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Friends Chinese Navy have decommissioned few of it's older Type 051 D guided missile Destroyer and they are in far better shape than what we got from USA Decommissioned Oliver Hazard Guided missile frigates

Our navy needs bigger ships for better long range vertical launched surface to air missile for over the horizon protection for our navy

Why can't we get atleast two of them or one and upgrade them to use atleast for next 20 years these can be easily modified to HQ 16 because those already have Russian S 300 on them in their vls and better Anti ship hypersonicmissiles can be used on them like YJ 21 for countering INS Vikrant im sure china will be more than happy to give them to us than scraping or we can get them very cheaply because china needs it's allies in region to back them in warzone if needed so they will try toarm us in what ever better way as they are giving us SLC 18 for indian satellite tracking radars



While I cannot understand the video language, the title suggests he is referring to two early destroyers (Type 051G) decommissioned in 2020. These basically have no real air defence capabilities to speak of, and little capabilities in general - not even a helicopter hangar. If you are referring to these ships, they certainly don't have the S-300 onboard. There's no capability-minded reasons for Pakistan to buy them, especially as metal fatigue will already be high given how long they have been around.

The only Chinese destroyers using the S-300FM are the two Type 051C ships, and these still have a fair deal of service life left, being commissioned in the early 2000s. They could well be sold to friendly countries before retiring from PLAN, however. There's no evidence they can use the YJ-21, and I don't believe they can. The modern PLAN destroyers that can use the YJ-21 have deeper VLS cells, compared to other PLAN and even western destroyers.
 

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While I cannot understand the video language, the title suggests he is referring to two early destroyers (Type 051G) decommissioned in 2020. These basically have no real air defence capabilities to speak of, and little capabilities in general - not even a helicopter hangar. If you are referring to these ships, they certainly don't have the S-300 onboard. There's no capability-minded reasons for Pakistan to buy them, especially as metal fatigue will already be high given how long they have been around.

The only Chinese destroyers using the S-300FM are the two Type 051C ships, and these still have a fair deal of service life left, being commissioned in the early 2000s. They could well be sold to friendly countries before retiring from PLAN, however. There's no evidence they can use the YJ-21, and I don't believe they can. The modern PLAN destroyers that can use the YJ-21 have deeper VLS cells, compared to other PLAN and even western destroyers.
Yes but 051 G is more upgraded than C and they can have helicopter hanger too and if Pak get they can integrate ha 17
 

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It's not exactly only PN that has berthed in this manner. Here's Royal Navy Corvettes seen together.

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is a war imminent? otherwise its fine, everyone does it, us/china/britian etc.

The brits do not have same level of threat as we got from immediate neighbor. China / US or even India has soo many naval bases and far off from their hostile cruise missile ranges. They can afford to do this. We simply cannot afford to expose our entire naval capability for single strike. In the times of supersonic cruise missiles, its just the matters of minutes or even seconds when you will got to know that enemy missiles are coming at your end. I know its peace times and everything is normal. But we always have to be prepared for worst case scenario. Problem with PN is that the entire fleet (atleast 90% of it ) is always stacked together at karachi shipyard. IMO, PN really needs to distribute its assets and add more Naval bases. The Orama is operational since many years but I have rarely seen any large ship over there.

When we stack ships together, not just one missile will disable all of them but in addition the deployment time increases so much as well. The 1st ship cannot undock until crew of others have not deployed on their respective ships. If 4 ships are on their own docking berths then the process will be parallel. I think the kind of threat environment we live, the PN needs to pay attention to the way it docks its ships. Even in the peace times, the PAF keeps every of its aircraft in its different hangors and separate from each other. Its same concept.

The Karachi naval base is literally 3 minutes flight distance from brahmos missiles. This is the right way to do it in our threat environment (even in peace times). Faster deployment time & saves annihilation of entire fleet in single strike.

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While I cannot understand the video language, the title suggests he is referring to two early destroyers (Type 051G) decommissioned in 2020. These basically have no real air defence capabilities to speak of, and little capabilities in general - not even a helicopter hangar. If you are referring to these ships, they certainly don't have the S-300 onboard. There's no capability-minded reasons for Pakistan to buy them, especially as metal fatigue will already be high given how long they have been around.

The only Chinese destroyers using the S-300FM are the two Type 051C ships, and these still have a fair deal of service life left, being commissioned in the early 2000s. They could well be sold to friendly countries before retiring from PLAN, however. There's no evidence they can use the YJ-21, and I don't believe they can. The modern PLAN destroyers that can use the YJ-21 have deeper VLS cells, compared to other PLAN and even western destroyers.

You have a very good Youtube Channel. Keep up ! :)
 

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