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Danish Moazzam

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respected gents
F-1 discussion deserves a separate section. we continue to revisit it and talk about lost opportunity due to PAF F-16 experience.

if you like I can move the F-1 related posts to a new thread? or if we want to continue to talk about F1 or other jets in reference to F-16 within this thread then I can leave it here.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @MastanKhan @denel
I agree, No point in discussing what has been lost. It would be rather constructive to discuss what can be done now and in future.
 

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Mr. Baloch.

The quality of the discussions on the board are dying due to to too much control---you cannot write here---you cannot write there---you cannot write this---you cannot write that.
It wouldn't be needed if some people try to control their own wild & conspiracy theories while they are lost in their self centric world holding too much of the grudge known to them. There is a limit of childish yet foolish behaviour and propaganda spouting. Hence, the bar is set and limits are defined but trust me, it doesn't matter to the majority or almost everyone as they aren't lost in their own mental puzzles. This particular control is placed so that the decorum and quality can be maintained. Leaking State secrets or some brats loosing their ----- is not quality or someone having a bad time and comes with theories & all those tales merely to unload his/her burden is neither quality nor knowledge.
 

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If cash was there, and the best platform was picked then there would still be could've and should've theories.....
See this is the same quagmire --- 'picked up'.... you need to realise concept of building locally and sustainably. It is this very argument that has everyone in a bind. Bad decisions and blunders keep on repeating.
You are throwing money at other's vs trying to build skillsets or build knowledge; it is a throwaway item.
 

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Hi,

That is a strange comment---. AZM is in itself is a 5th gen program---.

A sound fundamental F1 base would have landed us in the 5th gen realm a longtime ago---alomost 20 years ago.

That is by the default of natural progression of being in fighter aircraft manufacturing industry---.

Now---where else would one have gone after learning about the 4th gen aircrafts---Obviously to 4.5 and 5th gen aircraft---.

If we were building the F1's---we would have also found ways to build the BVR's---.

Everything falls into place once the first right step is taken---.
F1 was easily able to extend itself into BVR and was ahead of its time. It came with a good engine 9K but RD engine took it to another level etc. It would have provided opportunity to build an entire industry; but alas the M3/M5 is relegated to patchups etc. Think of it this way - Grifo radars were bought, thru - what else was done to improve their performance - you get a bicycle - do you not want to tune it further to improve it more?
 

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US offered F15E to replace AZM as one member of this forum said
no friend, let us not start another rumour mill - WDF is full of such peddlers that is beyond comprehension - j15,f16,jf7 delivered etc etc etc. one thinks people are high on something there.

Going any path of US avenue is a dead duck; ITAR free is a must in any requirements.
 

araz

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I have read the debate. As a historical event it is worth a debate to discuss why a decision was not taken. We do need some official perspective on what was offered and why a decision was not taken. We do not have it AND THEREFORE THIS IS VERY LIKELY TO TURN INTO A VENTING OF FRUSTRATIONS AS WE DON'T KNOW THE ACTUAL GROUND REALITIES.
As to what happens now, we have obviously moved on and have a platform of our own which is progressing steadily. We also have future aspirations which although a bit lofty is according to our leadership doable. It remains to be seen where we can get to.
A
 

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no friend, let us not start another rumour mill - WDF is full of such peddlers that is beyond comprehension - j15,f16,jf7 delivered etc etc etc. one thinks people are high on something there.

Going any path of US avenue is a dead duck; ITAR free is a must in any requirements.
No it's not him it's this forum
 

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Originally conceived as a lightweight fighter, the F-16 went on to replace such heavies as the F-4 Phantom.
It's said the F-16 can carry double the weight of F-4 to same distance or same weight to twice the distance.



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