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The Russian helicopters are no more expensive than the AH-1Z that Pakistan initially set out to buy, there are very minor differences in price. AH-1Z is technologically the most advanced attack helicopter in service anywhere at the moment, though it has a smaller payload than the Apache, when it comes to electronics and tech it’s at least half a generation ahead. And Pakistan had no trouble affording that.

Price is not the real issue with Russian helicopters, if Pakistan wants that option is always open. It’s just that Z10ME might prove to be better logistically. Russians already sold us Mi35M and almost sold us Pantsir.
AH-1Z actually hold due payment issue American refuse pay from FMS or support funds and ask to pay full for those 12 helis, which we cant afford or willing to pay .. they got freezed.

Remaining about russian are will give helis , but look at order of Mi 35 , 5 intially now 4 or 5 just follow up order .. is just lack of funds that way PAA going in small numbers of order s
 

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AH-1Z actually hold due payment issue American refuse pay from FMS or support funds and ask to pay full for those 12 helis, which we cant afford or willing to pay .. they got freezed.

Remaining about russian are will give helis , but look at order of Mi 35 , 5 intially now 4 or 5 just follow up order .. is just lack of funds that way PAA going in small numbers of order s
Again, not a lack of funds. There is no such issue. PAA literally has 1.5 Billion USD waiting for those T129s.

AH1Z order was blocked more due to political issues, even if FMS was granted they would not be delivered since all major arms sales to Pakistan were blocked by Trump.

Mi-35 has a very particular use, it does not make much sense to induct them in large numbers anyways, more are on their way regardless, they will be here in due time. They are late because the follow up order was simply placed late. 5 are already here, the follow up order will be 5 or more. That’s all that are needed.

If money was the real issue those T129s would never be ordered, because Pakistan planned to pay for them in full in a 1.5 Billion USD deal, not to mention VT-4 acquisition, FD-2000 and Pantsir acquisition, so in and so forth. Money doesn’t seem to be the issue.
 
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Can you explain this as I've heard it quite a few times.
Mi35 is possibly the only helicopter that can really be defined as an “assault helicopter”. Helicopters of that size class are generally designed for only one of two things, Transport or attack.
Theres helicopters on both extremes, like the AH-1 and the UH-1, The Mi28 and the Mi17, the Augusta Westland and the Puma. Basically every country has an attack helicopter and a transport helicopter.

Mi35 is the perfect balance between those two roles, it’s armed and armored (its fuselage is armored to take 12.7mm rounds and it’s cockpit and titanium rotor mounts can withstand upto 20mm cannon rounds) like an attack helicopter and can transport troops like a transport helicopter. It has armor and armament like attack helicopters so it Take can take and give a beating but at the same time it is very fast. Despite its size and unassuming shape it holds several speed records because it is extremely agile and has powerful engines (from the much bigger Mi17). And at the same time it can carry small teams of troops, usually SF (it has a capacity of 8 troops, or stretchers, even cargo).
So it’s not the best attack helicopter, as it has a lower payload than dedicated ones, and it’s not the best transport helicopter, as it can’t transport as many soldiers as dedicated ones, but it’s the perfect balance between them. It can do both roles when needed but the specific role I mentioned for it is SF insertion and extraction while also providing air cover, MEDEVAC from Hot areas, clearing its own landing zones etc, for these tasks you’d conventionally need both types of helos, this can do it alone.

Some other helicopters have tried to replicate this, like the American Blackhawk and the IAR330 (armed version of the Puma), but both of those being purpose built for transport are better at that role and only have armaments as secondary roles or lose a lot of other capabilities when armed.
 
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Again, not a lack of funds. There is no such issue. PAA literally has 1.5 Billion USD waiting for those T129s.

AH1Z order was blocked more due to political issues, even if FMS was granted they would not be delivered since all major arms sales to Pakistan were blocked by Trump.

Mi-35 has a very particular use, it does not make much sense to induct them in large numbers anyways, more are on their way regardless, they will be here in due time. They are late because the follow up order was simply placed late. 5 are already here, the follow up order will be 5 or more. That’s all that are needed.

If money was the real issue those T129s would never be ordered, because Pakistan planned to pay for them in full in a 1.5 Billion USD deal, not to mention VT-4 acquisition, FD-2000 and Pantsir acquisition, so in and so forth. Money doesn’t seem to be the issue.
As per info i have, those 1.5 Billion dollors were arranged from loan taken even from turkish bank for 30 T129s and terms of this loan was very good ... No hard cash from Pakistan was involved in the deal
 
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Again, not a lack of funds. There is no such issue. PAA literally has 1.5 Billion USD waiting for those T129s.

AH1Z order was blocked more due to political issues, even if FMS was granted they would not be delivered since all major arms sales to Pakistan were blocked by Trump.

Mi-35 has a very particular use, it does not make much sense to induct them in large numbers anyways, more are on their way regardless, they will be here in due time. They are late because the follow up order was simply placed late. 5 are already here, the follow up order will be 5 or more. That’s all that are needed.

If money was the real issue those T129s would never be ordered, because Pakistan planned to pay for them in full in a 1.5 Billion USD deal, not to mention VT-4 acquisition, FD-2000 and Pantsir acquisition, so in and so forth. Money doesn’t seem to be the issue.
1.5 billion $$ is Turkish line of credit from Turkey it's theior money not PAA
 

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As per info i have, those 1.5 Billion dollors were arranged from loan taken even from turkish bank for 30 T129s and terms of this loan was very good ... No hard cash from Pakistan was involved in the deal
Pakistan should use this money for something else like wheeled armoured cars or UCAV or more Miljem Corvettes money is available can use it for something else and meantime wait for ATAK 2 to grow
 

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Pakistan should use this money for something else like wheeled armoured cars or UCAV or more Miljem Corvettes money is available can use it for something else and meantime wait for ATAK 2 to grow
Valid points, best item available and preforming well are turkish drones.. they will add large edge in PAA and PAF .. if we considered good numbers of turkish drones

These drone can takeup role attack helos is some situations
 

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Valid points, best item available and preforming well are turkish drones.. they will add large edge in PAA and PAF .. if we considered good numbers of turkish drones

These drone can takeup role attack helos is some situations
Agree along turkish armoured vehicles for western borders with 1.5 billions we can have huge numbers of trucks to patrol for attack Helis I still look Russian option MI35 and Mi28 we also have light attack fennec Helis for very high attitudes attack plus Mi28 MI35 and Mi17 has same engine easy to repair and maintain
 

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Not Mi-35, T-129 or Z-10ME will be the next delivered helicopter, but more Airbus H125s (AS350B3e).
Currently their Marseille factory is working on them and test flights of the have been taking place.
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Sir any idea how many of these we have ?? Plus armed Fennecs i.e all variants ??? before these or after these ???
 

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Mi35 is possibly the only helicopter that can really be defined as an “assault helicopter”. Helicopters of that size class are generally designed for only one of two things, Transport or attack.
Theres helicopters on both extremes, like the AH-1 and the UH-1, The Mi28 and the Mi17, the Augusta Westland and the Puma. Basically every country has an attack helicopter and a transport helicopter.

Mi35 is the perfect balance between those two roles, it’s armed and armored (its fuselage is armored to take 12.7mm rounds and it’s cockpit and titanium rotor mounts can withstand upto 20mm cannon rounds) like an attack helicopter and can transport troops like a transport helicopter. It has armor and armament like attack helicopters so it Take can take and give a beating but at the same time it is very fast. Despite its size and unassuming shape it holds several speed records because it is extremely agile and has powerful engines (from the much bigger Mi17). And at the same time it can carry small teams of troops, usually SF (it has a capacity of 8 troops, or stretchers, even cargo).
So it’s not the best attack helicopter, as it has a lower payload than dedicated ones, and it’s not the best transport helicopter, as it can’t transport as many soldiers as dedicated ones, but it’s the perfect balance between them. It can do both roles when needed but the specific role I mentioned for it is SF insertion and extraction while also providing air cover, MEDEVAC from Hot areas, clearing its own landing zones etc, for these tasks you’d conventionally need both types of helos, this can do it alone.

Some other helicopters have tried to replicate this, like the American Blackhawk and the IAR330 (armed version of the Puma), but both of those being purpose built for transport are better at that role and only have armaments as secondary roles or lose a lot of other capabilities when armed.
Mi35 cabin is very very tight it is very tough to squeeze in 8 soldiers as claimed in the specs.
 

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Agree along turkish armoured vehicles for western borders with 1.5 billions we can have huge numbers of trucks to patrol for attack Helis I still look Russian option MI35 and Mi28 we also have light attack fennec Helis for very high attitudes attack plus Mi28 MI35 and Mi17 has same engine easy to repair and maintain
MI 28 is best option and proven helos as per there performance ... question agian on which financial term we can get them
 

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Again, not a lack of funds. There is no such issue. PAA literally has 1.5 Billion USD waiting for those T129s.

AH1Z order was blocked more due to political issues, even if FMS was granted they would not be delivered since all major arms sales to Pakistan were blocked by Trump.

Mi-35 has a very particular use, it does not make much sense to induct them in large numbers anyways, more are on their way regardless, they will be here in due time. They are late because the follow up order was simply placed late. 5 are already here, the follow up order will be 5 or more. That’s all that are needed.

If money was the real issue those T129s would never be ordered, because Pakistan planned to pay for them in full in a 1.5 Billion USD deal, not to mention VT-4 acquisition, FD-2000 and Pantsir acquisition, so in and so forth. Money doesn’t seem to be the issue.
No it does not. The source of T129s was going to be Turkey. Pakistan has no such funds sitting around. We would have paid back the loan in installments.
 

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