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ziaulislam

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PAF would, without a single doubt, instantly agree to buy Any F-16s it could. Because it makes a lot of logical sense to do that, they would be stupid to pass them up.
BUT, not if the conditions were so bad that they weren’t worth buying, PAF didn’t walk away from those Block 52+, it tried its hardest to get them, but the financing conditions weren’t to PAFs liking because US wanted Pakistan to pay in full. And add on top of that the stringent use conditions they were trying to put on those F-16s.

Right now PAF has more funds, if F-16s were on the cards without those stringent use conditions, PAF would surely take them, Wether it was 8 F-16s or 80. But J-10C would come anyways because PAF knows any F-16 sale would be small, but now there is no sale. So it doesn’t change much.

Sure PAF doesn’t inherently need F-16s anymore, but people have to realize PAF doesn’t have just so many open options that not getting more F-16s isn’t a drawback. It’s a major major drawback, because PAF has extremely limited realistic options. J-10C is currently the only single one.
So basically PAF wanted USA to foot the bill
Pakistan were told to pay full
We would have literally jumped with joy if we were told to pay full for f16 in 1990-2010

But time has changee back then china only had j6/7 to offer

Now we have jf17/j10
 

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What kind of carrot do we possess would entice US to be friends with us again? Nothing short of betrayal against China would work. Bases against Afghanistan isn't worth that much. India has already offered a bigger carrot to them and joined the US-led quad. And you know India and Pakistan can never Co exist in a same block or group. And simply we can't out-carrot India here anyways.

You may deny it but the fact is economically and militarily Pakistan's future is tied with China. They have invested a lot and in turn bought a lot of influence over us.

A few dozen F-16s are not really worth it to loose a tried and tested ally like China. They are a hell lot more dependable than deceptive, rude US. See what happened with Turkey when it required to bolster its military even being a vital NATO member. So anymore F-16s would be more of a liability in the long term upon our already weak economic position. And yes J-10C would be the logical choice.

Yes F-16 is without a doubt great fighting machine but circumstances dictates otherwise for us.

We all love Hollywood, Western freedom, western chicks, their language, their technology and progress but I am afraid our bureaucratic and top military brass would have to find some alternative venues to spend their holidays or their retirement plans. Something more Asian or Eastern :azn::agree::smokin::lol:
So brush up your Russian and Chinese language skills too.

Exactly
Mirage, F-16s, JF-17s and J-10C would be the perfect combination.

Maybe replace Mirages with J-10s later down the road :enjoy:
If we think relations with China will not have its own consequences, then I am afraid we are living in a fools paradise as we have always been when we were the darling of the west.
 

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Can somebody tell here that How much did F-16 block 52+ costed us back then? Their flyaway cost?
If we think relations with China will not have its own consequences, then I am afraid we are living in a fools paradise as we have always been when we were the darling of the west.
This is PDF, pls break it down into simple English, like:

When strangers give you candies, be careful......
 
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Not sure about the Block 70 but Zulu news was correct. @Zarvan
One thing that specific forum forgot to mention was that Zulus were super stealthy.
They landed in Pakistan about a year ago and since then no one has seen them, even PA is trying to relocate them but has failed so far due to their super stealthy features.


I've read at a specific forum that we are getting around 100 F 16 Block 70 standard which includes new and EDA articles, moreover that zulu have been delivered?????

I mean what is happening??
 
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If we think relations with China will not have its own consequences, then I am afraid we are living in a fools paradise as we have always been when we were the darling of the west.
Absolutely true. But for now we are tied with China and can't do much about it.

Except diversifying the investment in CPEC through various other friendly countries.

IMHO, we would be offered F-16 upgrades after the induction of JF-17 block 3 and probably J-10C in near future. Because both of them would come with AESA radar and updated avionics and EW suites
 

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Can you provide a link to those statements?
Sorry I don't have link available now. Perhaps it was an interview series of Air Marshal Rtd. Shahid Lateef with abid Andleeb on youtube. And heard some contradictory, confusing statements after February 2019 air skirmish. It's a bit hard to recall now exactly.

I don't have any link available now. If in future I might find those conversations again then would definitely share with you.
 

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I have heard in interviews senior PAF officials claiming that JF-17 is capable of firing AMRAAM missiles too!
Sorry I don't have link available now. Perhaps it was an interview series of Air Marshal Rtd. Shahid Lateef with abid Andleeb on youtube. And heard some contradictory, confusing statements after February 2019 air skirmish. It's a bit hard to recall now exactly.

I don't have any link available now. If in future I might find those conversations again then would definitely share with you.
@Raider 21 @SQ8 @The Eagle Just my personal opinion, that JFT cannot fire American AAM. Am I wrong?
 

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