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Meengla

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The OP article is not wrong in highlighting Pakistan's role. But, in the end, it was the American 'hubris' and the 'contradictions' in the American policy in Afghanistan which had 'doomed' the chances of American success.
As for Pakistan-- it paid a very high precise for holding its ground and not compromising on Pakistan's strategic interests. But if Pakistan would have given up Afghanistan to India then ALL of Pakistan-Afghanistan border would be like ALL of Pakistan-India border!!


This NY Times article is worth reading in entirety. Some excerpts given below.



The Contradiction That Doomed America’s Mission in Afghanistan
How a series of fateful choices and lofty ambitions put Taliban defeat at odds with American victory.


It took barely two months after the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in October 2001 for the United States mission to point itself toward defeat.

“Tomorrow the Taliban will start surrendering their weapons,” the Taliban’s spokesman, Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, announced on Dec. 7, 2001. “I think we should go home.”

But the United States refused the group’s surrender, vowing to fight on to shatter the Taliban’s influence in every corner of the country.

That same week, Washington oversaw an international agreement to establish a new government in Afghanistan that would be “by some accounts the most centralized in the world,” said Frances Z. Brown, an Afghanistan expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

This left the United States pursuing dual missions — eradicating the Taliban and installing a new, highly centralized state — that were not, at least at first, irreconcilable. But a series of choices put them increasingly at odds, engineering what became a fatal contradiction into the American effort, which President Biden announced he is ending after 20 years of war.
 

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This senator is a conspiracy theorists. Lol
We never interfere in internal affairs of other countries and this is the official position of the government of Pakistan.
 

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The OP article is not wrong in highlighting Pakistan's role. But, in the end, it was the American 'hubris' and the 'contradictions' in the American policy in Afghanistan which had 'doomed' the chances of American success.
As for Pakistan-- it paid a very high precise for holding its ground and not compromising on Pakistan's strategic interests. But if Pakistan would have given up Afghanistan to India then ALL of Pakistan-Afghanistan border would be like ALL of Pakistan-India border!!


This NY Times article is worth reading in entirety. Some excerpts given below.



The Contradiction That Doomed America’s Mission in Afghanistan
How a series of fateful choices and lofty ambitions put Taliban defeat at odds with American victory.


It took barely two months after the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in October 2001 for the United States mission to point itself toward defeat.

“Tomorrow the Taliban will start surrendering their weapons,” the Taliban’s spokesman, Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, announced on Dec. 7, 2001. “I think we should go home.”

But the United States refused the group’s surrender, vowing to fight on to shatter the Taliban’s influence in every corner of the country.

That same week, Washington oversaw an international agreement to establish a new government in Afghanistan that would be “by some accounts the most centralized in the world,” said Frances Z. Brown, an Afghanistan expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

This left the United States pursuing dual missions — eradicating the Taliban and installing a new, highly centralized state — that were not, at least at first, irreconcilable. But a series of choices put them increasingly at odds, engineering what became a fatal contradiction into the American effort, which President Biden announced he is ending after 20 years of war.
what 'doom'? They screwed the Al Quaeda, killed Osama, never seen a terror attack of same scale in 20 years and plunged the country of Afghanistan into a 20 year crisis as revenge.
 

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they have slapped you a penalty of 38 Billion by putting you in FATF. You may want to sack the generals who did this
Plenty of nations have found themselves on the list. Sack the generals who cut you out of the region. No wonder you sound so salty.
 

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what 'doom'? They screwed the Al Quaeda, killed Osama, never seen a terror attack of same scale in 20 years and plunged the country of Afghanistan into a 20 year crisis as revenge.
Well, you are partially correct. Those are achievements not to be ignored. And when OBL was killed ten years ago, it was the time to declare victory and leave.

But staying on for 10 more years--blood and sweat and money! I don't know why the Americans did that? I don't want to go into the theories about containing China or targeting Pakistan's nukes. But 10 years is a long time to overstay one's welcome and leaving now when, going by almost all the chatter on the internet, is being perceived as a defeat. Why Americans not declared victory and left in 2011?? Perhaps we would never really know. But the current 'unconditional' withdrawals is even more concession to the Taliban then Trump was offering!!

You should watch Biden's video when he announced the withdrawals.
 

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Well, you are partially correct. Those are achievements not to be ignored. And when OBL was killed ten years ago, it was the time to declare victory and leave.

But staying on for 10 more years--blood and sweat and money! I don't know why the Americans did that? I don't want to go into the theories about containing China or targeting Pakistan's nukes. But 10 years is a long time to overstay one's welcome and leaving now when, going by almost all the chatter on the internet, is being perceived as a defeat. Why Americans not declared victory and left in 2011?? Perhaps we would never really know. But the current 'unconditional' withdrawals is even more concession to the Taliban then Trump was offering!!

You should watch Biden's video when he announced the withdrawals.
they screwed all the people involved for 20 years. While they built facebook and SpaceX they kept their enemies in the stone age. Trust me....they've won this. The Al Quaeda started it. The Americans are ending it.
 

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The Americans were actually the ones playing with Pakistan. Aiding and propping up Hindustani presence and influence in Afghanistan. Allowing India and its Afghan cronies to carry out attacks inside Pakistan. Supporting and providing sanctuary to TTP. Whilst blaming Pakistan for not doing enough. Pakistan was simply doing the necessary and returning the favor. I won't even mention US desire to denuclearise Pakistan and capture strategic regions like Balochistan. These Americans are living in lala land with their one-sided grievances.
Exactly knowing well Pakistan is almost at war with India some think tanks suggested to US establishment to bring India into Afghanistan to put pressure on Pakistan. What you sow what you reap.
When our FC boys were butchered by Taliban on the borders regularly and we begged for drones or attack helicopters and on the convivence of India were refused that facility, like our soldiers blood was cheaper. When India unleashed with the US nod bombing spree on our cities that was the highest level deception by US to us. We have lost 70,000 lives while US only lost 2400 who suffer the most you don't have to be mathematician. Senator losing is always painful we have buried our loved ones now you should bury your pride.
 

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What will be the consequence? Their President, Military Chief and Foreign Secretary are saying otherwise. If a member of senate’s india caucus is understandably babbling then it’s quite inconsequential.

I won’t outline it lest anyone get ideas, but it’s an influential position. I just want to leave it at that.
Why not ? It can be an area where India-Pakistan collaboration can have a new beginning.
Indian influence in Afghanistan has been toxic against Pakistan. They don’t seem to be changing their tune, so best they sit this out. Perhaps when India resolves Kashmir to the satisfaction of the Kashmiris, then transit trade could be allowed to Afghanistan as mentioned by the Pakistani Prime Minister. That is where collaboration can begin.
 

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