Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[ziaulislam]

LOC as permanent border would have been acceptable couple of years back but such a move now will be pure genocide on IOK side. India shot themself in the foot with their RSS antics. Indian businesses are actually very competitive and rivaling western ones, now with the EU disinfo thing being out, won't be surprised if someone brings up human rights and Kashmir related sanctions to protect western markets.

Army knows it shouldnt involve itself in someone elses war, else we had alot to gain from going to Yemen. Moeed Yousufs latest interview is clear that Pakistan will only get parties discussing and facilitate economic trade related issues. Peace in Afghanistan is upto the Afghans themself only. If we interfere again like we did in past when it fails we will again be the escape goat and Pakistan will not let that happen again.

Whether u like it or not u will have to interfere

U cant sit by fire and do nothing ..its instinctive..

For example there starts a huge civil war and 20 m people sit at torkhan boarder what r u going to do???

 

[raja786]

Whether u like it or not u will have to interfere

U cant sit by fire and do nothing ..its instinctive..

For example there starts a huge civil war and 20 m people sit at torkhan boarder what r u going to do???

They can kill each other not wellcome in Pakistan, never again.

 

[Shabi1]

Whether u like it or not u will have to interfere

U cant sit by fire and do nothing ..its instinctive..

For example there starts a huge civil war and 20 m people sit at torkhan boarder what r u going to do???

That is a IF nothing works, then obviously plans would need to be modified but first we need to let them sort out themselves and hope they can manage. If we dont try letting Afghans work something out themselves first and impose something on them it would give the elements that try to destabilize Pakistan legitimization. We've tried it in past via Taliban and it back fired as eventually they grow out of control and spilled over to our side, its like playing with fire.

The ones who want perpetual war in Afghanistan are ones benefiting from it, that is people getting aid for boosting defenses or ones engaged in drug trade. Once US reduces presence and aid starts drying up they would need to realize it would be far more profitable if there is stability and Afghanistan could provide safe passage to trade and access to central asian states. Also the fact that we have a sincere gov in Pakistan that could curb smuggling would mean it would be profitable for Afghan manufacturers and growers to produce locally rather than smuggle from Pakistan.

 

[Raider 21]

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[Trailer23]

Kinda sad that No. 14 Squadron had gone from F-16's to F-7's. Talk about: how the mighty have fallen

Good to know that they've bounced back with the JFT's now.

 

[Raider 21]

Kinda sad that No. 14 Squadron had gone from F-16's to F-7's. Talk about: how the mighty have fallen

Good to know that they've bounced back with the JFT's now.

It was due to the decrease in number of available Vipers because of the numerous crashes.

 

[Windjammer]

It was due to the decrease in number of available Vipers because of the numerous crashes.

Numerous crashes ??.....or due to the anticipated follow up order not materialising.

 

[Yasser76]

It was due to the decrease in number of available Vipers because of the numerous crashes.

It was due to non delivery of extra batch, Cannot operate 3 squadrons with just 40 planes (unless you are LCA where you can operate a squadron with 3 planes)

 

[Raider 21]

Numerous crashes ??.....or due to the anticipated follow up order not materialising.

And the crashes played a huge role into it. They knew the embargo was going to happen. Plus the main maintenance depot at the time was only in Sargodha.

 

[airomerix]

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And the crashes played a huge role into it. They knew the embargo was going to happen. Plus the main maintenance depot at the time was only in Sargodha.

That's the main reason. 14 sqn had a poor safety record with F-16s,

 

[SQ8]

And the crashes played a huge role into it. They knew the embargo was going to happen. Plus the main maintenance depot at the time was only in Sargodha.

One would imagine some heads would have rolled knowing the limitations ?

 

[Raider 21]

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That's the main reason. 14 sqn had a poor safety record with F-16s,

3 crashes as far as I know. And 2 of them happened due to an engine design defect. Entire Viper fleet was grounded for almost a year.

 

[Mirage Battle Commander]

3 crashes as far as I know. And 2 of them happened due to an engine design defect. Entire Viper fleet was grounded for almost a year.

were the 2 vipers then reimbursed?

 

[GriffinsRule]

were the 2 vipers then reimbursed?

That's not how it works. PAF maintenance is responsible for the engines after the sale.

 

[Mirage Battle Commander]

That's not how it works. PAF maintenance is responsible for the engines after the sale.

are you inferring that an engine design defect was the responsibility of the PAF engineers?