Air assets. These are more effective than a 29 knot warship and covers bigger area in lesser time.
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You are correct but the visuals have their own effect on the enemy. From an F22---now the enemy has to face something twice its size and potency.

Another thing---foreign trawlers coming into our seas and stealing fish---or enemy ships harassing our fishing trawler and arresting them---.
early 2017
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Thank you---and when did the submarine surfacing incidence happened?
 

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I wish, instead of buying foreign ships, PN must start ordering 4 squadron of jf17 b3 and focus on jinnah class frigate
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A lots of fish is being stolen from our seas by foreign fishing trawlers. A higher number of naval vessels would stop that or reduce the theft substantially---.

Type 054 is an extremely potent naval fighting vessel.
 

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Sir with all due respect, policing the EEZ should be the duty of MSA and not PN. Patrolling with a 4000 ton heavy frigate versus doing the same job with max 1,000+ ton corvette or an OPV is more cost effective. The fishing trawlers or the factory ships are not armed, after all.

Type 54AP will be more suited to Fleet (Surface Group) air defense and long range AShM strikes.
 

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About time we order atleast 2 more Type 054. 6 should be a minimum requirement to fulfill needs and justify logistics and supplies. As buying Type 052D or 055 in next 3-4 years is almost impossible due to cost reasons and too many purchases by PN in last 2-3 years. Additional 2 Type 054 won't take more then $600 million. Less then the cost of a single Type 052D/055.

If we order additional 2 Type 054 in 2020-21 , we will get them by end of 2023. In case if we go for 052D/055, orders will be placed in 2024-25 atleast with expected delivered in 2028-30. Can we wait that long while IN is growing exponentially each year ? No.
 

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Sir with all due respect, policing the EEZ should be the duty of MSA and not PN. Patrolling with a 4000 ton heavy frigate versus doing the same job with max 1,000+ ton corvette or an OPV is more cost effective. The fishing trawlers or the factory ships are not armed, after all.

Type 54AP will be more suited to Fleet (Surface Group) air defense and long range AShM strikes.
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Every nation's navy takes part in stopping the theft of fisheries in their seas---and not just the coast guard---.

Indian navy frigates often harass pakistani fishermen and capture their boats.

More ships pak navy have---it by defaults helps secures the fishing in the seas they control.

A foreign trawler would not wait for a pak coast guard to arrive even after seeing a frigate on the horizin.
 

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What about the possible 6 destroyers acquisition in future .. any idea it will type 52D or type 55 or something else
Those are frigates bro not destroyers, which will be the Jinnah class.
There is no plan to procure destroyers, vast and very expensive ships which the navy can't accommodate yet.
Type 054 is an extremely potent naval fighting vessel.
Arguably the most groundbreaking purchase of any military hardware in 20 years....
 

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Arguably the most groundbreaking purchase of any military hardware in 20 years....

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Indeed---the first major step towards a real show of force by a small nation like pakistan.

4 type 054's are a force to be reckoned with in their general arena---.

Just their presence could save 100's of millions of dollars worth of fish in our seas and allow our fisherman to have a better harvest.8-)
 

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Is type 54 known for its ASW capability sir or it is more suited for PN as a point/Fleet air defense platform? Don't understand the correlation between the two in actions.
The actual outcome of lurking Indian subs in littoral waters of Pakistan would have been to revamp or increase ASW Air assets. These are more effective than a 29 knot warship and covers bigger area in lesser time.
With a good hull mounted sonar, a towed array, Yu-8, 6torpedo tubes, a modern combat management system, and a if they get a good ASW chopper then yes, it could be a good sub hunter, but as you said the more logical reaction to IN Subs is improving the AWS air arm (hence the LRMPA from Embraer).

I wish, instead of buying foreign ships, PN must start ordering 4 squadron of jf17 b3 and focus on jinnah class frigate
All things take time. By the time PN puts out 1 Jinnah, it will have 4 054A, 4 MILGEM and 2 Yarmook. It doesn't have enough experience in ship building and design to creat or even modify a ship then produce it in a time frame that is reasonable so it needs ti develop these while quickly acquiring new ships (hence the 054A and MILGEM projects)

Sir with all due respect, policing the EEZ should be the duty of MSA and not PN. Patrolling with a 4000 ton heavy frigate versus doing the same job with max 1,000+ ton corvette or an OPV is more cost effective. The fishing trawlers or the factory ships are not armed, after all.

Type 54AP will be more suited to Fleet (Surface Group) air defense and long range AShM strikes.
Exactly. They will be for military roles not policing fishing/shippikng lanes. That is what PMSA's 6 new cutters and PNs new Yarmooks are for. MILGEMs, f22Ps, and 054A will be patrolling for both Symmetric and Asymmetric threats.
 

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Hi,

Indeed---the first major step towards a real show of force by a small nation like pakistan.

4 type 054's are a force to be reckoned with in their general arena---.

Just their presence could save 100's of millions of dollars worth of fish in our seas and allow our fisherman to have a better harvest.8-)
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Enemy submarine sneaks in close to the deserted coast line---lands saboteurs---who stop a bus and extract navy personal and execute them.

More naval vessels would not have allowed that to happen---. Air assets can only play a very limited role---.

Air assets cannot linger around for a long time whereas naval vessels can.

A type 054 is a force multiplier for defense of the pakistani seas and the area around it---.

4 type 054's would be a massive force multiplier in the presence of the complimentary navy and coast guard vessels.

An aircraft would miss a sub but a ship in the area can stay on the hunt for a long long time---.

A large powerful navy projects the force of a nation---specially a nation with the geography of pakistan.
 

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Hi another foreseeable environment in future for more procurement can be related with CEPEC specially fully operational Gawadar port & then to take in & out cargo related duties will include more Naval role
beside that Indian/USA/ and to some extent even Australian are putting pressure toward Chinese naval ships it will be in the best interest of China to ward that pressure off from their back to some extent while strengthening the PN to roam around itself with more confidence building measures
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Looks like the first 2 are almost ready to come home to Pakistan
These two Ships will be a wonderful addition to Pakistan's Navy

Would look nice in picture 2 type 054 , and 2 Yarmouk ships in formation
 
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