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Is Dragoon the same as M117?How many Dragoons do we have and where are they used?
Dragoon and M1117 share the same underpinnings, hence they looks the same (ie their "ancestor" is the same) But the Dragoon is lighter and less advance than the M1117, it lacks a V-shaped hull (compare the anterior pictures of both and you'll see the M1117 wheels jutting out) it also lacks advance composite armour among other goodies as well. The M1117 is a proper purpose built MRAP, built specifically to take an IED or mine to the face and walk away.

I'm not sure who exactly uses the Dragoon, but I'd bet it's with the ASF guys. (Don't quote me on this one.)
Maybe someone more knowledgeable can tell you.
 

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Pakistan still using the outdated m113 is a shame we need to start considering more modern options turkey has some excellent ones and so does ukraine in both categories tracked and wheeled we need to scrap the idea off battle taxis when modern options can do more whilst being battle taxis
 

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You mean the M1117? In that case zero
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Pakistan still using the outdated m113 is a shame we need to start considering more modern options turkey has some excellent ones and so does ukraine in both categories tracked and wheeled we need to scrap the idea off battle taxis when modern options can do more whilst being battle taxis
Its not easy to replace the 4000+ M113s and its derivatives in service. Upgrade package would be nice though , but even the US national guard still uses M113 and replacement for that is coming slow and in limited orders. The only solution would be to partially replace or induct new IFVs.
 

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Its not easy to replace the 4000+ M113s and its derivatives in service. Upgrade package would be nice though , but even the US national guard still uses M113 and replacement for that is coming slow and in limited orders. The only solution would be to partially replace or induct new IFVs.
I'm guessing the number are too less. I looked around and found Peshawar Police having a unit.
 

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BTw might be off-topic but one private Pakistani company with the collaboration of HIT exhibited HAMZA 6x6 and 8x8 MRAP few years back ... did we ever conduct their testing and evaluation or not .... ??
If you are talking about Cavalier group guys.

Stay away from them.

They defaulted on guarantee liability of a bank last year for a civilian project (done by group company with same sponsors).

They owe hundreds of millions.

Shady guys.
 

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Our establishment is just ripe with corruption these idiots can get the m113 turkish upgrade package which will make our 3000 plus stock even more deadly and turn them into proper ifvs instead of the tin cans we operate all it takes is a rpg to blow one up All thanks to the corrupt HIT
 

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Our establishment is just ripe with corruption these idiots can get the m113 turkish upgrade package which will make our 3000 plus stock even more deadly and turn them into proper ifvs instead of the tin cans we operate all it takes is a rpg to blow one up All thanks to the corrupt HIT
Only if they care for our poor soldiers, HiT is a big question mark
 

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Dragoon project is a disaster. A poor decision which was primarily meant to fill up pockets in military and ministry of interior.

Are you organizing a cat walk for armored vehicles? Since when the 'beauty' became a criteria for armored vehicles? In military, if a vehicle is ugly, but gets the job done with in the economic brackets, then its the right vehicle.
Might be referring to the higher ground clearance and ‘V’ shaped hull that have come to define many MRAP designs vs APC designs.
 

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Our establishment is just ripe with corruption these idiots can get the m113 turkish upgrade package which will make our 3000 plus stock even more deadly and turn them into proper ifvs instead of the tin cans we operate all it takes is a rpg to blow one up All thanks to the corrupt HIT
Two different roles:
1. Battle Taxi: Primary role to transport troops into combat zones

2. IFV: Primary role is to act in support/complement tanks in armored formations along with troop transport.

You are unlikely to see all APC’s replaced with IFV’s given the cost and the fact that the PA may not see any need for huge numbers of IFV’s supporting tanks.

This has nothing to do with corruption or incompetence - it is purely a PA assessment of whether the investment in significant numbers of IFV’s is justifiable, and the advantages significant enough, given the PA’s war fighting doctrine.
 

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Two different roles:
1. Battle Taxi: Primary role to transport troops into combat zones

2. IFV: Primary role is to act in support/complement tanks in armored formations along with troop transport.

You are unlikely to see all APC’s replaced with IFV’s given the cost and the fact that the PA may not see any need for huge numbers of IFV’s supporting tanks.

This has nothing to do with corruption or incompetence - it is purely a PA assessment of whether the investment in significant numbers of IFV’s is justifiable, and the advantages significant enough, given the PA’s war fighting doctrine.
That said, the PA is toying with the idea of IFVs. E.g., the Viper concept, which tried leveraging the production line we have for Talha/M113. The PA hasn't committed to the Viper, but there's likely a CONOPS somewhere and a staff requirement.
 

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