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    Pakistan in Talks With Russia on Buying Air Defense Systems – Defense Minister

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    Pakistani Defense Minister Khurram Dastgir Khan has discussed with Sputnik the issues of Moscow-Islamabad cooperation and the purchases of Russian hardware by Pakistan.

    Purchases of Su-35 Jets, Air Defense Systems and T-90 Tanks

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Khurram Dastgir Khan confirmed to Sputnik that Islamabad was in talks with Moscow on the issue of purchasing air defense systems, adding that Pakistan was interested in such weapons.

    "Air defense system is a different kind of weapon we are interested. We are very much interested in a very wide range of the Russian weapons technology. We are in negotiations [on air defense systems] and once we conclude negotiations, we will be able to announce them," Khan said in an interview.

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    Pakistan and Russia may reach an agreement on Islamabad purchasing Russian Su-35 jets "in the next few years," the talks on the issue are in their early stages,Khan told Sputnik.
    Last February, a high-ranking military official in Pakistan told Sputnik that Islamabad had no plans to buy the Su-35.

    "Concerning fighter aircraft Su-35: may be in the next few years we will be able to reach that point, we are in the beginning of negotiations now," the minister said answering a corresponding question.

    Pakistan is interested in acquiring Russian T-90 tanks as a long-term commitment instead of a single purchase, Pakistani Defense Minister Khurram Dastgir Khan told Sputnik in an interview on Thursday.

    "We are interested in tanks T-90 and it is not going to be a one-time purchase but it is going to be a long-term commitment," Khan said.

    Situation in Afghanistan

    Both Islamabad and Moscow are interested in a stable and democratic Afghanistan as it will positively contribute to security in Central Asia, the minister said.

    "We respect Afghanistan's sovereignty. Stability in Afghanistan is important for Pakistan to be able to develop its own prosperous future, to access to the Russian market, for example, by land route. Democratic and stable Afghanistan is in deep the interest of both Russia and Pakistan," Khan said.

    Pakistan supports Russia's efforts to bring stability and peace to the region and called on other regional and global powers to jointly devise a plan to end violence and defeat terrorism in Afghanistan, according to the official.

    "We are supporting the Russian regional approach to Afghanistan and we hope that not only Russia but also China, Iran and of course the United States can sit together at the table and devise a way in which we can achieve internal peace and reconciliation within Afghanistan," he added.

    The minister also praised a new approach by the Afghan leadership when it comes to ending the prolonged conflict in the country.

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    "One positive step that has happened recently is a genuine approach by President [Ashraf] Ghani when he had said that he no longer wants to win the war, but to end the conflict. To win the war was militarist American approach but now the Afghan approach is closer to Pakistan's position on the matter. Pakistan's highest priority regarding Afghanistan is to have a peaceful democratic stable neighbor," Khan underlined.
    Afghanistan has long been suffering from political, social and security instability due to the activity of the Taliban radical movement and the Daesh* terrorist group. To address this issue, Moscow has hosted a number of conferences to achieve peace in the war-ravaged country.

    Islamabad, Moscow Agreed to Enhance Defense, Intelligence Cooperation

    Islamabad looks forward to expanding defense cooperation with Russia in all areas, including military training, procuring equipment and sharing intelligence, Pakistani Defense Minister Khurram Dastgir Khan told Sputnik in an interview on Thursday.

    "In the defense field, we signed a historical unprecedented Pakistan-Russia defense agreement in 2014. As a result, we have been able to conduct joint exercises, Pakistan has purchased Russian helicopters Mi-35 and now we are looking at much wider range of defense cooperation. In terms of training, Pakistani officers are coming to Russia and Russian officers are going to the Pakistani facilities for training. We are also now discussing a wider range of military exercises, we are looking at a wider range of military equipment and intelligence sharing," Khan said on the sidelines of the Moscow Conference on International Security (MCIS).

    The official commended the current level of defense industry cooperation, noting that in the future Islamabad hopes to expand the variety of military equipment sold by Russia to Pakistan.

    "We are looking towards a great future in certain areas, in which Russia has excellent expertise, such as the tanks and air defense systems," Khan noted.

    Even though Pakistan and Russia had differences in the past on the Afghan crisis, the countries have now achieved mutual understanding on regional and international issues, according to the minister.

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    "Of course we have a history of Afghan war in which we have been on the opposite sides but now as a second decade of the 21st century ends, we will be able to look at world realities with a different eye and I am delighted to say that Pakistan and Russia are largely in agreement on major international issues like Afghanistan, like fighting drug trafficking, situation in the Middle East. We are now looking now at almost all aspects of defense and there is excellent goodwill between our leadership," Khan underlined.
    The official went on to say that Islamabad is grateful to Russia for supporting its accession to the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO).

    The SCO is a political, economic and military intergovernmental organization founded by China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia and Tajikistan. Uzbekistan joined the SCO in 2001, while India and Pakistan became members in June 2017.

    *Daesh, also known as the Islamic State, IS, ISIS, ISIL is a terrorist group outlawed in Russia

    https://sputniknews.com/asia/201804061063290124-pakistan-russia-air-defense-systems/

    I don't think this all saga just to make sure Indians stick with Russians....In my opinion, Indians are not being trolled over this....

    Either Russians or we, one of us is hell bent to have strategic partnership with other

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    By working with Russia in the sector of intelligence cooperation will be the most important goal rather should be the main goal of the two countries. The Russians were able to intercept about the coup in Turkey in great timing and warned Erdogan. This enhanced intelligence platform will be very beneficial for Pakistan.
     
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    Well if India starts buying American F16's then anything can happen.
    Maybe Su 35 and S400's will be coming to Pak.
     
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    If Russia did not want, Pakistan could not have been inducted in SCO. Now that both these signatory of SCO namely; Russia & Pakistan, may work with each other for defense purchases. Pakistan can seek good offices of China to help them cut the mustard on this with Russia. And since the money is spread in billions of dollars, Russia may not want to lose such a lucrative sale.

    If a country like Algeria can have S-400, why not Pakistan?
     
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    Pakistan had saved billions of dollars which it had intended to use to purchase additional F-16s from the US (and also some from other countries). After the US blocked the deal last year, Pakistan can use those billions to purchase new fighter aircraft from Russia.

    Some Sukhoi-35s have already been delivered to China. Pakistan is just waiting for the Rafales to be delivered to India first.
     
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    India is not in a position to dictate Russia to not sell Military hardware to Pakistan because India itself is buying weapons away from Russia (US), which was not the case before Modi's advent. Modi has signed CISMOA, LEMOA & BECA.
     
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    The day Pakistan has S-400, all the Indian war hysteria a la surgical strike would come to screeching halt. S-400 is worth its weight in gold.
     
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    U see problem is they act like they are the boss o_O"
     
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    It goes both ways, if you read the news correctly, Turkey also helped Russia fail a big terrorist plot and it is almost incredible to to see how they have changed. The former selves of Russia and Turkey both had a long history of hostility spanning centuries. Compare that to Pak-Russian relations which were hostile for much shorter period and that too because of certain British slaves with vested interests in your bureaucracy/establishment wanted Pakistan to stay a slave of the colonial power. Remember that when ZAB initiated an independent foreign policy, he not only brought Pakistan and China close to each other but Pak-USSR as well and Pakistan Steel Mills is a proof of that.
    Russia is very different from USSR ideologically. Pakistan and Russian long term goals align perfectly in the region and on the global scale and that also get aligned with China and Turkey.
     
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    I agree. Anything can happen, especially with Russia. Just make sure Pakistan brings its checkbook.

    Reminds me of the US, who is selling weapons to both sides. If US can do it, so can the Russians.

    What billions of dollars are you talking about? The purchase of additional F-16s were contingent on US paying for most of the costs while Pakistan contributed the rest. The deal was cancelled when US Congress said no.

    Why blame India from moving away from Russia? One can make the argument that Russia was moving away from India by selling weapons to China. And this can hardly be blamed on Modi. Russia was moving away long before Modi became PM.

    As for CISMOA, LEMOA & BECA. These are Chinese-specific and should not impact India's relationship with Russia.
     
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    I think the defence minister read one of the wishlist threads on pdf and got over excited in Russia :sarcastic: oh bhai in cheezo kay liyay paisay kaha say lao gay!? T90 is believable, but su35 or SAM will require billions that we don't have.
     
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    Good news
     
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    Be ready for more surprises rather shocks buddy.

    Mate, Pakistan's problem is not India rather the western paid agents in our establishment. For them lying and deception is a work of art.
     
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    Rosoboronexport is under US sanctions. India can get away with exemption for being US/Trump friendly but may be Pakistan cant, hence this is the only obstacle that I think remains as for as Pakistan's purchases of S-400 are concerned.

    As for the finances, Pakistan can do some "Jugad" as in the past.


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