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I had earlier suspected that the US was deliberately pushing Afghanistan towards chaos and civil war as well as creating troubles for Pakistan. However, I was not completely sure and hence I expressed some hopes regarding the possibility of peace and stability in Afghanistan in my column as well as in different talk shows.

But unfortunately, the recent events in Afghanistan – over the past few days – and the interviews of Afghan President Dr Ashraf Ghani and former Afghan president Hamid Karzai with the German Magazine Der Spiegel transformed my doubts into the firm conviction that the United States is deliberately undermining prospects of peace and stability in the region.

At the end of the Taliban’s three-day ceasefire on Eidul-Fitr, they resumed their violent offensive against the Afghan forces all over Afghanistan; this is indeed unprecedented, at least in the last ten to fifteen years. The Taliban's offensives were already underway in the southern and eastern parts of Afghanistan, and now they have launched fierce battles in the Kunduz province in the far north and the Jawzjan province in the far west of Afghanistan. Moreover, they have also started battles in the Nuristan and Badakhshan provinces in the northeast along the border of China, Pakistan and Tajikistan.

Currently, the Taliban’s offensive against the Afghan forces is in full swing in different parts of more than twenty provinces of Afghanistan. The Taliban even attacked Mihtarlam – the 16th largest city in the Laghman province – which has been comparatively a very peaceful city in the last few years. As a result of the Taliban’s current battles, innocent Afghans have become refugees in different parts of the country.

Displaying a feeling of betrayal and helplessness, Afghan President Ashraf Ghani complained about American disloyalty in his interview with Der Spiegel on May 14, 2021. In the interview, he also tried to put the responsibility on Pakistan for peace and stability in Afghanistan post-US troop withdrawal – stating that “the US now plays only a minor role. The question of peace or hostility is now in Pakistani hands”. He also reiterated his stance on Pakistan’s so-called control over the Taliban and alleged that “Pakistan operates an organized support system. The Taliban receive logistics there, their finances are there and recruitment is there”.

Though President Ghani blames Pakistan for instability, the conditions that he has put forward for negotiation with the Taliban show that he himself is not sincere in achieving meaningful solutions to the Afghanistan crisis. He knows well that such conditions are not acceptable to the Taliban. The gist of his interview is that the Taliban do not want a peaceful solution. His government will continue to fight against the Taliban and he wants the US and Europe to help Kabul against the Taliban and to pressurize Pakistan.

Similarly, former Afghan president Hamid Karzai, in his interview with Der Spiegel on May 22, 2021, has also taken a hard line on Pakistan and blamed Islamabad for its alleged link with and support to the Taliban. However, he also indirectly gave the message that the United States would not want peace in Afghanistan. At the same time, he has expressed high hopes “for the so-called Troika Plus, a diplomatic initiative launched by Russia which also includes China and the United States”. In response to the very first question about the Taliban, Karzai says that “I realized early into my tenure as president that this war is not our conflict and we Afghans are just being used against each other" by external forces.

Referring to his meetings with former US officials such as Brzezinski, Karzai stated that the Americans themselves accept that “America was deliberately promoting radical Islamist forces in Afghanistan and the region” so that they may “create as many conflicts zones around the USSR as possible, a so-called arc of crisis”. He believes that “now, in the 21st century, it’s the United States and the new global superpower China, as well as Russia – all of which are playing out their rivalries in our country”

And it is not only Hamid Karzai who talks about the US-China rivalry but the Americans too openly consider China as their number one rival and main target. It is also crystal clear that Pakistan is a very close friend of China in the region. China, through the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), is reaching out to the Arabian Sea.

A peaceful Afghanistan will give easy access to China and Pakistan to reach Central Asia. So, China and Pakistan will be the main beneficiaries of peace and stability in Afghanistan as well as the main victims of any instability. Now the million-dollar question is: if the US could create the so-called 'arc of crisis' around the former USSR for its strategic interests, then why would it not create such an 'arc of crisis' around China and Pakistan? That will also help the US create trouble for its other two rivals: Iran and Russia.

Previously, I had clearly pointed out that the USA's tactics and pressure are creating troubles for Pakistan and causing animosity with the Taliban. One clear example is that the US itself is withdrawing from Afghanistan but asking for military bases from Pakistan.

Pakistan has neither given a military base to the US nor seems to be in any mood to give one in the near future. But, regardless, baseless claims have been spread in the American and Afghan media that Pakistan has given military bases to Pakistan. As a result, we have seen a strong reaction from the Taliban on this issue of military bases, with the group warning the regional countries of consequences.

Through the Doha agreement, the US has secured the Taliban’s guarantee that Afghan soil will not be used by Al Qaeda and others. Now the US does not care if there is chaos and bloodshed in Afghanistan and if that in turn causes trouble for China and Pakistan. Once the US troops leave, all this will not be of any concern to Washington. If 10 percent of the money that Washington was spending in Afghanistan is given to the different armed groups in Afghanistan, these groups could be easily used against any neighboring country.

In this context, my earlier suspicion has turned into a firm belief that the US deliberately has led Afghanistan into a devastating civil war. Pakistan, China, Russia, and Iran will bear the main brunt of the chaos and instability. That is why I suggest that China, Russia, Iran, and Pakistan should form a separate block and bring together Afghanistan's warring parties for meaningful reconciliation through aggressive diplomacy so as to thwart America's dangerous designs and cunning tactics.

By Saleem Safi
The writer works for Geo TV.



 

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I had earlier suspected that the US was deliberately pushing Afghanistan towards chaos and civil war as well as creating troubles for Pakistan. However, I was not completely sure and hence I expressed some hopes regarding the possibility of peace and stability in Afghanistan in my column as well as in different talk shows.
The world does not revolve around Pakistan and Afghanistan
 

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I had earlier suspected that the US was deliberately pushing Afghanistan towards chaos and civil war as well as creating troubles for Pakistan. However, I was not completely sure and hence I expressed some hopes regarding the possibility of peace and stability in Afghanistan in my column as well as in different talk shows.

But unfortunately, the recent events in Afghanistan – over the past few days – and the interviews of Afghan President Dr Ashraf Ghani and former Afghan president Hamid Karzai with the German Magazine Der Spiegel transformed my doubts into the firm conviction that the United States is deliberately undermining prospects of peace and stability in the region.

At the end of the Taliban’s three-day ceasefire on Eidul-Fitr, they resumed their violent offensive against the Afghan forces all over Afghanistan; this is indeed unprecedented, at least in the last ten to fifteen years. The Taliban's offensives were already underway in the southern and eastern parts of Afghanistan, and now they have launched fierce battles in the Kunduz province in the far north and the Jawzjan province in the far west of Afghanistan. Moreover, they have also started battles in the Nuristan and Badakhshan provinces in the northeast along the border of China, Pakistan and Tajikistan.

Currently, the Taliban’s offensive against the Afghan forces is in full swing in different parts of more than twenty provinces of Afghanistan. The Taliban even attacked Mihtarlam – the 16th largest city in the Laghman province – which has been comparatively a very peaceful city in the last few years. As a result of the Taliban’s current battles, innocent Afghans have become refugees in different parts of the country.

Displaying a feeling of betrayal and helplessness, Afghan President Ashraf Ghani complained about American disloyalty in his interview with Der Spiegel on May 14, 2021. In the interview, he also tried to put the responsibility on Pakistan for peace and stability in Afghanistan post-US troop withdrawal – stating that “the US now plays only a minor role. The question of peace or hostility is now in Pakistani hands”. He also reiterated his stance on Pakistan’s so-called control over the Taliban and alleged that “Pakistan operates an organized support system. The Taliban receive logistics there, their finances are there and recruitment is there”.

Though President Ghani blames Pakistan for instability, the conditions that he has put forward for negotiation with the Taliban show that he himself is not sincere in achieving meaningful solutions to the Afghanistan crisis. He knows well that such conditions are not acceptable to the Taliban. The gist of his interview is that the Taliban do not want a peaceful solution. His government will continue to fight against the Taliban and he wants the US and Europe to help Kabul against the Taliban and to pressurize Pakistan.

Similarly, former Afghan president Hamid Karzai, in his interview with Der Spiegel on May 22, 2021, has also taken a hard line on Pakistan and blamed Islamabad for its alleged link with and support to the Taliban. However, he also indirectly gave the message that the United States would not want peace in Afghanistan. At the same time, he has expressed high hopes “for the so-called Troika Plus, a diplomatic initiative launched by Russia which also includes China and the United States”. In response to the very first question about the Taliban, Karzai says that “I realized early into my tenure as president that this war is not our conflict and we Afghans are just being used against each other" by external forces.

Referring to his meetings with former US officials such as Brzezinski, Karzai stated that the Americans themselves accept that “America was deliberately promoting radical Islamist forces in Afghanistan and the region” so that they may “create as many conflicts zones around the USSR as possible, a so-called arc of crisis”. He believes that “now, in the 21st century, it’s the United States and the new global superpower China, as well as Russia – all of which are playing out their rivalries in our country”

And it is not only Hamid Karzai who talks about the US-China rivalry but the Americans too openly consider China as their number one rival and main target. It is also crystal clear that Pakistan is a very close friend of China in the region. China, through the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), is reaching out to the Arabian Sea.

A peaceful Afghanistan will give easy access to China and Pakistan to reach Central Asia. So, China and Pakistan will be the main beneficiaries of peace and stability in Afghanistan as well as the main victims of any instability. Now the million-dollar question is: if the US could create the so-called 'arc of crisis' around the former USSR for its strategic interests, then why would it not create such an 'arc of crisis' around China and Pakistan? That will also help the US create trouble for its other two rivals: Iran and Russia.

Previously, I had clearly pointed out that the USA's tactics and pressure are creating troubles for Pakistan and causing animosity with the Taliban. One clear example is that the US itself is withdrawing from Afghanistan but asking for military bases from Pakistan.

Pakistan has neither given a military base to the US nor seems to be in any mood to give one in the near future. But, regardless, baseless claims have been spread in the American and Afghan media that Pakistan has given military bases to Pakistan. As a result, we have seen a strong reaction from the Taliban on this issue of military bases, with the group warning the regional countries of consequences.

Through the Doha agreement, the US has secured the Taliban’s guarantee that Afghan soil will not be used by Al Qaeda and others. Now the US does not care if there is chaos and bloodshed in Afghanistan and if that in turn causes trouble for China and Pakistan. Once the US troops leave, all this will not be of any concern to Washington. If 10 percent of the money that Washington was spending in Afghanistan is given to the different armed groups in Afghanistan, these groups could be easily used against any neighboring country.

In this context, my earlier suspicion has turned into a firm belief that the US deliberately has led Afghanistan into a devastating civil war. Pakistan, China, Russia, and Iran will bear the main brunt of the chaos and instability. That is why I suggest that China, Russia, Iran, and Pakistan should form a separate block and bring together Afghanistan's warring parties for meaningful reconciliation through aggressive diplomacy so as to thwart America's dangerous designs and cunning tactics.

By Saleem Safi
The writer works for Geo TV.



Hey,
If the US infact wants to create an "arc of chaos" they will never leave the areas of Afghanistan that have low or zero taliban presence so that they can continue to create chaos. They will retain bases there, especially in those areas which our controlled by the people currently in the government.
Also, i am not against US presence on Pakistani bases as long as we sign off on targets, since all targets will be terrorists and hence Pakistan is more desperate than the US to make sure none operate from Afghanistan. You would think the US would not mind us signing off since its more important to us that no terrorist group operates there.
But it seems, considering unofficial news items, that they have a problem with us signing off on them which shows they are not sincere or honest in just targeting Terrorists and may end up blowing up a Taliban meeting which is why they want free control(which they should never get).
I also always thought the US will never leave afghanistan and its turning out to be true. Handing it over to china and russia after trillions of dollars and thousands of their own lives makes no sense unless they have been given the green light for taking on Iran.
So basically the following are the scenarios that could happen:
1) Americans leave Afghanistan and go home and all is well.
2) Americans leave Afghanistan to china and russia and attack Iran
3) Americans leave only Taliban dominated areas and stay in those areas belonging to ruling government, creating chaos.
4) Americans leave afghanistan and use bases in Pakistan, controlled by Pakistan, monitoring and advancing the peace process and also attacking terrorist groups along with Pakistan and others. Only if WE sign off.

Feel free to add more scenarios so that we can assess for ourselves the possible end result. Also, we need to understand, natural resources play ann important part in all this. If they cant get control of aghanistans resources, which country is the next target that has more resources than Afghanistan and like afghanistan not will to accommodate the US? iran?

Cheers
 

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The USA is leaving for Afganistan is providing a diminishing return compared to the investments....

Now is the time to rebuild the home base for it’s been neglected for too long, and open confrontation with China or Russia is out of the question.....
 
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This is no secret. The US/NATO adventure in Afghanistan had broader objectives. Of course destabalising Pakistan was a major goal. The good news is that the Americans and their NATO cronies failed miserably.

What is more important now, how do we move forward swiftly after US/NATO departure. Pakistan has a very critical role to play. China and Russia need to be given a passage to bring stability. Talks need to be held with the Taliban and we need to focus on trade and mineral exploration.
 

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In this context, my earlier suspicion has turned into a firm belief that the US deliberately has led Afghanistan into a devastating civil war. Pakistan, China, Russia, and Iran will bear the main brunt of the chaos and instability. That is why I suggest that China, Russia, Iran, and Pakistan should form a separate block and bring together Afghanistan's warring parties for meaningful reconciliation through aggressive diplomacy so as to thwart America's dangerous designs and cunning tactics.
This belief is incorrect. The only interest USA has in Afghanistan is to ensure it is never used again as a launching pad for attacks on the mainland. That is all, no matter how achieved. Any and all parties helping to ensure this are welcome.
 

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This belief is incorrect. The only interest USA has in Afghanistan is to ensure it is never used again as a launching pad for attacks on the mainland. That is all, no matter how achieved. Any and all parties helping to ensure this are welcome.
Somewhat true not all about CT
 

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Hey,
If the US infact wants to create an "arc of chaos" they will never leave the areas of Afghanistan that have low or zero taliban presence so that they can continue to create chaos. They will retain bases there, especially in those areas which our controlled by the people currently in the government.
Also, i am not against US presence on Pakistani bases as long as we sign off on targets, since all targets will be terrorists and hence Pakistan is more desperate than the US to make sure none operate from Afghanistan. You would think the US would not mind us signing off since its more important to us that no terrorist group operates there.
But it seems, considering unofficial news items, that they have a problem with us signing off on them which shows they are not sincere or honest in just targeting Terrorists and may end up blowing up a Taliban meeting which is why they want free control(which they should never get).
I also always thought the US will never leave afghanistan and its turning out to be true. Handing it over to china and russia after trillions of dollars and thousands of their own lives makes no sense unless they have been given the green light for taking on Iran.
So basically the following are the scenarios that could happen:
1) Americans leave Afghanistan and go home and all is well.
2) Americans leave Afghanistan to china and russia and attack Iran
3) Americans leave only Taliban dominated areas and stay in those areas belonging to ruling government, creating chaos.
4) Americans leave afghanistan and use bases in Pakistan, controlled by Pakistan, monitoring and advancing the peace process and also attacking terrorist groups along with Pakistan and others. Only if WE sign off.

Feel free to add more scenarios so that we can assess for ourselves the possible end result. Also, we need to understand, natural resources play ann important part in all this. If they cant get control of aghanistans resources, which country is the next target that has more resources than Afghanistan and like afghanistan not will to accommodate the US? iran?

Cheers
No, US military is packing off of Afghanistan because pentagon has designated China as the top priority. So they’re getting packing their shit to focus entirely on China

Trillions of Dollar is not that much for the US that they need to come up with a secret plan . During 2008 Recession US lost $10 trillion dollars and now after 12 years it’s like nothing happened
 

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In this context, my earlier suspicion has turned into a firm belief that the US deliberately has led Afghanistan into a devastating civil war. Pakistan, China, Russia, and Iran will bear the main brunt of the chaos and instability. That is why I suggest that China, Russia, Iran, and Pakistan should form a separate block and bring together Afghanistan's warring parties for meaningful reconciliation through aggressive diplomacy so as to thwart America's dangerous designs and cunning tactics.
One of multiple but forseeable scenarios. Its not like they go around half the world to wreck a tiny country posing absolutely no threat to them on its own, after they had already long been destabilizing it by less transparent means trough economic and political isolation and meddling, with just one plan. You can afford that when you have no constructive goals and only ill intentions. It correlates well with parallel operations targeting Afghanistans neighbours. Now they are leaving another problem ridden area (only to focus on creating trouble elsewhere), which without foreign aid and effort and especially with US spies and US terrorists still remaining in place, will not fully normalize within the next 10 or 20 years. In the meanwhile copy cat 5th columns and US raised proxy extremists can use it as a launching pad for US enabled and US directed terrorism in the neighbourhood and keep US so called "adversaries" occupied and distracted far away from American coastlines at the cost of international peace and stability.

On a sidenote Putin very recently cited Americas destablizing effects on Afghanistan particulary, resonating with this assessment.
 
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No, US military is packing off of Afghanistan because pentagon has designated China as the top priority. So they’re getting packing their shit to focus entirely on China

Trillions of Dollar is not that much for the US that they need to come up with a secret plan . During 2008 Recession US lost $10 trillion dollars and now after 12 years it’s like nothing happened
Okay well you know what? China ain't Taliban. Chinese military is something the US will have trouble fighting against.

 

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Okay well you know what? China ain't Taliban. Chinese military is something the US will have trouble fighting against.

The Americans won't be able to fight against China. China is of a different magnitude compared to the Taliban.
 

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