• Sunday, December 8, 2019

Pakistan Navy - Navigation Warnings for Missile Tests.

Discussion in 'Pakistan Strategic Forces' started by Arsalan, Apr 6, 2017.

  1. Arsalan

    Arsalan MODERATOR

    Messages:
    17,617
    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2008
    Ratings:
    +56 / 21,433 / -1
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    Pakistan
    Considering how many of our members keep tabs on the NAVAREA warnings issued by Pakistan Navy and therefore we are able to guess and then discuss the imminent missile tests, i think it is appropriate to make this one thread to share all such updates.

    Rather than opening multiple threads for each warning we can keep this updated and discuss all such activities here. I think it will be best if this can be made sticky so everyone keeping an eye on such activities can share the details with other members over here.

    To briefly explain the NAVAREA warning system, the world is divided into 21 broadcast areas, called NAVAREAs which transmit maritime safety information such as navigational warnings and weather forecasts. The responsibility of coordination of NAVAREA IX, which includes part of the North Arabian Sea, the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea, was assigned to Pakistan in 1976.

    Hydrographer of the Pakistan Navy (HPN), is the area Coordinator. All information relating to navigational safety is received in HPN office at Karachi from 16 National Coordinators of Area IX and from other sources. This information is analyzed, processed and promulgated in the form of navigational warnings to mariners at sea. Hydrographic Department of PN also issues Weekly and Annual summary of Pakistan Notices to mariners in print form for the benefit of the mariners.

    Here is on such warning issues yesterday on April 05, 2017:
    SECURITY

    031500 UTC APR 2017

    NAVAREA IX (.) 090/17 (.)PAKISTAN (.) CHARTS PAK 33, 57 (INT 751),
    58 (INT 7019), BA 38, 707 AND 4705 (.)

    2. NAVAL SHIPS WILL CARRY OUT MISSILE AND GUNNERY FIRING WITH LIVE
    AMMUNITION ON 06 AND 07 APR 2017 FROM 0500 TO 0930 UTC IN AREA BOUNDED
    BY FOLLOWING COORDINATES:

    (A) 24-00N 063-30E
    (B) 24-00N 065-30E
    (C) 25-30N 063-30E
    (D) 25-30N 065-30E

    SAFETY HEIGHT: 22500 FEET

    3. SHIPS AND CRAFT ARE TO KEEP WELL CLEAR AND NOT TO ENTER ASSIGNED
    DANGER AREA ON ABOVE SPECIFIED DATES AND TIME (.)

    4. CANCEL THIS MESSAGE ON 071030 UTC APR 2017.


    On map it looks like this:
    NavWar.jpg
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2017
    • Thanks Thanks x 10
  2. Arsalan

    Arsalan MODERATOR

    Messages:
    17,617
    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2008
    Ratings:
    +56 / 21,433 / -1
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    Pakistan
    I think it will be appropriate to make this stick as all such info is scattered all over the forum and if we can use one thread to mention all such activities the data will be better preserved in more compiled form.

    For the above, i think it is another test fire of Zarb (C602) missile looking at the coordinates. The range covered by these (diagonally) is around 265km to 280Km so it most likely will be a C602 test.
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2017
    • Thanks Thanks x 8
  3. Arsalan

    Arsalan MODERATOR

    Messages:
    17,617
    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2008
    Ratings:
    +56 / 21,433 / -1
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    Pakistan
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  4. usamafarooqui2

    usamafarooqui2 FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    138
    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2015
    Ratings:
    +0 / 157 / -0
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    China
    Probably it will be zarb(C602) but it can be land based ship launch babur
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  5. fatman17

    fatman17 PDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT

    Messages:
    27,162
    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2007
    Ratings:
    +52 / 29,914 / -0
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    Pakistan
    It has mentioned 2 ships will carry out missile and gunnery test. so I'm just speculating here. One ship will fire a training round missile and the 2nd ship will fire it's CWIS guns to shoot down the missile.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 6
  6. Sully3

    Sully3 SENIOR MEMBER

    Messages:
    4,349
    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2015
    Ratings:
    +2 / 6,567 / -9
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    Location:
    Pakistan
    its the brahmos killer
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 5
  7. NakedLunch

    NakedLunch BANNED

    Messages:
    2,300
    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2016
    Ratings:
    +0 / 2,910 / -0
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Pakistan has been flexing it's muscles lately. Considering the worldwide attention we are getting it is no surprise. A new-found confidence after years of quagmire. Doesnt matter what is being tested, we are sending messages. The subtext is more important.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  8. DJ_Viper

    DJ_Viper FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    1,154
    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2008
    Ratings:
    +4 / 1,463 / -2
    Country:
    United States
    Location:
    United States
    It doesn't work like that. Are you assuming the CIWS ship will be a "target"? No one live fires at their own ship. There are much simpler ways to test the CIWS on the bank of a river or right by a beech. The CIWS doesn't need water to work.

    This will probably be ship to surface missile tests and testing of some ASM's.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  9. fatman17

    fatman17 PDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT

    Messages:
    27,162
    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2007
    Ratings:
    +52 / 29,914 / -0
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    Pakistan
    Read my post again for better understanding.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  10. DJ_Viper

    DJ_Viper FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    1,154
    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2008
    Ratings:
    +4 / 1,463 / -2
    Country:
    United States
    Location:
    United States
    I did read your post. I corrected you as even speculating wasn't justified there. Nothing wrong in adding some explanation there is it?
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 3
  11. fatman17

    fatman17 PDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT

    Messages:
    27,162
    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2007
    Ratings:
    +52 / 29,914 / -0
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    Pakistan
    No worries mate.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  12. The SC

    The SC ELITE MEMBER

    Messages:
    18,129
    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2012
    Ratings:
    +18 / 18,604 / -0
    Country:
    Canada
    Location:
    Canada
    SAFETY HEIGHT: 22500 FEET
    might be some ship air-defence !? both Missiles and CIWS will be tested..
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  13. DJ_Viper

    DJ_Viper FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    1,154
    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2008
    Ratings:
    +4 / 1,463 / -2
    Country:
    United States
    Location:
    United States
    Sir, Civil air traffic usually flies around 30K plus feet around the ocean for various reasons, including a safer, less crowded route and air-pressure, etc. The 22K height is just a safety ceiling. Usually, they avoid air traffic from the entire area if AAM's would be used as a safety measure, as you can't even take a change by test firing an AAM with a Civilian airliner close by. But who knows, you may be right. I am just explaining the normal protocol for such testing. Pakistan's case may be different.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  14. The SC

    The SC ELITE MEMBER

    Messages:
    18,129
    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2012
    Ratings:
    +18 / 18,604 / -0
    Country:
    Canada
    Location:
    Canada
    The last time the safety height was less than 1500 meters or feet..So that is why this height rang a bell,, and like you said, it might be true or false.. but based on analysis a BMD test will come soon, maybe not this time but it will be done as it is a need of the hour for various reasons,, but like you said, not from a ship though, it will be land based.. and this one might be against cruise missiles or antiship missiles, like Brahmos flying high at first and then very low in the terminal phase, hence the use of both missiles and canons..
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2017
  15. DJ_Viper

    DJ_Viper FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    1,154
    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2008
    Ratings:
    +4 / 1,463 / -2
    Country:
    United States
    Location:
    United States
    Understood. Just some explanation, whenever a NAVAREA warning is issued with a ceiling of 1500 meters, its for a Cruise missile trajectory as the missile's homing isn't looking for an airborne target, its rather a fixed land target.

    But whenever you test an AAM in international airspace or sea-route, you empty out the area from air-traffic. Why? Because the AAM's are looking for a plane and you don't want anything else near them just out of abundance of caution. With a missile that's not an AAM but has a depressed trajectory, you might see a higher ceiling of 20k or 22K, etc. But we'll all see what comes out of these tests soon. These posts are just outlining the protocols.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2