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To simplify....if any people don't have this concept of Islamic brotherhood as instructed and taught by the Prophet Muhammed saw.....then unfortunately they are or have drifted away from the teachings of Islam.

Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "A Muslim is a brother of another Muslim, so he should not oppress him, nor should he hand him over to an oppressor. Whoever fulfilled the needs of his brother, Allah will fulfill his needs; whoever brought his (Muslim) brother out of a discomfort, Allah will bring him out of the discomforts of the Day of Resurrection, and whoever screened a Muslim, Allah will screen him on the Day of Resurrection . "

Apart from Pakistanis, the VAST majority of non-Pakistani Muslims nowadays have NO CONCEPT of Islamic brotherhood. It is dead and buried as is the so called "Ummah". The tooth fairy is more real than the Ummah or Muslim brotherhood.

PS Some 20 years ago when I was in my early 20s I used to be just like you. I believed and said the same things you are saying to me now. As I got older and observed non-Pakistani Muslims, the hypocrisy of the Ummah advocates, the WOT and the geopolitics of Pakistan it made me see the reality. There is NO Ummah, NO Muslim brotherhood and there never will be. I've now reached a point where I ONLY care about Pakistanis and Kashmiris. I could not care less if the Jews and the West wipe out the Palestinians and Arabs. They mean NOTHING to me.
 

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Bro, they don't care. The reality is that Pakistan and Pakistanis mean NOTHING to the Jews, Palestinians and Arabs. Truth is, we ain't s**t to them.
Fvck these sellout libtards. They can suck a Zionist **** for all we care. It is written in stone. Pakistan won’t accept the land of Weinstein and Epstein. Not because we like Arabs, but because this is our principle. First let Israel convince India its greatest ally to vote in favor of Israel. At UN votes India doesn’t even vote for Israel, but Palestine. Here these libtard beggars are pleading Pakistan to work with Yahuda.
 

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Apart from Pakistanis, the VAST majority of non-Pakistani Muslims nowadays have NO CONCEPT of Islamic brotherhood. It is dead and buried as is the so called "Ummah". The tooth fairy is more real than the Ummah or Muslim brotherhood.

PS Some 20 years ago when I was in my early 20s I used to be just like you. I believed and said the same things you are saying to me now. As I got older and observed non-Pakistani Muslims, the hypocrisy of the Ummah advocates, the WOT and the geopolitics of Pakistan it made me see the reality. There is NO Ummah, NO Muslim brotherhood and there never will be. I've now reached a point where I ONLY care about Pakistanis and Kashmiris. I could not care less if the Jews and the West wipe out the Palestinians and Arabs. They mean NOTHING to me.
Point taken in the frustrations with alot of muslims across the world. I too believe this 20 years ago and still do now. Just because some people are moving away from this Islamic concept of brotherhood does not mean it should not be encouraged. My recent journey on ummrah showed me numerous cases of brotherhood from people of all nationalities....hence the brotherhood is alive and kicking.

Muslims need to adhere to its Islamic teachings, if some muslims are not practicing this - then this weakness needs to be highlighted (as it indicates that they have rancor and hatred in their hearts).

Muslims need to be constantly reminded of the teachings of Islam and encouraged to follow to the best of their abilities. This lack of unity is the cause of their humiliation across today's world.

Anyhow your points are noted....you believe what you want.....I believe this unity will increase in due course...under the banner of Islamic brotherhood

Please note, we are in the era of fitna/tribulations as stated by the Propher saw. The forces of Imam Mahdi will demonstrate this brotherhood in due course...may Allah swt makes us amongst this group- Ameen
 

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Point taken in the frustrations with alot of muslims across the world. I too believe this 20 years ago and still do now. Just because some people are moving away from this Islamic concept of brotherhood does not mean it should not be encouraged. My recent journey on ummrah showed me numerous cases of brotherhood from people of all nationalities....hence the brotherhood is alive and kicking.

Muslims need to adhere to its Islamic teachings, if some muslims are not practicing this - then this weakness needs to be highlighted (as it indicates that they have rancor and hatred in their hearts).

Muslims need to be constantly reminded of the teachings of Islam and encouraged to follow to the best of their abilities. This lack of unity is the cause of their humiliation across today's world.

Anyhow your points are noted....you believe what you want.....I believe this unity will increase in due course...under the banner of Islamic brotherhood

Please note, we are in the era of fitna/tribulations as stated by the Propher saw. The forces of Imam Mahdi will demonstrate this brotherhood in due course...may Allah swt makes us amongst this group- Ameen

The above will ONLY become valid when ALL Muslims believe in Islamic brotherhood not just Pakistanis. But yes I agree, ALL Muslims are moving away from the concept of Islamic brotherhood and of the "Ummah".
 

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Israel was built and is expanding upon the blood of native Palestinians, no doubt about that. But America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand were also built upon genocide and enslavement of natives. Why do we have working relationship with all of these genocidal states except one?
They (zionists) created the state of israel, in an already inhabited land (Palestinians), based on the argument that "God gave us this (Holy Land) land." They based their claim on God's covenant with Abraham, his (Abraham's) reward for all the sacrifices he made to spread the word of God, the Holy Land. However, the zionist claim to that God gave them the Holy Land, since they are the children of Israeel, is a false one. Since God's covenant with Abraham, extended to Abraham's progeny, on the condition that they did not commit acts of wickedness. And as the record shows, Jews committed acts of wickedness and open defiance of God's command, when they murdered Prophets of God, John the Baptist and Zachariah. When they vilified the blessed and chaste, Virgin Mary. When they shamelessly practiced Riba. And finally, when they orchestrated the attempted crucifixion of Jesus the son of blessed Virgin Mary, the Promised Messiah to the Jews.

So, any Muslim, who possesses some semblance of Imaan, would deduce that the creation of the state of israel is an open defiance to God. Specifically, when in the Holy Qur'an, God has declared their (Jews) crime and had banished them (Jews) from the Holy Land. That defacto annihilates any claim to legitimacy israel makes to the world. Zionism is the evil, that has worked in the shadows to gain a full control of the Western World (france, britain, america).

By recognizing the illegal and illegitimate state of israel, govts of Muslim countries such as Arabia, Turkey, Emirates, Egypt, Jordan and etc, have by default, afflicted their people with kufr. Govts of such Muslim countries have betrayed Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah and will face a horrific punishment unless the Muslims of those countries deposed such pathetic governments and revoke the recognition status of the illegal state of israel
 

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Pakistan Must Engage With Israel to Save Pakistani Lives

What has Pakistan achieved from its perpetual boycott of Israel? What has it achieved for the Palestinians? Doesn’t logic demand a reassessment, not least when Israel can help save our economy and aid our survival?

Sumeera Asghar Roy, Hassan F. Virk

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A man waits for transportation next to a roadside stall displaying national flags in Rawalpindi on August 4, 2020, ahead of Pakistan's 74th anniversary of independence from British rule

Pakistan’s foreign policy has been incoherent and inconsistent since its inception. It has suffered from a chasm between policy and strategy, xenophobic tendencies, domestic politics interfering negatively with the foreign policy process, and vice versa – including the unsettling influence of the military on civilian politics and the outsize impact of religious groups.

Policy-makers, rather than focusing on the policy process and the outcomes, serially succumb to socio-religious pressures, intensifying policy volatility, and that volatility, read as vulnerability, opens Pakistan up to manipulation by stronger world powers.

The result is that on the issues that Pakistan flags as central to its foreign policy principles – the Kashmir issue and the rights of Palestinians – Islamabad’s achievements have been barely discernible.

While Pakistan ventured into the marshlands of jihad – a tryst with international terrorism which began in the 1980s and brought home a perpetual religious radicalization, sectarianism and Kalashnikov culture that continues to this day – India was laying the ground for diplomatic ties with Israel, a process which sped up after the disintegration of the Soviet Union.

Around the same time, unrest began in Kashmir, and Pakistan became involved with a new aspect of the on/off conflict with India. Militants were strategically rerouted to Kashmir to keep India at bay.


A protester sprinkles petrol to burn representations of Israeli and US flags during al-Quds Day in Peshawar, Pakistan, May 22, 2020. Banner reads 'America and Israel are terrorists.'

In the 2000s, the second Palestinian intifada and a surge of terrorism in Pakistan coincided. Pakistan was pre-occupied; its engagement with the Israel-Palestine conflict was muted.

Today, India and Israel have celebrated more than a quarter-century of official ties. Pakistan, which focused its domestic energies and diplomatic capital in fighting for the right to Palestinian and Kashmiri self-determination, won nothing. The state of Jammu and Kashmir has been annexed by India. Israel is on the verge of annexing the West Bank.

All this begs the question: What has Pakistan achieved from its policy of a perpetual boycott of Israel? Doesn’t logic demand a reassessment, if there's nothing to show after all these decades of resentment and negligence? What about venturing out of a stagnant policy pool and into fresher waters?

The choice of metaphor is not accidental. It is in the field of water, more specifically, water scarcity, that Pakistan’s obstinacy towards relations with Israel seem the most irresponsible. It would even be possible to say it threatens Pakistanis’ lives.


A woman pushes a handcart loaded with drinking water containers on a street in Rawalpindi on July 22, 2020.

Currently, Pakistan is facing an acute water shortage, and it may become a water stress country in 2025, when (with an annual per capita availability of less than 1,000 cubic meters) fresh water becomes critically scarce. The International Monetary Fund ranks Pakistan as third among countries facing an acute water shortage. According to the World Economic Forum report, the biggest threat Pakistan faces, along with much of South Asia, is the water crisis.

Often unaware about the rate that groundwater is being depleted, and by what that will means for their livelihoods, Pakistanis have so far shown little concern about how they’re utilizing water.

The Pakistan Council of Research in Water Resources has also warned about the gravity of the situation, reporting that Pakistan first touched the water stress line in 1990, crossed the water scarcity line in 2005, and is at the risk of a 30 million acre feet shortage in the years to come. Experts calculate that Pakistan will be the most water-stressed country in the region by 2040.


Laborers pack prized mangoes into boxes at a farm in Multan, Pakistan, as dwindling harvests and the the coronavirus crisis mean a disastrous season. June 22, 2020.

The implications for Pakistan’s economy when there is not enough water are dire for its 212 million people, and insufficiently recognized within the country. Nearly 20 percent of GDP is dependent on agriculture. Around 40 percent of the entire labor force is engaged in agriculture, including a full 67 percent of all working women.

But Pakistan’s agriculture sector is infamously inefficient in regards to water use: 90 percent of the country’s water sources are directed towards farming, but a quarter of that water is lost through leaks and other irrigation failures.

So how is water scarcity and Pakistan's foreign policy towards Israel connected?

One of the key factors that have saved Israel, a country located in the relatively arid Middle East, from water scarcity and stress has been its development and adoption of technology in agriculture, based on the rigorous utilization of every drop of available water.


An agricultural development project run by Israel’s biggest irrigation technology companies, Netafim, in India. 2016.

Those advances range from national projects like desalination (converting seawater into drinking water), to state-assisted industries like agritech, to private sector enterprises specializing in drip irrigation, sprinkler irrigation system, recycling graywater and advanced fertilization mechanisms and machinery.

Israel has introduced bio-pesticides, bio-fertilizers, and AI in agriculture, including robots and sensors – to the extent that plants may soon be able to "talk" to humans to convey their requirements. Israel currently recycles 86 percent of its water, by far the highest rate in the world. Israel now manages to not only fulfil its own water demand but also exports its expertise to more than 150 countries, including some in the Arab world – except Palestine, which suffers from severe shortages.

Had Pakistan been able to access this panoply of technologies and best practice, agriculture could have increased its share of Pakistan’s GDP from 26 to 36-40 percent – simply by increased production and yield.

If Pakistan could swallow using Israeli weapons during the 1980s Operation Cyclone, the CIA program arming the mujahideen against the Soviets in Afghanistan, why can't it use Israeli technology for constructive purposes? Pakistan urgently needs assistance from agricultural scientists and experts to overhaul its existing outdated agricultural and water management systems, before it’s too late.


A Pakistani farmer sorts the wheat during the harvest in Muzaffargarh in Punjab province, Pakistan, Monday, Nov. 1, 2010.

But is it really feasible to divorce politics from development aid and cooperation?

Israel is almost self-sufficient in terms of agricultural products. Even with very little territory, it has always been a net exporter to countries with enormous areas under cultivation, such as India. Most of its agricultural machinery is produced domestically and not imported from China.

Being based in Beijing, I've observed that in all the major universities and research institutes, there are Chinese-Israeli Cooperation Centers of Excellence in Biotechnology, agricultural development and innovation. China is Israel's third-largest trading partner globally and its largest trading partner in Asia. And China is one of the few countries in the world to have concurrently maintained warm relations with Israel, Palestine, and the Muslim world at large.

As Pakistan lags behind in agricultural and scientific advancements, particularly in water and irrigation, it is high time for both countries to extend an olive branch to each other. As a country, we ses ourselves in a permanent competition with India – but India is already laps ahead in development cooperation with Israel. Pakistan has a lot of catching up to do.

Pakistan could also learn from Israel how to encourage civil society’s enthusiasm and respect for political and scientific realities. Israel celebrates its scientists and Nobel laureates. We call ours “foreign-funded agents.” Exactly this kind of conspiratorial disrespect led to the exile of Dr. Abdus Salam, the first and only Pakistani scientist to win the Nobel Prize.


Pakistani flood survivors wait their turn for food distribution by The Al-furqane Foundation Trust at a camp in Nowshera on August 16, 2010.

China, our all-weather friend, invests in extensive agricultural research joint-ventures on with India. In Pakistan, Beijing’s priorities are infrastructure projects and luxury resorts in Pakistan. Is that difference sdue to radically different domestic priorities in India and Pakistan, or because a superpower invests according to the worth of its target states are?

Until now, Pakistan has failed to be anything more than a 'frontline ally in the war against terror' or a 'massive construction site': it simply has not insisted on a focus on scientific and agricultural development. But there must be a better way.

Pakistan's exclusionary foreign policy towards Israel is based on its wrongdoings against Palestinian Muslims. But if that's the real reason, then why hasn't Pakistan boycotted America for its wrongdoings against the Muslim populations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, arming Israel against Hezbollah and PLO; why has it not boycotted India over wrongdoings in Gujarat and Kashmir?

If Egypt and Jordan, neighboring Muslim-majority states who’ve been directly affected countries by the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, can make politico-economic deals with Israel for the good of their peoples, why can't Pakistan, which is far removed from the conflict?

Pakistan could do much more for the Palestinians if it does first what it needs to do for Pakistanis.

Sumeera Asghar Roy is a PhD candidate at the China Agricultural University in Beijing. She holds a master's degree in Horticulture from the University of Agriculture, Faisalabad, Pakistan. She has represented Pakistan at many global events relating to agriculture, and her work has been published in The Nation, Policy Forum, Pakistan Today and other outlets

Hassan F. Virk is a Lecturer of Politics and Development Studies at the School of Integrated Social Sciences and Research Associate at the Center for Security, Strategy, and Policy Research, University of Lahore

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/...with-israel-to-save-pakistani-lives-1.9058526

What have the countries that do have diplomatic relations with Israel achieved for the Palestinians? Including the neighbouring Arab countries of Jordan and Egypt? Are any of these countries able to stop Israel from illegally annexing the West Bank or are the able to stop the construction of settlers colonies which are also mandated as illegal by the UN?.
 

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First let Israel convince India its greatest ally to vote in favor of Israel. At UN votes India doesn’t even vote for Israel, but Palestine.
But Indians vote for Palestine in cosmetic UNGA votes where the VAST MAJORITY of the world countries vote in favor of Palestine. A largely inconsequential vote and is about the lose it's even 'symbolic' value. It is true that once--before 1990 or so--Indians were supportive of Palestine but that was 30 years ago. Much water has flown under the bridges of River Ravi since then.

In the last 30 years--India is a typical devious player. Clever by half, I might add. Hyping up on the past--just enough to dupe the gullible Arab leaders about Palestine but when the rubber hit the road--as recently asked by the Indian Foreign Ministry spokesman about the 'Annexation' plan of West Bank, the Indian guy said something like: India always believed that the two parties need to resolve their disputes blah blah! That position was in such a contrast from most of the world govt positions which had condemned Israel--most govts of the world except the USA, Israel and a few paid for countries. And yet India supported Israel!!

As to the Palestinians supporting Pakistan--oh PLEASE!! They can't often even travel 20 miles without facing roadblocks. Their fate is worse than the Native Americans of USA. Only if they really knew how treacherous India is.
 

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What have the countries that do have diplomatic relations with Israel achieved for the Palestinians? Including the neighbouring Arab countries of Jordan and Egypt? Are any of these countries able to stop Israel from illegally annexing the West Bank or are the able to stop the construction of settlers colonies which are also mandated as illegal by the UN?.
Only corrupted Muslim countries have diplomatic relationship with Israel. Some of them are real losers.
 

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Apart from Pakistanis, the VAST majority of non-Pakistani Muslims nowadays have NO CONCEPT of Islamic brotherhood. It is dead and buried as is the so called "Ummah". The tooth fairy is more real than the Ummah or Muslim brotherhood.

PS Some 20 years ago when I was in my early 20s I used to be just like you. I believed and said the same things you are saying to me now. As I got older and observed non-Pakistani Muslims, the hypocrisy of the Ummah advocates, the WOT and the geopolitics of Pakistan it made me see the reality. There is NO Ummah, NO Muslim brotherhood and there never will be. I've now reached a point where I ONLY care about Pakistanis and Kashmiris. I could not care less if the Jews and the West wipe out the Palestinians and Arabs. They mean NOTHING to me.
Honestly brother, I can't blame you. Muslim Ummah has failed both Palestinians and Kashmir. The only ones worth mentioning are Turkey and Mahathir.
 

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because these so-called liberal writers shake the ideology of Muslims especially the fragile young minds born in the internet age
Tou bhai agar itne fragile minds hain kei aek writer unka dimag kharab kardei tou its their parents fault. Stop censorship of everything and advocating killing of people.
 

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Lakh di lanat on your birthday
Nothing to counter me with anything so you are back with personal attacks? What type of upbringing did you have? Stop bringing shame to your parents. You support killing of people if they oppose your opinion like its a joke. Go to North Korea if you wanna live like that.
 
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