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"His is a stunning story, worthy of being told to younger generations who seek easy roads in life"

This person who accompanied FM Shah Mehmood Qureshi on recent visit to China is the Chief of General Staff (CGS) of Pakistan Army Lt Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza.

Lt Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza had not even a single family member in this world when he joined Pakistan Army.

He was an orphan & for that reason, the blank space in front of "Next Of Kin" column in his service file was filled with "8 Sindh Regiment"the name of his parent is unit / battalion in Army. He once said that I have no other person & family member in this world except my unit 8 Sindh Regiment & Pakistan Army.

Today, the same person who had no one in this world is CGS of Pakistan Army which is the senior most appointment after Army Chief.

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This also witnesses how much army sticks to merit and principles.
 

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🌟Captain Kashan Ali Shaheed 131L/C ex 28 SR, who was injured during fire encounter with Indian Army on LOC, embraced martyrdom in CMH Kharian.

He was a Ghazi of war against terrorism & recipient of "Army Chief's Commendation Card" for his services during counter terrorism operations in erstwhile FATA. Salute to his parents. Pakistan 🇵🇰 Zindabaad.
 

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🌟Captain Kashan Ali Shaheed 131L/C ex 28 SR, who was injured during fire encounter with Indian Army on LOC, embraced martyrdom in CMH Kharian.

He was a Ghazi of war against terrorism & recipient of "Army Chief's Commendation Card" for his services during counter terrorism operations in erstwhile FATA. Salute to his parents. Pakistan 🇵🇰 Zindabaad.
Any idea whether it was random or they picked him out?
 

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🌟Captain Kashan Ali Shaheed 131L/C ex 28 SR, who was injured during fire encounter with Indian Army on LOC, embraced martyrdom in CMH Kharian.

He was a Ghazi of war against terrorism & recipient of "Army Chief's Commendation Card" for his services during counter terrorism operations in erstwhile FATA. Salute to his parents. Pakistan 🇵🇰 Zindabaad.
CMH Kharian is like a hub of medical services. The Burn center and all.
This officer had to be brought back from LOC to Kharian. The medical facilities near frontlines have to provide extensive services, not just possessing first aid and Minor OTs.
 

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Chief of Army Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa called on Prime Minister Imran Khan in Islamabad today (Monday).

According to Prime Minister Office, Director-General of Inter-Services Intelligence Lieutenant General Faiz Hamid was also present during the meeting.
 

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Myths and facts about the Pakistan army

By Masud Ahmad Khan , Brig (retd )


Often pseudo intellectuals, liberals and proponents of anti-army sentiment make exaggerated claims while referring to the army’s budget, foreign policy and its welfare organisations. The myth about the budget is that Pakistan’s army takes the lion share of the entire defence budget. Pakistan’s armed forces is the sixth largest army in the world but its expenses per soldier are the lowest. Americans spend nearly four lac dollars per soldier, India spends 25,000 dollars and Pakistan only 10,000 dollars. The United States has the largest defence budget followed by China and Saudi Arabia. The Indian defence budget is 20 billion dollars but never made it an issue in Indian politics and in the case of Pakistan, the total budget is around 7 billion dollars.

According to Farrukh Saleem, a financial analyst, Pakistan’s military expenditure on a per capita basis is actually one of the lowest on the face of the planet. Israel spends 2000 dollars on a per capita basis and Pakistan spends just 22 dollars per capita. He further explained that in the budget of 2020-21, “Defence affairs and services has been allocated Rs.1289 billion out of total budgetary expenses of Rs.7295 billion. What this means is that defence comprises 17.67 percent of total expenses and non-defence related”. Some percentage of the budget allocated to the army is also utilised for the purpose of nation building through the construction of hospitals, schools and the development of infrastructure in remote areas.


The second myth is that the army makes the foreign policy of the country and retains a dominant influence over the security policies of the country. The army is one of the vital organs of the state but is subservient to the political government. The main objective of Pakistan’s foreign policy is to protect its territorial integrity and national security from an external threat. India and Afghanistan are central corners of the country’s foreign policy and the main threat remains from India.

In the past even during martial law regimes, the army did not dominate the foreign policy which was run by bureaucrats. It is only national security which necessitates the involvement of armed forces. Pakistan’s army supplements the foreign office with its input in areas of interest only when asked by the foreign office. It is the civil government which makes the foreign policy with strategic understanding with its armed forces. Our army is considered to be an effective institution in the country which remains within the boundaries of the role defined in the constitution of the country.

Another myth is that the army is running a business empire and there is no accountability. Ayesha Siddiqa, in her book, tried to portray the army as an organisation involved in running business rather than the defence of the country. The sole intention of writing the book was to malign armed forces and the book is based on lies and false assumptions. She tried to create friction amongst the general public and also cause dissent among the ranks. She frequently writes for Indian newspapers and appears on Indian electronic media to spew venom against the army and ISI.

Pakistan’s army has remained the most well-managed, disciplined and responsive institution of the country which, besides ensuring the defence of the country, also helps the government in various fields. It has made positive contributions in remote areas of the country like Gilgit-Baltistan, FATA, Chitral and Balochistan through the construction of roads, education facilities, medical facilities and water supply schemes. The army plays an important role in nation building through its organisations like the Fauji Foundation (FF), Army Welfare Trust (AWT), Frontier Works Organisation (FWO), and the National Logistic Cell (NLC).

The Army Welfare Trust generates funds for the welfare and rehabilitation of orphans and widows of Shuhada (martyrs). The welfare projects also create employment opportunities for retired and disabled armed forces personnel. The Fauji Fertiliser (FFC) is one of the highest tax payers in Pakistan and according to a report in 2019, the FFC paid rupees 42 billion in taxes and duties.

Another myth is that generals take up top civilian posts. This narrative was again raised by Ayesha Siddiqa and anti-army elements. One is not commissioned into the Pakistani army as a general but instead he has to pass through a process. Some of the general officers appointed on some posts have delivered according to the best of their abilities and that is acknowledged by everyone. All the appointments in civil departments are done on a merit basis as armed forces officials can manage civilian institutions effectively. Imran Khan made it clear, in an interview, that the army had never asked him to appoint any person to any position and all those military persons working in different organisations were appointed on merit.

There are anti-army media cells and social media brigades of political parties that systematically campaigned against the army and its top brass. They upload misleading posts and fake news to malign the army by using offensive language against military leadership when all that is happening is that they are giving sacrifices for the nation on a daily basis. Ridiculing Pakistan’s army and senior officers in the name of freedom of speech is not acceptable.

According to Stephen Cohen’s book, “There are armies that guard their nation’s border and there are those that are occupied with protecting their own position in society and there are those that defend a cause or idea, the Pakistan army does all three”. The citizen should not engage in any activity that would cause damage to the prestige and reputation of the Pakistani army. Let us not forget the situation in Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iraq and Yemen. It is our army which is keeping this country together. Pakistan’s army today is a professional and operationally responsive force and its leadership at all levels is professional, competent and battle hardened.
 

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Myths and facts about the Pakistan army

By Masud Ahmad Khan , Brig (retd )


Often pseudo intellectuals, liberals and proponents of anti-army sentiment make exaggerated claims while referring to the army’s budget, foreign policy and its welfare organisations. The myth about the budget is that Pakistan’s army takes the lion share of the entire defence budget. Pakistan’s armed forces is the sixth largest army in the world but its expenses per soldier are the lowest. Americans spend nearly four lac dollars per soldier, India spends 25,000 dollars and Pakistan only 10,000 dollars. The United States has the largest defence budget followed by China and Saudi Arabia. The Indian defence budget is 20 billion dollars but never made it an issue in Indian politics and in the case of Pakistan, the total budget is around 7 billion dollars.

According to Farrukh Saleem, a financial analyst, Pakistan’s military expenditure on a per capita basis is actually one of the lowest on the face of the planet. Israel spends 2000 dollars on a per capita basis and Pakistan spends just 22 dollars per capita. He further explained that in the budget of 2020-21, “Defence affairs and services has been allocated Rs.1289 billion out of total budgetary expenses of Rs.7295 billion. What this means is that defence comprises 17.67 percent of total expenses and non-defence related”. Some percentage of the budget allocated to the army is also utilised for the purpose of nation building through the construction of hospitals, schools and the development of infrastructure in remote areas.


The second myth is that the army makes the foreign policy of the country and retains a dominant influence over the security policies of the country. The army is one of the vital organs of the state but is subservient to the political government. The main objective of Pakistan’s foreign policy is to protect its territorial integrity and national security from an external threat. India and Afghanistan are central corners of the country’s foreign policy and the main threat remains from India.

In the past even during martial law regimes, the army did not dominate the foreign policy which was run by bureaucrats. It is only national security which necessitates the involvement of armed forces. Pakistan’s army supplements the foreign office with its input in areas of interest only when asked by the foreign office. It is the civil government which makes the foreign policy with strategic understanding with its armed forces. Our army is considered to be an effective institution in the country which remains within the boundaries of the role defined in the constitution of the country.

Another myth is that the army is running a business empire and there is no accountability. Ayesha Siddiqa, in her book, tried to portray the army as an organisation involved in running business rather than the defence of the country. The sole intention of writing the book was to malign armed forces and the book is based on lies and false assumptions. She tried to create friction amongst the general public and also cause dissent among the ranks. She frequently writes for Indian newspapers and appears on Indian electronic media to spew venom against the army and ISI.

Pakistan’s army has remained the most well-managed, disciplined and responsive institution of the country which, besides ensuring the defence of the country, also helps the government in various fields. It has made positive contributions in remote areas of the country like Gilgit-Baltistan, FATA, Chitral and Balochistan through the construction of roads, education facilities, medical facilities and water supply schemes. The army plays an important role in nation building through its organisations like the Fauji Foundation (FF), Army Welfare Trust (AWT), Frontier Works Organisation (FWO), and the National Logistic Cell (NLC).

The Army Welfare Trust generates funds for the welfare and rehabilitation of orphans and widows of Shuhada (martyrs). The welfare projects also create employment opportunities for retired and disabled armed forces personnel. The Fauji Fertiliser (FFC) is one of the highest tax payers in Pakistan and according to a report in 2019, the FFC paid rupees 42 billion in taxes and duties.

Another myth is that generals take up top civilian posts. This narrative was again raised by Ayesha Siddiqa and anti-army elements. One is not commissioned into the Pakistani army as a general but instead he has to pass through a process. Some of the general officers appointed on some posts have delivered according to the best of their abilities and that is acknowledged by everyone. All the appointments in civil departments are done on a merit basis as armed forces officials can manage civilian institutions effectively. Imran Khan made it clear, in an interview, that the army had never asked him to appoint any person to any position and all those military persons working in different organisations were appointed on merit.

There are anti-army media cells and social media brigades of political parties that systematically campaigned against the army and its top brass. They upload misleading posts and fake news to malign the army by using offensive language against military leadership when all that is happening is that they are giving sacrifices for the nation on a daily basis.

According to Stephen Cohen’s book, “There are armies that guard their nation’s border and there are those that are occupied with protecting their own position in society and there are those that defend a cause or idea, the Pakistan army does all three”. The citizen should not engage in any activity that would cause damage to the prestige and reputation of the Pakistani army. Let us not forget the situation in Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iraq and Yemen. It is our army which is keeping this country together. Pakistan’s army today is a professional and operationally responsive force and its leadership at all levels is professional, competent and battle hardened.
Even the United States which gives is veterans some of the highest value and regards today - does not hold to the bold. The military isn’t some holy cow and the good Brig. has essentially demolished his entire argument sith just this sentence.

There are incompetent, corrupt or a combination of both military officers and to not highlight them or their decisions is a disservice to everyone who serves.
 

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Even the United States which gives is veterans some of the highest value and regards today - does not hold to the bold. The military isn’t some holy cow and the good Brig. has essentially demolished his entire argument sith just this sentence.

There are incompetent, corrupt or a combination of both military officers and to not highlight them or their decisions is a disservice to everyone who serves.
I might be off-topic, but IMHO, if you were a competent officer in the Pakistan armed forces, you shouldn't have trouble doing well after you retire.

My dad actually left the PAF earlier than he was supposed (and surrendered both his pension and DHA savings), but transitioned to the Qatari MoD and then to the private sector (in IT) in Canada (and Qatar again).

It wasn't just him either. I remember ex-PAF officers in Qatar transitioning to Boeing, Bombardier, Deloitte, PW&C, and other places with ease.

However, every one of those individuals had a criticism for the PAF (and the armed forces as a whole). That is extremely telling that the officers who are the "strong administrators" and "more competent than civilians" are the ones who generally left early and criticize HQs.

My point is, genuinely capable officers don't need a lot of the support they're getting from the budget or incessant national prestige. Yes, there are those who are injured or disabled, and they absolutely need the help. But the majority do not IMHO.

We can't be "better administrators" or whatever, and then rely on more benefits than civilians -- can't have it both ways.
 
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Gen Ayub greatest then Gen Zia.
A racist who amplified the Bengali disenchantment and politically moved against the Mother of Pakistan through ethnic manipulation and vote fraud

and then a “Islamic” leader who empowered terrorists and introduced corruption and nepotism into the military on a scale heretofore unseen

Good Pakistani choices
I might be off-topic, but IMHO, if you were a competent officer in the Pakistan armed forces, you shouldn't have trouble doing well after you retire.

My dad actually left the PAF earlier than he was supposed (and surrendered both his pension and DHA savings), but transitioned to the Qatari MoD and then to the private sector (in IT) in Canada (and Qatar again).

It wasn't just him either. I remember ex-PAF officers in Qatar transitioning to Boeing, Bombardier, Deloitte, PW&C, and other places with ease.

However, every one of those individuals had a criticism for the PAF (and the armed forces as a whole). That is extremely telling that the officers who are the "strong administrators" and "more competent than civilians" are the ones who generally left early and criticize HQs.

My point is, genuinely capable officers don't need a lot of the support they're getting from the budget or incessant national prestige. Yes, there are those who are injured or disabled, and they absolutely need the help. But the majority do not IMHO.

We can't be "better administrators" or whatever, and then rely on more benefits than civilians -- can't have it both ways.
There is no place for independent thinking in the Pakistani military in the traditional sense. Most reformists and good officers have to wait until it is their time in power to put changes into affect. Those that leave simply don’t have the patience (and a lot, a lot is needed) to wait the system out.

The current admin is still being fairly pragmatic considering the challenges they face. Perhaps there are changes to the structure being made which we are unaware of and will the fruition of those in 10 years.

On the side note - check out Mondays with Mover’s latest interview; treasure trove of R&D history.
 
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Myths and facts about the Pakistan army

By Masud Ahmad Khan , Brig (retd )


Often pseudo intellectuals, liberals and proponents of anti-army sentiment make exaggerated claims while referring to the army’s budget, foreign policy and its welfare organisations. The myth about the budget is that Pakistan’s army takes the lion share of the entire defence budget. Pakistan’s armed forces is the sixth largest army in the world but its expenses per soldier are the lowest. Americans spend nearly four lac dollars per soldier, India spends 25,000 dollars and Pakistan only 10,000 dollars. The United States has the largest defence budget followed by China and Saudi Arabia. The Indian defence budget is 20 billion dollars but never made it an issue in Indian politics and in the case of Pakistan, the total budget is around 7 billion dollars.

According to Farrukh Saleem, a financial analyst, Pakistan’s military expenditure on a per capita basis is actually one of the lowest on the face of the planet. Israel spends 2000 dollars on a per capita basis and Pakistan spends just 22 dollars per capita. He further explained that in the budget of 2020-21, “Defence affairs and services has been allocated Rs.1289 billion out of total budgetary expenses of Rs.7295 billion. What this means is that defence comprises 17.67 percent of total expenses and non-defence related”. Some percentage of the budget allocated to the army is also utilised for the purpose of nation building through the construction of hospitals, schools and the development of infrastructure in remote areas.


The second myth is that the army makes the foreign policy of the country and retains a dominant influence over the security policies of the country. The army is one of the vital organs of the state but is subservient to the political government. The main objective of Pakistan’s foreign policy is to protect its territorial integrity and national security from an external threat. India and Afghanistan are central corners of the country’s foreign policy and the main threat remains from India.

In the past even during martial law regimes, the army did not dominate the foreign policy which was run by bureaucrats. It is only national security which necessitates the involvement of armed forces. Pakistan’s army supplements the foreign office with its input in areas of interest only when asked by the foreign office. It is the civil government which makes the foreign policy with strategic understanding with its armed forces. Our army is considered to be an effective institution in the country which remains within the boundaries of the role defined in the constitution of the country.

Another myth is that the army is running a business empire and there is no accountability. Ayesha Siddiqa, in her book, tried to portray the army as an organisation involved in running business rather than the defence of the country. The sole intention of writing the book was to malign armed forces and the book is based on lies and false assumptions. She tried to create friction amongst the general public and also cause dissent among the ranks. She frequently writes for Indian newspapers and appears on Indian electronic media to spew venom against the army and ISI.

Pakistan’s army has remained the most well-managed, disciplined and responsive institution of the country which, besides ensuring the defence of the country, also helps the government in various fields. It has made positive contributions in remote areas of the country like Gilgit-Baltistan, FATA, Chitral and Balochistan through the construction of roads, education facilities, medical facilities and water supply schemes. The army plays an important role in nation building through its organisations like the Fauji Foundation (FF), Army Welfare Trust (AWT), Frontier Works Organisation (FWO), and the National Logistic Cell (NLC).

The Army Welfare Trust generates funds for the welfare and rehabilitation of orphans and widows of Shuhada (martyrs). The welfare projects also create employment opportunities for retired and disabled armed forces personnel. The Fauji Fertiliser (FFC) is one of the highest tax payers in Pakistan and according to a report in 2019, the FFC paid rupees 42 billion in taxes and duties.

Another myth is that generals take up top civilian posts. This narrative was again raised by Ayesha Siddiqa and anti-army elements. One is not commissioned into the Pakistani army as a general but instead he has to pass through a process. Some of the general officers appointed on some posts have delivered according to the best of their abilities and that is acknowledged by everyone. All the appointments in civil departments are done on a merit basis as armed forces officials can manage civilian institutions effectively. Imran Khan made it clear, in an interview, that the army had never asked him to appoint any person to any position and all those military persons working in different organisations were appointed on merit.

There are anti-army media cells and social media brigades of political parties that systematically campaigned against the army and its top brass. They upload misleading posts and fake news to malign the army by using offensive language against military leadership when all that is happening is that they are giving sacrifices for the nation on a daily basis. Ridiculing Pakistan’s army and senior officers in the name of freedom of speech is not acceptable.

According to Stephen Cohen’s book, “There are armies that guard their nation’s border and there are those that are occupied with protecting their own position in society and there are those that defend a cause or idea, the Pakistan army does all three”. The citizen should not engage in any activity that would cause damage to the prestige and reputation of the Pakistani army. Let us not forget the situation in Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iraq and Yemen. It is our army which is keeping this country together. Pakistan’s army today is a professional and operationally responsive force and its leadership at all levels is professional, competent and battle hardened.
Should have done a fact check before publishing the article, but strong point conveyed nonetheless.
 

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COAS Bajwa visits Lahore Garrison to address officers on security situation
  • He apprised the officers of the latest developments on the eastern border and the situation in occupied Kashmir, the statement said.
  • The army chief said that the people of Kashmir, as well as of the region at large "deserve peace".

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Chief of Army Staff General Qamar Jawed Bajwa visited Lahore Garrison on Thursday where he discussed "his vision of an enduring peace within Pakistan and the region".

According to a statement by Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), General Bajwa's address was focused on professional matters, internal and external security situation of the country.




 

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On Monday, Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa visited Kharian Garrison.

According to a statement issued by the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), the COAS attended the ongoing War Game of the Central Command.

Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa commended innovativeness of military planners to cope up with the mounting challenges and ensure impregnability of country's defence.

He also interacted with officers and appreciated their professionalism, operational readiness and commitment to defend motherland in the face of conventional and non-conventional threats.

The army chief also praised them for their high morale and indomitable spirit.

COAS was received by Commander Central Command Lieutenant General Shaheen Mazhar Mehmood at Kharian Garrison.
 

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