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Pakistan must change its tactics to kill non state actors with non state fighters

Pakistan approach to take BLA TTP with direct war or by infiltrate inside them and kill them

  • Direct war With TTP and BLA

    Votes: 33 54.1%
  • Hire mercenaries to get the job done

    Votes: 28 45.9%

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RescueRanger

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What is the point? A country of 220 million people who cannot even elect their own leaders, are subjected foreign regime change and the state's military leadership are hand in glove with this foreign power (America) who inacted this regime change.

People talk of Pakistan having a strong military, but what use is our military when Pakistanis live under a foreign sponsored government and our military leader runs with his tail between his legs to Washington DC while our Prime Minister Imran Khan, a man with courage, integrity and a backbone is headed for a state visit to Moscow.

People are in an utter state of Jihalat if they seem to think life goes on and Pakistan has another decade or two of corrupt, spineless, shameless traitors as rulers. People talk of terrorism in the country, yet the same are blind as bats and ignorant as $wine$ to not recognize that the same foreign power that inacted regime change in Pakistan, are the proponents of terrorism around the world, be it Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Georgia or Ukraine.

When people just sit around and look on, as their country's government is chosen by KAFIRs. Then be warned, such a nation will see consequences of their cowardice, realized by their own destruction.

It is Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah who created Pakistan, it is Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah that is SOVEREIGN (not shebaz, zardari, nawaz, bilawal, fazlu). So when you as a 220 million strong nation sits around like cowards while you are ruled by depraved traitors that answer to Washington DC. Then know this Allah Subhnahu Wata'aalah can also destroy Pakistan.

The pathetic state of certain imbeciles is such that they plunder, lie, thieve, murder, betray and yet go to Makkah for Umrah. The pathetic state of ignorance of some Pakistanis, who support such rascals, traitors .... know this, when PUNISHMENT comes down upon you, all who are innocent and perish, their blood will be on your hands. The Malaikah will carry out Allah's commands, for when the MOST MERCIFUL stops showing HIS mercy ... there will be no escape for anyone of you.

So you want to fight terrorism, start first with demolishing the traitors the West sponsors. Start destroying the corrupt judges, lawyers, bureaucrats, senators who are traitors to Islam. Challenge and WARN the military leadership of WHOM they OWE their OATH to ALLAH, not Washington DC. This is the only way forward and guess what .... they the rascal traitors are a few and you as a nation are a majority. But numerical superiority if you do not back it with IMAAN.

FIGHT THE REAL TERRORISTS WHO SIT IN ISLAMABAD, BETRAY PAKISTAN, BETRAY ISLAM AND ARE LOYAL TO KAFIRS.
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Hiring a mercenary force can be expensive. They will not be effective if there is no established frontline like in the case of a conventional war
 

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Kabhi khushbu laga ke jao na master race areas where women and children toil away in the fields and blue eyed aryan sit in the shade and do hukkah.

jao na zara enlightened moderation leke when animal instincts overpower human instincts and where ritual lynching of women take place as some sort.

these people have to break their own tribal imposed shakles. jo pathar eenth uthao uske nechay to quota shumar milenge, konsi marginalisation hai? karachi ka domicile hota to ye sab phatt chuke hote ab tak
 

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Food for thought from me.

1. Fascism is NOT the way forward but EXPOSING TACTIC and EDUCATION.

The fundamental problem is brainwashing of people to hate other people for having different perspectives. This problem extends to hating entire countries in fact. -----[1]

For example, the so-called Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) is of the view that China is exploiting natural resources of Balochistan for its gains and depriving Balochi people in the process. This perception does not helps.


Efforts should be made to identify those individuals who brainwash Balochi youth on such lines and a SYSTEM should be adopted to deal with them. The SYSTEM should involve following steps:

- - - - LOOP - - - -

1st step = EDUCATE individuals.

Pakistan Army should create SPECIAL EDUCATION CAMPS in Balochistan and use them to spread awareness about CPEC, socio-economic challenges of the region, and to cultivate sense of goodwill between Pakistani armed forces and Balochi youth in the province. Make it compulsory for Balochi youth to attend these EDUCATION CAMPS for a period of time.

If this fails then;

2nd Step = adopt LEGAL route to penalize individuals and/or put them behind bars for a long time. Broadcast these legal proceedings in courts to expose these individuals to the greater Public (i.e., Exposing Tactic).

If this step fails then;

3rd step = Eliminate individuals who cannot be reformed and are hellbent on separatism.

Do NOT resort to 3rd step on the fly. This approach fuels hatred and calls for revenge.

- - - - LOOP - - - -

For the sake of argument, let us call this "Balochistan Reformation LOOP SYSTEM." The loop must continue for indefinite period.

It would be helpful to COACH Local Politicians on these lines first and foremost. Appropriate political framework must be in place for the SYSTEM to work.

On the flip side:

- GOP (in concert with Pakistan Army) should make sure that CPEC will meet its socio-economic objectives in Balochistan and elsewhere.

2. The (Pakistan Army - Academia) Collaboration Scheme to identify and address causes of terrorism.

While Pakistan Army (and ISI) have their methods to conduct COIN operations, Pakistan Army can request Pakistani Academics to get to the bottom of causes of terrorism in our region and provide meaningful perspectives in relation. Academic research can be used to inform ongoing COIN strategy and devise a NATIONAL PLAN to address causes of terrorism in our region.

Academic Research can very instructive. -----[2]

3. Coherent narrative for Pakistan's role and legacy in connection to US-led War On Terror in view of 9/11.

Pakistan does NOT have a coherent narrative about Pakistan's decision to join US-led War On Terror in view of 9/11 as noted by General Tariq Khan and myself.

The narrative should have been this: dismantle Al-Qaeda Network in the region. Pakistan should respect efforts of then COAS Pervez Musharraf in this regard. Following book provides excellent information in relation:


Pakistani politicians do NOT pay heed to this theme unfortunately. Even Imran Khan (former Prime Minister) is a CRITIC of Musharraf in this regard - this is NOT helpful. By criticizing Musharraf's decision in this regard, Pakistani politicians fuel DISCONNECT between Pakistan Army and the Public in regards to steps taken to address one of the greatest sources of terrorism in the world - a move that was in the best interests of Pakistan. Pakistan Army have considerable history of fighting and/or nabbing Al-Qaeda terrorists and their affiliates through the years as noted in the memoir of Musharraf but these efforts do not receive much-needed respect and recognition in Pakistani politics and discourses. This is SHAMEFUL.

- Coherent narrative helps address misconceptions and mitigate counterproductive propaganda effects.

Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) was founded in Waziristan by Baitullah Mehsud in 2007 due to following reason:

Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) is an umbrella organization of various religious militant groups located along the Pak-Afghan border area with a strong presence in the former tribal areas of Pakistan. It was founded in 2007 in North Waziristan of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, Pakistan, under the leadership of Baitullah Mehsud, in response to Pakistan’s military operation against Al-Qaeda (AQ) militants in tribal areas. It draws its ideological guidance from AQ and maintains ties with Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and AQ, sharing money, explosives, and bomb squad personnel. John Brennan, President Obama’s chief counterterrorism adviser, said: “It’s a group that is closely allied with al-Qaeda. They train together, they plan together, they plot together. They are almost indistinguishable.”


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TTP shifted its base of operations to Afghanistan in the face of Operation Zarb-e-Azb (2014 - 2016). Mufti Nur Wali Mehsud have managed to reorganize TTP in Afghanistan and revisit its strategy and propaganda efforts since 2018.



TTP aims to regain control of Waziristan in Pakistan.

4. How to defeat TTP in Afghanistan? Take cues from "Operation Inherent Resolve."

Afghan Taliban have courted both Al-Qaeda Network and TTP respectively.

Afghan Taliban did NOT stop TTP from attacking Pakistani security forces and abandon its pursuit of Waziristan. IF this trend continues then Pakistan will have to defeat TTP in Afghanistan.

Pakistan tested the waters not long ago:


Afghan Taliban oppose strikes inside Afghanistan. :rolleyes:

Their sovereignty concerns are understandable but what to do about Afghanistan being a cesspool of terrorism? Besides TTP, there is danger of the resurgence of ISKP and Al-Qaeda Network in Afghanistan. There are reports of emergence of independent pockets of resistance to Afghan Taliban as well. I am NOT sure about how Afghanistan can be developed and normalized under these circumstances or anytime soon.

4.1. Fencing of Durand Line is one of the most sensible decisions Pakistan have made in regards to Afghanistan. If there are gaps left in some areas, these should be plugged ASAP. If fencing is not possible in some areas then UAVs should be deployed to patrol and monitor these gaps on regular basis.

4.3. Pakistan must PROFILE every Afghan who lives in Pakistan and every Afghan who visits Pakistan for trade and other activities. Create and maintain a separate database of Afghans in our country.


IF Afghan Taliban cannot control Afghanistan (and TTP in particular) then Pakistan will have to make a decision at some point. The last resort path and option (PLAN B).

4.3. American MODEL of COIN for defeating ISIL in the Middle East (i.e., Operation Inherent Resolve), is instructive in regards to defeating TTP in Afghanistan. This entail use of Pakisan Air Force (PAF) in consert with "suitable forces" on the ground to identify, chase and help engage TTP cadre across Afghanistan.

ISI can be directed to find and recruit Afghans who would be willing to join "suitable forces" for the right price.

On the flip side:

- Port "Balochistan Reformation LOOP SYSTEM" to Waziristan.

It would be helpful to COACH Local Politicians on these lines first and foremost. Appropriate political framework must be in place for the SYSTEM to work.

Refer back to [1] above to address the issue of Pashtun Tahafuz Movement (PTM) in Waziristan. Demonizing the likes of Mohsin Dawar and Mansoor Pashteen have not worked (and might not work). Listen to these people, and COACH them.

- GOP (in concert with Pakistan Army) should make sure that CPEC will meet its socio-economic objectives in Waziristan and elsewhere.

Ttp and bla are ideologies. Pakistan needs a ideology to defeat these ideologies. Pakistan needs a ideology which doesn’t support these terrorist ideologies but strengthens Pakistan instead. We need a ideology which doesn’t contradict the reason why we exist. Pakistan never made its ideology clear.

Ttp ideology = “shariah” for Pakistan. (Ttp khawarij and not following shariah them selves in reality)

Bla ideology = independent Balochistan and Baloch Nationalism

Pakistan’s ideology = still not clear.

You can only fight ideologies with ideologies. What your suggesting, usa did it what did they achieve?
Afghanistan = Taliban ideology still exists and is strong. Usa might have originally deleted Taliban resistance but their alive now with stronger support and ideology
Iraq = usa might have got rid of saddam they might have defeated Al Qaeda and ISIS for now, but everyone knows how strong Al Qaeda/ ISIS ideology still is amongst Iraqi Sunnis. Isis regrouping and making a resurgence in Iraq. Al Qaeda making a resurgence with stronger support.

American model of defeating ISIL was a failure and it didn’t do much except kill their foot soldiers. The ideology survived and spread over the world. Now there’s isis from Nigeria to Philippines. ISIL in levant making a big comeback. ISIS jails recruiting tens of thousands of fighters. US bombing created more sympathy for terrorists.

You CANNOT EVER WIN against ideologically backed opponents WITHOUT DEFEATING their ideology.
 

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Separatism in balochistan is spread openly in universities and elsewhere. Both establishment and govt are to be blamed. It seems the agencies are sleeping or rather busy doing something else. They could have taken care of it if they were not busy meddling in politics.
 

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We need to adopt prevent / conveyer belt theory from the UK. There are still factories where these gems are produced. Instead of waiting for the crime to happen, preempt and device counter-brainwashing strategy that targets the soon-to-be terrorist when he is on the conveyer belt. For example a strong religious counter narrative would put the seeds of doubt in the young ones mind about what he is being taught by the lunatics.
 

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Separatism in balochistan is spread openly in universities and elsewhere. Both establishment and govt are to be blamed. It seems the agencies are sleeping or rather busy doing something else. They could have taken care of it if they were not busy meddling in politics.
This , thier priorities need straightening up , thier primary focus seems to be political engineering secondary is fighting TTP, bla types
 

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Clearly nobody at GHQ learns about the basics of deterrence that even a child knows.

Killing the terrorists is NOT a strategy. It is a tactic.

We don't have a strategy, because our agencies have lost the sophistication race to compete internationally (especially against India). While they were busy managing internal affairs, India was building its cyber infrastructure (at least two brand new agencies dedicated to this role), appointing hardened hawks like Doval to key positions (not academics or dovish ex-generals), and improving RAW for its external-only mission, etc. Of course, India also benefitted hugely from NSA help.

Instead of seeking and hiring the best talent available and transforming themselves, our agency (under the able leadership of GHQ) chose a much easier option: let's just not improve. We'll still get our perks, benefits, plots, etc., upon retirement. GHQ devised the world's shittiest strategy of essentially waving the white flag, giving up IOK totally, and suing for peace.

The only problem was that the other side was run by people who understood realpolitik and deterrence --- as soon as they realized that we were unable to raise the cost for their offensive actions, they doubled down. Attacks are almost daily now. They can kill whoever they want here, wherever they want, and we can't do ANYTHING in the Indian mainland.

This is what happens when you have buffoons in uniform.
This comment deserves a positive rating.

Thanks for the info. Never heard of BSO, just reading on Wikipedia.
BSO Azaad faction is the nursery of militancy actually. It is where the "educated" scum breed trained in Marxist dogma.
 

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In order to resolve the issue of Balochistan, just see how the FATA issue got resolved....

Anti-Insurgency Operations can not be succeeded without the proper Infrastructure and Development Work that's too by engaging the local tribes and elders.

I have been pointing out quite often that 90% of the recruitment of BLA BLF & BRA is being done from the South Balochistan Districts of Turbat, Panjgur, Washuk, Chagai, Kharan and Awaran.... While the "decision makers" sitting in Islamabad thinks that only QUETTA is Balochistan... Lolz.....

Well these 6 Districts which I mentioned above, needs to be paid Special Attention in terms of Infrastructure Development, which will allow the success of Anti-terror Operations.
 

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Yes dismantling their domestic incubators must be done immediately.

In order to resolve the issue of Balochistan, just see how the FATA issue got resolved....

Anti-Insurgency Operations can not be succeeded without the proper Infrastructure and Development Work that's too by engaging the local tribes and elders.

I have been pointing out quite often that 90% of the recruitment of BLA BLF & BRA is being done from the South Balochistan Districts of Turbat, Panjgur, Washuk, Chagai, Kharan and Awaran.... While the "decision makers" sitting in Islamabad thinks that only QUETTA is Balochistan... Lolz.....

Well these 6 Districts which I mentioned above, needs to be paid Special Attention in terms of Infrastructure Development, which will allow the success of Anti-terror Operations.
 

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This is already being done in Balochistan and to an extent in Afghanistan (or was done in Afghanistan in the presence of ISAF).
 

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