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In hardly any other technical area does safety plays such an important role as in aviation. By keeping both hands off the controls this PAF pilot is visually letting the crew chief know he isn't touching any system ...


An essential display of TQM ( Total Quality Management ).

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In hardly any other technical area does safety plays such an important role as in aviation. By keeping both hands off the controls this PAF pilot is visually letting the crew chief know he isn't touching any system ...


An essential display of TQM ( Total Quality Management ).

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How most parents sit in the passenger seat when their kids are driving
 

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It's remarkable how this one particular family managed to dog PAF procurements for decades, e.g., if not for ZAB triggering 1965, the PAF was likely on track to replacing its F-86s with F-5s, if not for BB/NS's antics in the 1990s, the PAF could've gotten Mirage 2000/-5s, and so on.
If not for ZAB we wouldn't have had 1971 or 1970s sociliasm disaster ..
ZAB is the most influential and consequential leader pakistan has seen..and like all of our great villans he is a national hero post death..
 

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One might argue, if not for ZAB, we wouldn't have had 1965 and the resulting drop in our ties with the US. @SQ8
Plenty of what if’s - after all, Acdre Mansoor Shah writes on Zia’s Nephew claiming that his uncle’s real ploy with the extreme “Islamization” was to get the population so fed up with the maddened clergy that he could wipe them off by military action and rid Pakistan of them once and for all without much backlash.

Either way, we have 75 F-16’s and that is that.

On the other thread however, it seems we may be misinterpreting the ACM. If he is stating that the PAF will be a 5th gen AirForce by 2047 - it either implies fully operational 5th gen assets or is it the unlikely outcome of being a mostly 5th AF?
So maybe the Vipers(pretty much past their useful life by next decade) gone along with the F-7’s and perhaps Mirages too.
What would be left is what is interesting. After all, the oldest JF-17s are now nearing 12 years in operational service.
 

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Plenty of what if’s - after all, Acdre Mansoor Shah writes on Zia’s Nephew claiming that his uncle’s real ploy with the extreme “Islamization” was to get the population so fed up with the maddened clergy that he could wipe them off by military action and rid Pakistan of them once and for all without much backlash.

Either way, we have 75 F-16’s and that is that.

On the other thread however, it seems we may be misinterpreting the ACM. If he is stating that the PAF will be a 5th gen AirForce by 2047 - it either implies fully operational 5th gen assets or is it the unlikely outcome of being a mostly 5th AF?
So maybe the Vipers(pretty much past their useful life by next decade) gone along with the F-7’s and perhaps Mirages too.
What would be left is what is interesting. After all, the oldest JF-17s are now nearing 12 years in operational service.
My guess is PAF will look for life extention kit to stretch f16 till 2040
Without that life extention f16 will be done by 2030

I doubt we are getting new f16..seems stick works and afghanistan isnt really on usa top pirority anymore

However, if usa withdraws suddenly and then wants to keep status quo in afgjanistan via third party something might happen but unlike what people think i doubt we can do anything to force afghans to stop fighting
 

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Plenty of what if’s - after all, Acdre Mansoor Shah writes on Zia’s Nephew claiming that his uncle’s real ploy with the extreme “Islamization” was to get the population so fed up with the maddened clergy that he could wipe them off by military action and rid Pakistan of them once and for all without much backlash.

Either way, we have 75 F-16’s and that is that.

On the other thread however, it seems we may be misinterpreting the ACM. If he is stating that the PAF will be a 5th gen AirForce by 2047 - it either implies fully operational 5th gen assets or is it the unlikely outcome of being a mostly 5th AF?
So maybe the Vipers(pretty much past their useful life by next decade) gone along with the F-7’s and perhaps Mirages too.
What would be left is what is interesting. After all, the oldest JF-17s are now nearing 12 years in operational service.
In listening to the ARY report, it seems the CAS indeed said (along the lines of), "the PAF will transition into an all-next-generation air force by 2047." If so, then this isn't new info. It's actually a part of Vision 2047 (LINK).

Basically, it's not just an issue of switching over to all NGFAs by 1947 (which is now a goal), but being self-sufficient in sourcing said NGFAs.

So, if I'm interpreting this right, by 2047 the PAF should be able to buy its fighters, engines, radars, missiles, etc -- everything -- from Pakistan, and not rely on anyone else. However, the PAF is looking at an off-the-shelf fighter, so it'll be interesting to see if it goes for J-10CE or waits it out for the J-35.
 

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In listening to the ARY report, it seems the CAS indeed said (along the lines of), "the PAF will transition into an all-next-generation air force by 2047." If so, then this isn't new info. It's actually a part of Vision 2047 (LINK).

Basically, it's not just an issue of switching over to all NGFAs by 1947 (which is now a goal), but being self-sufficient in sourcing said NGFAs.

So, if I'm interpreting this right, by 2047 the PAF should be able to buy its fighters, engines, radars, missiles, etc -- everything -- from Pakistan, and not rely on anyone else. However, the PAF is looking at an off-the-shelf fighter, so it'll be interesting to see if it goes for J-10CE or waits it out for the J-35.
Keeping in mind that all of this is also 8 ACM’s out. So the consistency of vision and quality of leadership is a very high demand.
 

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If not for ZAB we wouldn't have had 1971 or 1970s sociliasm disaster ..
ZAB is the most influential and consequential leader pakistan has seen..and like all of our great villans he is a national hero post death..
Had it not been for Bhuttos disasterious handling of our foreign policy and at the same time egging ayub to go to war with india we would not have had the disaster of 65 let alone 71.
Once bhutto was in London ( pre 71) he went to see sikander Mirza n sikander mirza asked him "zulfi why u dident stop ayub Khan from going to war with india" and bhutto replied " how else would I have weakened his grip on power." This comming from a man who use to call ayub dadie.

He was a self centered snake who dident even stop at dismembering Pakistan just to get into power.
Wt goes around comes around n he along with everyone responsible for dismembering Pakistan met very painful deaths along with their offsprings.
 
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Another thing after we had wiped out muktibahini (as PA was conducting mopping up opps by sep 71). India was down right afraid of getting into a direct confrontation with Pakistan n hence moved for a ceasefire resolution at the un but bhutto knowing fully well that in such an eventuality will only strengthen the position of yahya n would make it next to impossible to get into power.
So he did the drama of tearing that resolution at the un general assembly n walking away.
 
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Either way folks , lets stick to the Viper - we have 75 of them, they work and are proven. Whether we get new ones or not is too much of a hyperbole at this stage.
 

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Had it not been for Bhuttos disasterious handling of our foreign policy and at the same time egging ayub to go to war with india we would not have had the disaster of 65 let alone 71.
Once bhutto was in London ( pre 71) he went to see sikander Mirza n sikander mirza asked him "zulfi why u dident stop ayub Khan from going to war with india" and bhutto replied " how else would I have weakened his grip on power." He use to call ayub dadie.

He was a self centered snake who dident even stop at dismembering Pakistan just to get into power.
Wt goes around comes around n he along with everyone responsible for dismembering Pakistan met very painful deaths along with their offsprings.
yes surprising co incidence that all three leaders of Pakistan Bangladesh and india in 1971 drama got killed
Either way folks , lets stick to the Viper - we have 75 of them, they work and are proven. Whether we get new ones or not is too much of a hyperbole at this stage.
13 Jordanians are on last leg and will be retired soon after 2025-27

44 MLUs will last for another 4000 hrs from MLU approx. 2032-35

the 18 new ones may well last well upto 2045(30-35 yrs/8000hrs)

i think this how they will be retried since, i doubt we will ever get the aim 120D or aim 9x or any stand off/antiship weapons for f16s making them pretty much obsolete after 2030 when india will be fielding askra mk2 & meteor & may be even aim 120 D (if they acquire f18)

we loved the sabers but they got obsolete ..f16s without a update which isnt visible even in most optimistic scenario(pakistan managing the afghan conflict) mean at best they will be relevant till 2030/have a short life left

i think PAF will mostly be j10/jf17/azm force after 2030 a fully eastern force
 
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