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Ours are not equipped with any missile.

Yep. Its also very strange that PN didn't bothered to add this capability at the time when it was most needed. They already had inducted the platforms. These were added when there was no Azmat class FACs, no F-22P frigates, PN only had 3 type 21s with earlier block Harpoons. The MRTPs with minimal RCS armed with short range missiles could have been a good asset for coastal defense. Also, there were no JF-17s with Anti-ship missiles. The capability gap was huge by then
 

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The Pakistani Naval arm 'literally slept and hibernated' for 02 decades.

Lacked the thought process to narrow down the gap btw regional Navies and then Current state. Very Few Silver linnings were witnessed,


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I discretely remember someone calling it on this forum 'the most Innovative' among 3 military branches.:suicide2:
 
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Yep. Its also very strange that PN didn't bothered to add this capability at the time when it was most needed. They already had inducted the platforms. These were added when there was no Azmat class FACs, no F-22P frigates, PN only had 3 type 21s with earlier block Harpoons. The MRTPs with minimal RCS armed with short range missiles could have been a good asset for coastal defense. Also, there were no JF-17s with Anti-ship missiles. The capability gap was huge by then

FFBNW. If they need it later, it can be added.
 

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I discretely remember someone calling it on this forum 'the most Innovative' among 3 military branches.

There's absolutely NOTHING which PN does equates to innovation. Actually associating "innovation" with PN is perhaps the most absurd use of word innovation.

I will start with basics, lets first visit PN official website:


What's the impression you get ? What i get is its an official website of an organisation which is not even professional forget about being innovative. The IT department updates its homepage regularly but content inside is atleast 10 years old, spelling mistakes, grammar, design, layout its actually worst then a 5th grade student personal site.

Now all the "ToTs" done are speaking out loud that innovation and PN are two entirely opposite things. An organization which were given ToT for F-22P frigate was again needed ToT for much smaller 560 ton Azmat Class FACs. An innovative force would have designed something on their own, would have saved foreign exchange, come out with efficient solutions. But the thing is if the organization is corrupt you can never be innovative. (Proven cases of corruptions in Type21s, agosta subs ) . Also, PN paid twice the amounts for ToTs and end result was that it was unable to make even a single unit on its own whether its agosta sub or F-22P. Forget building on their own and using some innovations. They can't even upgrade on their own. Needed Turkish to do it for them. They even needed Turkish firm to do make Orama naval base features. Innovative ? huh

The PN deployment of Ships is again shows that its leadership doesn't really care to be prepared for worst case scenarios. Most of the times 90% fleet is seen stacked in Karachi. Even upto 4 ships stacked together. A single missile hit will guarantee to disable all 4 of these. Supersonic missile takes less then 3 mins from LOC to reach Karachi and it will take hours to undock & deploy these 4 ships which are stacked. Sailors using single path. Plus the first two ships cannot go until sailors of last ship are onboard. Ideally fleet should be in multiple naval bases and in each base the ships should be on separate docking berths. PN's doing opposite, stacking ships all together in a single base. Its like invitation. There aren't any CIWS / point defense sites visible in karachi port either. The ones only at ships but docked ships without sailers onboard won't defend automatically. PN leadership needs to understand this is not 70s or 80s. The enemy can see your docked ships through satellites and with exact coordinates it will take 2-3 mins to reach at you. We don't have a big navy or a vast coastline or multiple bases. We are in immediate proximity / well in-range of enemy cruise missiles range.

So let's forget about "innovation". Someone must be really high to label PN as innovative. If any service is professional among three is airforce. I see their bases, the aircrafts everything spaced out, within hardened aircraft hangars. I know a single strike won't take out multiple aircrafts. Then the fact they made use of Thunder program, the program is super successful. Nothing of this sort PN could replicate. I can only hope they improve themselves and maybe they do the Jinnah frigates program in a much better way.
 

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Yep. Its also very strange that PN didn't bothered to add this capability at the time when it was most needed. They already had inducted the platforms. These were added when there was no Azmat class FACs, no F-22P frigates, PN only had 3 type 21s with earlier block Harpoons. The MRTPs with minimal RCS armed with short range missiles could have been a good asset for coastal defense. Also, there were no JF-17s with Anti-ship missiles. The capability gap was huge by then
I think the issue was that PN and turkey were refused the ability the integrate the Harpoons on them by the US. China likely would not allow C-802A, though im not sure if that avenue was pursued. The only thing to do was wait for Atmaca, and now im not sure if its worth it. For the record, i think it still is worth integrating Atmaca or a smaller ranged AShM on these as their speed in the littoral regions will make them nightmares if put in numbers.
 

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Former Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Saeed Muhammad Khan has passed away in Islamabad. He served as Chief of the Naval Staff from 1991 to 1994 and played a pivotal role in professional development of Pakistan Navy and defence of the mother land.
Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Muhammad Amjad Khan Niazi expressed condolence on sad demise of former Naval Chief Adm Saeed Muhammed Khan. May Allah Almighty bless the departed soul and give strength to his family to bear the loss.
The funeral prayer of the late Admiral Saeed Muhammad Khan will be offered tomorrow, Monday, at 2:30 PM at the H-11 Cemetery.


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Pakistan Navy celebrates HANGOR DAY on 9th December to honor the unmatched courage and unwavering commitment of Pakistan Navy’s Submarine, PNS/M HANGOR (S-131), during the 1971 War. PNS/M HANGOR sunk Indian Navy Ship Khukari and crippled Indian Navy Ship Kirpan.

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The Steel Cutting Ceremony of the 5th Submarine, PNS/M TASNIM, will be held in Dec, 21 at KS&EW.
The submarine is named after Vice Admiral (R) Ahmad Tasnim, the daring Commanding Officer of submarine PNS HANGOR (S-131) that sank one Indian warship and crippled another in 1971.


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The Steel Cutting Ceremony of the 5th Submarine, PNS/M TASNIM, will be held in Dec, 21 at KS&EW.
The submarine is named after Vice Admiral (R) Ahmad Tasnim, the daring Commanding Officer of submarine PNS HANGOR (S-131) that sank one Indian warship and crippled another in 1971.


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any reason why did it say 2021??


The Steel cutting of 5th Submarine happened already last year in Dec 2021. So this year it could be Keel laying for 5th submarine OR perhaps steel cutting for 6th submarine.
 

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