Aryeih Leib
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Does that mean project hangor is facing trouble ? I know pakistan would receive them from 2023 but shouldn't the kneel laying been done I mean it takes about 4 yrs to make one submarine ....
İnteresting indeed.Does that mean project hangor is facing trouble ? I know pakistan would receive them from 2023 but shouldn't the kneel laying been done I mean it takes about 4 yrs to make one submarine ....
No. It means Pakistan is planning post-Hangor induction. MILDEM is still on the drawing board while the Turks are building the Reis classDoes that mean project hangor is facing trouble
Milden is based on german T 214 ?No. It means Pakistan is planning post-Hangor induction. MILDEM is still on the drawing baord while the Turks are still building the Reis class
The anti-sub aircraft are for maintaining a pervasive surveillance net over our seas and making it harder for enemy subs to operate in our EEZ and SLOC. I think both the IN and PN view their biggest naval threats coming from those fronts, hence the build-up.From what I've read on reddit and on here. İt seems it is very hard for aircraft to penetrate cumulative force of a carrier group.
How does a pack of say 2-4 submarines perform against a carrier group?
Yeah that's correct and according to this infographic:
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İt seems Milden is aimed at making a bigger, better more indigenous submarine. Designing the hull is a big deal. But equipping it with the requisite subsystems and armaments is even a bigger deal in my eyes and İ think shows Turkish defence industry growth from a grass root level. Something which we should learn from, instead of being stuck with eternal hiccups in form of HİT and POF.
No. The MILDEN is a separate program.Milden is based on german T 214 ?
My question was more geared towards Fighter jet on an anti surface maritime mission vs a pack of submarines on a similar mission. Sorry İ didn't word it properly.The anti-sub aircraft are for maintaining a pervasive surveillance net over our seas and making it harder for enemy subs to operate in our EEZ and SLOC. I think both the IN and PN view their biggest naval threats coming from those fronts, hence the build-up.
No. The MILDEN is a separate program.
PAF ..The PN's interest in the MILDEN is likely in reference to finding a successor to the Agosta 90B in the 2030-2040 timeframe. The MILDEN is far out, so this is not a near-term thing.
Now, another question, who the heck wished for this? @JamD @Tank131 @Hassan Guy
Hunger are already in productionDoes that mean project hangor is facing trouble ? I know pakistan would receive them from 2023 but shouldn't the kneel laying been done I mean it takes about 4 yrs to make one submarine ....
Will it have VLS to carry 8 to 12 Cruise Missiles which have range of around 1800 KM. If yes then all well and good if not then no.The Milden project Submarine is more modern and comes with all these you mentioned and more. It has technology that no other Submarines have it is more modern and futuristic.
Photo Reveals Turkish Submarine Is First With New Capability
Turkey is emerging as a new player in the international submarine business. A Turkish Navy submarine was spotted passing through Istanbul on January 30 with new equipment. Trained eyes spotted an array of twelve white circles just above the waterline. This appears to be the business end of the locally developed Zargana anti-torpedo defense system.
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The Zargana Countermeasure System has been developed by Aselsan to protect submarines from incoming torpedoes. It does this by launching salvos of acoustic 'deceptors' and 'jammers.' These are small torpedo-like objects which are launched from tubes under the submarine’s casing. The deceptors imitate the acoustic and movement characteristics of the targeted submarine. This misleads the torpedo into homing in on the wrong target. Meanwhile the jammers emit a broadband high-level noise that drowns out the operating frequencies of most acoustic (sonar) homing torpedoes. This sort of decoy system is known as ‘soft kill’ in defense circles.
This piece was on a forbes article that came out few months back.
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You have eight submarines on order plus 8 Frigates and Corvettes. So this empty pocket thing doesn't seem to be working.جب جیب خالی ہو تو ایسی عمدہ پن ڈبکیاں صرف خوابوں میں ہی اچھی لگتی ہیں
Hangoor is doing fine. These Subs would be other then 8 from China. Pakistani plans are to have close to 20 subs in total. That is the minimum number. If our budget increases even this number could go much higher.Does that mean project hangor is facing trouble ? I know pakistan would receive them from 2023 but shouldn't the kneel laying been done I mean it takes about 4 yrs to make one submarine ....
Nah, Pakistan should ignore human defense corporations altogether, and go straight to the klingons for their cloaking technology.We should forget light version of ATAK and go for the heavier one instead now. Milden is certainly a very interesting development. İf indeed it is coming from Mevlut Cavusoğlu's account and not some imposter.
Yes. It would have these capabilitiesWill it have VLS to carry 8 to 12 Cruise Missiles which have range of around 1800 KM. If yes then all well and good if not then no.
You have eight submarines on order plus 8 Frigates and Corvettes. So this empty pocket thing doesn't seem to be working.
Hangoor is doing fine. These Subs would be other then 8 from China. Pakistani plans are to have close to 20 subs in total. That is the minimum number. If our budget increases even this number could go much higher.
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Bhai jaan now Pak Govt is in much better financial position so some projects may become reality.جب جیب خالی ہو تو ایسی عمدہ پن ڈبکیاں صرف خوابوں میں ہی اچھی لگتی ہیں
After getting those 8 subs by 2028, Type 54As, Turkish Milgems, 10 lineage jets , I doubt there will be any money left/dedicated for PN before 2035Bhai jaan now Pak Govt is in much better financial position so some projects may become reality.
When you are hungry reality hits home and then you are more wiser and more determined and strive more at the things which you missed out on.جب جیب خالی ہو تو ایسی عمدہ پن ڈبکیاں صرف خوابوں میں ہی اچھی لگتی ہیں