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Areesh

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Don't know what is Pakistan's main problem but defence,pk's main problem is trolls like @Contrarian The booming economy couldn't provide a proper employment to such Internet hindus and they have became a baggage on this forum.
 

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Instead of crying and whining about it , why don't you complain it to the forum administration .
Forum administration has banned several times. But then again Bharati trolls come back to this forum. I understand your obsession with Pakistan but still you guys should show some dignity and leave. You are uninvited here.
 

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Less the Army, more about supporters of Musharraf in the Army and retired officers. Qadri and Ik are their game to get Musharraf out of the mix and have him flee.
I am afraid it has gone beyond that now. Musharraf's release is a foregone conclusion. Looking at the situation, who would not want to negotiate for more?

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STICK TO TOPIC PEOPLE!

Sorry Oscar, this post was not meant for you. It just got collated with the last reply.
 
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Nwaz never learns ,and never will because he's a million dollar a$$.He has ruined his rigging hardwork recklessly.
 

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I am not aware of anyone from Pakistan telling India which of their institute is main problem?
Oops sorry ...... I misunderstood your post .

I agree completely ...... Army or Politicians , it's Pakistan's internal matter and it's upto Pakistanis to decide what they want . But that doesnot mean we cannot have discussions or opine about that

And IMO India will find it more easier to deal with Army than politicians .
 

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Can you not see what is happening? How can you say this? I think your ethnic-based view is getting the better of you.
Prove me wrong with solid facts if you think that is not the case, they will support nawaz to get through it as he is one of their own and obedient, can't have a free minded khan who is supported by public.
 

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Firstly, please be aware that the Hurriyat does NOT represent the people of Kashmir! Period!
Not true.

Question: Will the Pakistan government (and PA/ISI) allow the Indian High Commissioner in Pakistan to talk with representatives of Pak Administered Kashmir including Gilgit/Baltistan as this area is disputed too?
more important question is, will they themselves like to meet them? In past during indira gandhi tenure u have tried that, but they themselves refused to meet ur representatives. Remember India is a foreign entity here occupying our lands so is she treated in such a way by others. Even yr country knows it thats why it doesnt meet them or try meeting them anymore.

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Another usual indian gibberish.

Army is basically with Nawaz Sharif as the imran khan and Quadri r western influenced people here send this time by them. Even imran has gooras in his protest wearing shalwar kameez and even america has said that it doesnt want to get into this as its pakistan's ''internal matter'' even if a elected gov that they themselves acknowledged is being toppled.

Tahir ul Quadri is a Canadian Citizen who came here with his canadian citizens who r born and raised in canada and have nothing to do with pakistan and its ground affairs. Yesterday i saw in TV where a journalist was interviewing a couple of Belgium in his protest who couldnt even speak Urdu.:lol:

This is the credibility of him. And Imran Khan is basically being influenced by British through his connections with them Lord Nazir, Goldsmith family et. These are main suspects.

So who ever will get the biggest advantage of this entire episode will be west as putting pakistan back in regional affairs and instability within is what they want to somehow still denuclearize and balkanize us.

So in this entire picture what the army wants is the stability and economic growth. Not instability and further losses. So hence it is trying to make sure that by supporting whoever in in power.

Indian media and its sources are always shitty and are based on poor assumptions. When there is no indian reporter in the territory of pakistan then how did they found an ''inside source'' and a intelligence official 'who wish not to be named'??? And also whats the purpose of putting this all scheme in Pak- Ind relations narrative when Modi himself has halted the peace talks unilaterally and putting all blame on Pakistan even if India itself unilaterally halts or dissolves peace talks??

If these people are copying their reports from reuters then they are even stupid because reuters are nothing but stupid government controlled source so they will only claim what suits them and hence hold none what so ever credibility in our country so its even futile to think what someone will ever co-operate with them even to that extent that they dont with local media that they will tell them whats happening inside CAOS meeting with PM!!!!!!!

Nawaz Sharif was clever to have agreed with Army before 14th august that they will not hold any confrontation anymore with Armed Forces like they did before because maybe by his experience he knew thats coming in a few days and CAOs has met him twice since this drama speaks volumes and also ISPR has said yesterday that they have deployed army in Red Zone Areas additionally in the request of Gov. So this shows enough who is with whom and who is against whom.

So this indian gibberish can work with those tiny brained indian who r in a hopeless position to ever understand Pakistan affairs but it cant work on us who know better.
 
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Another usual indian gibberish.

‘From czar-like prime minister to deputy commissioner-type character’ - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
‘From czar-like prime minister to deputy commissioner-type character’
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Updated about 2 hours ago

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. — APP Photo

ISLAMABAD: Besieged Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has been assured by military that there will be no coup, but in return he must “share space with the army”, according to a government source who was privy to recent talks between the two sides.

Last week, as tens of thousands of protesters advanced on the federal capital to demand his resignation, Sharif dispatched two emissaries to consult with the army chief.

He wanted to know if the military was quietly engineering the twin protest movements by cricket star-turned-politician Imran Khan and activist cleric Tahirul Qadri, or if, perhaps, it was preparing to stage a coup.

According to a government insider with a first-hand account of the meeting, Sharif's envoys returned with good news and bad: there will be no coup but if he wants his government to survive, from now on it will have to share space with the army.

The army's media wing declined to comment.

Thousands of protesters marched to parliament on Tuesday, using a crane and bolt cutters to force their way past barricades of shipping containers, as riot police and paramilitaries watched on after being told not to intervene.

Military spokesman General Asim Bajwa tweeted a reminder to protesters to respect government institutions and called for a “meaningful dialogue” to resolve the crisis.

Even if, as seems likely, the Khan and Qadri protests eventually fizzle out due to a lack of overt support from the military, the prime minister will emerge weakened from political crisis.

Sharif may have to be subservient to the generals on issues he wanted to handle himself — from the fight against Taliban to relations with India and Pakistan's role in neighbouring, post-Nato Afghanistan.

“The biggest loser will be Nawaz, cut down to size both by puny political rivals and the powerful army,” said a government minister who asked not to be named.

“From this moment on, he'll always be looking over his shoulder.”

A year ago, few would have predicted that Sharif would be in such trouble: back then, he had just swept to power for a third time in a milestone poll that marked the first transition from one elected government to another.

But in the months that followed, Sharif — who had crossed swords with the army in the past — moved to enhance the clout of the civilian government in a country that has been ruled by the military for more than half of its history.

He irked the generals by putting former military head Pervez Musharraf, who had ended Sharif's last stint as prime minister in a 1999 coup, on trial for treason.

Sharif is also said to have opposed a military offensive to crush Taliban insurgents and sought reconciliation with India.

India rapprochement at risk
Sources in Sharif's government said that with civilian-military relations in such bad shape, Sharif suspected that the street protests to unseat him were being manipulated from behind the scenes by the army.

He also feared that if the agitations turned violent, the army would exploit the situation to seize power for itself.

However, the two close aides who went to see army chief Raheel Sharif in the garrison town of Rawalpindi last Wednesday were told that the military had no intention of intervening.

“The military does not intend to carry out a coup but ... if the government wants to get through its many problems and the four remaining years of its term, it has to share space with the army,” said the insider, summing up the message they were given.

“Sharing space” is a familiar euphemism for civilian governments focusing narrowly on domestic political affairs and leaving security and strategic policy to the army.

The fact that the military is back in the driving seat will make it harder for Sharif to deliver the rapprochement with India that he promised when he won the election last year.

Indian media speculated this week that Sharif had already been forced by the generals to scuttle peace talks.

New Delhi on Monday called off a meeting between foreign ministry officials of the two countries, which had been set to take place on Aug 25, because Pakistan announced its intention to consult Kashmiri separatists ahead of the meeting.

The Himalayan region of Kashmir has been a bone of contention between India and Pakistan since both gained independence in 1947. The two nations have fought three wars, two of them over Kashmir, and came close to a fourth in 2001.

The Pakistani army's predominance could also mean it could torpedo the government's relationship with Afghanistan, where a regional jostle for influence is expected to intensify after the withdrawal of most foreign forces at the end of this year.

Paying the price
Few believed that the army would back Khan's bid for power even if it used him to put Sharif on the defensive.

“Even the army knows that Imran Khan may be a great pressure cooker in the kitchen, but you can't trust him to be the chef,” said a former intelligence chief who declined to be named.

Sharif may now pay the price for miscalculating that the military may have been willing to let the one-time cricket hero topple him.

“Thinking that Imran could be a game-changer, Nawaz has conceded the maximum to the army,” a Sharif aide said.

“From a czar-like prime minister, they (the army) have reduced him to a deputy commissioner-type character who will deal with the day-to-day running of the country while they take care of the important stuff like Afghanistan and India. This is not a small loss.”

But Sharif's aides say a stint in jail under Musharraf, followed by exile from Pakistan and five years as leader of the opposition party, have made him realise that he needs to share power to survive.

“This is not the old Nawaz, the wild confrontationalist,” said an adviser to the prime minister in Lahore, the capital of his Punjab province power base.

“This is the new Nawaz who has learnt the hard way that politics is about living to fight another day.”
 

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Prove me wrong with solid facts if you think that is not the case, they will support nawaz to get through it as he is one of their own and obedient, can't have a free minded khan who is supported by public.
For that look at election results, which are claimed to be fair West of Indus and unfair on the East side.

If Army were supporting NS, a lot would have happened already.
 

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Well said. India is acting like a cry baby.

How are we suppose to resolve issues without "talking" to stake holders?

I guess they just wanna talk on the border with guns as usual.
well, you made your choice,you can talk all you want with huriyat now,aap bhi khush hum bhi khus
 

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Basically the elections were extensively rigged. This is against the constitution or any due process. The organizations

1) incharge of the elections
2) main power brokers army/US
3) regulatory bodies that provide due process

Have all proved complicit. There can never be peace without justice. If some people cannot see this then that is not the problem.

Any system works by being applicable to everyone. It does not work with :

1) being okay with a comprehensively rigged election with direct and clear evidence of wrongdoing

2) Shills on a forum claiming that the culprits should finish the term

3) Attacking the people rising up demanding justice and the due process that was/is being visibly subverted

You either understand justice or you dont.
You either understand that a system has to be respected by all sides or you dont.
Yet to cry murder when one party reacts to the clear and open injustice and wrong only shows one's own moral bankruptcy and hypocrisy. And makes plain you do not understand Islam -

The concept wherein has always been a central aspect of Islam, mentioned 256 times in the Book.

O you who believe, stand firmly for justice.
 

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