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Population is not the criteria of a powerful army....else Nigeria, Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh have far more population than UK, Japan, US, Russia etc...

Population is a criteria for the ranking since if total war happened, some fraction of the population will be militarized.

And any way, Malaysia only has 32 million people while Japan 126 million
 

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Even if Pakistan was at 3rd or 5th place, would it matter. This is just a list.

There is an open conflict along LOC which needs a bloody solution. Both India and Pakistan know that taking full region of kashmir is next to impossible given the dynamics of the region, time frame and politics of the world, yet both will employ thousands of troops facing each other along LOC. If Pakistan and China take Kashmir, then PA's strength would automatically drop. At least 3 x infantry divisions can be disbanded straightaway. However, the opposite has occurred since 2000's. Army has expanded, so have Rangers and FC. PAF and PN have raised new squadrons. The deterrence of Nuke wasn't enough. Pakistan was too slow to make nuke considering that East Pak was thousands of miles away. A nuke could have saved 1971 debacle. Currently, with a strong ground force and a formidable Air force, its not easy to cut off sindh or Sialkot sector from the rest of Pakistan. Then there are back ups through tactical nuke, long range CM/BM, force multipliers in the air and ground, an ever increasing reserve force, newer/modern armored vehicles and a stockpile of ammunition made locally.

So whats next ? Both countries are hesitant to take the first step to start full blown out war. The Kashmir issue will linger on. Pakistan cant force its way into kashmir where as India is slowly losing its battle in Baluchistan especially after Yadav's capture. Leaders of both countries are not far sighted neither thorough in their calculations to make the right moves. The cabinet which works under them is even more incompetent and massively greedy for personal benefits on top of that. Whenever a critical national situation comes up, a comedy of errors start to spring from all sides.

Pakistan can’t invade Kashmir but Pakistan can make Kashmir hell for Indians. If our establishment supports Kashmiri mujahideen india will be brought to its knees in Kashmir. If our establishment let Pakistanis cross loc and do jihad in Kashmir they can bring Indians to their knees there. Our establishment can free Kashmir and make it hell for Indians.
If our establishment grew some guts and supported resistance in Kashmir and allowed Pakistanis to go to Kashmir to do jihad they can cut off Kashmir from india. Kashmir valley is mostly Muslim and Kargil is mostly Shia Muslim. India can’t invade kargil with tanks and even their whole military will be pretty much useless in the mountains there. How long can india survive in Kashmir if mujahideen cut off Indians from Kashmir valley and Kargil and Ladakh and Siachen? How can india go to war with Pakistan when Kashmir isn’t in their control?
If our establishment wanted they can create a Taliban type movement in Kashmir and Kargil terrain is no different then the mountainous terrain of Afghanistan. In Pakistan you’ll have hundreds of thousands even millions of fighters ready to do jihad in Kashmir. But our establishment doesn’t allow it. Musharraf let india fence Kashmir and destroy the uprising.
Saying “Pakistan can’t take Kashmir” is all excuses nothing more. You yourself said india is failing in Balochistan. If india can create hell for us in Balochistan why can’t we do the same in Assam in Manipur in Mizoram in Nagaland in Punjab. Assam has a big Muslim population and borders Bangladesh which has a huge Muslim population too that’s ready to do jihad. Myanmar is full of weapons and fighters who’ll fight for their Nagaland and mizoram brothers. And weapons ammunition and explosives won’t be a issue if TTP and terrorists in FATA could locally make heavy weapons with light engineering locally make explosives with fertilizers locally make ammunition then anyone in India can. Gaza which has a massive Israeli Egyptian blockade on it can manage to have manpads atgms rockets and all types of heavy weapons then why can’t rebels and mujahideen in India.
Funding and economy shouldn’t be a excuse either none these countries which fight proxy war use their money they earn the money through mining through drugs and other means. Taliban funded their whole 20 year resistance with mining and opium.
Our establishment is full of excuses that’s all.
If Kashmiri mujahideen groups like Peoples Anti Facist Front can cause heavy casualties to Indians in poonch and be heavily armed and well trained without any foreign help then imagine what could be done if our establishment grew a pair of balls and supported them.
Sanctions aren’t a excuse either every country uses proxies if we have a strong foreign policy we can avoid sanctions and make it hell for india In almost every of their state.
Truth is our establishment doesn’t care and our political leadership full of incompetents and corrupts.
If we truly wanted to free Kashmir we can easily.
Look at how sleeper cells operate in different countries even in Pakistan. If we have sleeper cells in India and they do daily attacks and at least cause 50 casualties a day we’ll make india stuck in a long hard counter insurgency war. If it’s all over India, india can’t even do big military operations since it’s sleeper cells.
Our establishment is full of excuses nothing more.
Kashmir can be free if our establishment actually cared about it.
 

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The border small incidents do matter?

Do i need to post taliban vedios?
So when you loose territory ( Golan Valley)that small incident ok I didn't know that. You can post Taliban video we been looking after them for 40 years and we treating them as brothers. They are our Muslim brothers we have dispute we solve it as brothers. You guys not our brothers we will drink your blood soon.
 

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So when you loose territory ( Golan Valley)that small incident ok I didn't know that. You can post Taliban video we been looking after them for 40 years and we treating them as brothers. They are our Muslim brothers we have dispute we solve it as brothers. You guys not our brothers we will drink your blood soon.

Lost when and where?

It was an already disputed territory and Inda was not having full control. Both armies used to patrol on no man lands but now..

now, Some Areas control by India and some by China ........ Both countries claim the remaining parts of each other.

Now, It is considered lost of India because unable to patrol on other parts. But i don't because even before it was a disputed areas and were not fully controlled by india.


You guys are not our brothers we will drink your blood soon:-).....
-Taliban will help to take Kashmir,
- CHina takes the revenge
.... Unsure what PAK amry doing then?
 
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Lost when and where?

It was an already disputed territory and Inda was not having full control. Both armies used to patrol on no man lands but now..

now, Some Areas control by India and some by China ........ Both countries claim the remaining parts of each other.

Now, It is considered lost of India because unable to patrol on other parts. But i don't because even before it was a disputed areas and were not fully controlled by india.


You guys are not our brothers we will drink your blood soon:-).....
-Taliban will help to take Kashmir,
- CHina takes the revenge
.... Unsure what PAK amry doing then?
We have been told centuries ago what's going to come and we believe in that prophecy as we believe light after dark. And it's not just Kashmir to take, for your information whole Hind will be submitted to will of Almighty. For now you can laugh but will see who has the last laugh.
 

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Against no. 2 , we have Ladakh an Arunachal pradesh.

Against no. 9, we have jammu and Kashmir..
* Against No.9, you lost half of Kashmir
*Against No.2, you lost half of what was left of Ladakh from No.9
*Against No.2, you lost NEFA but it was returned as a gesture of peace

Of course, I don't expect you to know this because in India it is illegal to not depict these territories as part of India in any map, unless you want a $15,000,000 fine and jail.

I personally think it'll be hilarious for some clueless Indian tourists to try to cross the LoC and be told they need a Pakistani visa to enter.
 

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We have strong Artillery
Modern tank fleet ( VT 4 and AK series
Modern defence systems (HQ 9P ,Hq 16, CAMM ER)
Strong fighter jet fleet (4th&4.5 gen.fleet)
Good fleet of submarines
Good fleet of surface warships
Modern Ballistic Missiles
Modern Cruise missiles

We have enough man power to fight.
And we have nuclear weapons man.
Why you think why are not strong militarily just because you saw some random pics of soldiers.
Pakistan’s military remains underrated in the world of Hollywood driven hype. Yet, it is a the only military, besides that of the United States’, that has conducted successful multi-Corps level operations (each corps is 40,000 plus troops!) in the past two decades and also carried out special forces operations at unprecedented scale (including one where an entire brigade of Special Forces, which is about 2400 Special Forces operators, conducted air assault via helicopters against a built up militant dominated area). The last time such a scale was seen was in the Vietnam war when the US deployed its air assault infantry in various operations.

These operations conducted by Pakistan require very intricate planning and the combined arms tactics are not easy to pull off yet the results clearly show that Pakistan is one of a very limited number of countries to have successfully beaten back a large scale insurgency. That speaks to the high training standards and morale of those in uniform.

Also, Pakistan is the only country in the contemporary history that has fought an air battle with a near peer adversary, which happens to be 6 times larger than Pakistan, in a very complex air environment (with force multipliers like AEWC/IFR, 4th generation plus aircraft, BVR missiles, complex air defense systems) and to come out on top.

All of the above are clear indications that Pakistan’s military does deliver and is able to hold its own in a very tough neighborhood.
 

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It's in the nature of some to look for negativity amongst any positivity, grab defeat from the jaws of a victory. The very kind who never think twice before burning buses, setting alight petrol pumps and banks.
Ridiculing self is just part of fun for them.
Well said bro.

I hate these self hating Pakistanis so much they really piss me off.
This a weakness among our people. We must give credit where due. Get rid of this inferiority complex. Looking at pictures says nothing about a military. Dude just said big but not very advanced. It is among top 10 but not very advanced. MashAllah what logic....
 

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Population is not the criteria of a powerful army....else Nigeria, Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh have far more population than UK, Japan, US, Russia etc...
It is not a criteria but it helps to have a big "manpower". Also Malaysia population is only 32 million.
 

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