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the indian airforce is not puney
2000 planes, over 50 bases,and airfields,air some very fine cutting edge weapons. backed,by a strong economy and military budget and excellent relations with usa and France and close to guaranteed assistance from Russia and Israel.

we scared the shit out of China who backed,down in ladakh. your chinease masters backed down like I predicted to foolsnitemare our very own PDF cheerleader for China.

finally military capability is based on constantly evolving and improving your capability. this is,where you pakistan will.never match the Indians,not ever..
the,resource difference,and now the fast evolving indengious,weapon s we are a
inducting will place us near the top of global military might guaranteed by 2030 .
The shear depth and range of new weapons being developed even has me surprised pleasantly.
the writing is,on the wall.
Bus phir aik chart ghalat hone ki waja se baazi palat gyi 🤣
You guys still don't realize what happened that day ,you guys are looking at short term and not looking at overall picture.
There is a reason abinandhan was sent home the next day.i am surprised being a senior mod you too see things like patriot kids on the forum.
It dsnt matter how many got killed India dropping bombs or if a crow died,some thing change that day.
Lolx short term se long term wali chalange 🤣

Anyways.. Pakistan had to send him home under the Geneva Convention and yeah surely india changed its data chart that day... which maybe was a Pakistani Saajish to give indians wrong data 🤣
 

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The article clearly reflects the dysfunction of IAF against PAF; now Indian only concentrating on their efforts to pressurise other countries to sell or even let Pakistani's look at latest technologies - the fear factor.
This could only be the wish of Indians ...!
India is not only pressurising France to keep Rafale out of bound for Pakistanis. India is also spending a lot on modernising its defense forces. IAF has acquired the required BVRs and Rafales to counter the technological edge which PAF had two years back.
 

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it came up short in one engagement lasting minutes, but lost no major asset ie

it was not outgunned in war or a campaign.

in full on war Indian bigger numbers,more weapons better air,defense systems and radars,and strategic depth and difference in resources and economy will prevail..

one of engagement lasting minutes is indicator not the conclusion

I like what India is doing
s400 is more than useful it's the best in it's class
Rafale is a dream lynch pin fighter
I hear istar deal is happening
but the biggest news is Tejas and Astra bvrs and soon uttam.Aesa radars . The mix of Indian and top notch israeli French usa, technology looks very promising.

We all saw how impressively India prepared for a war with China. it's air power was on show for the world to see
c17
il76
chinooks
Apache,
su30 mki
mirage
jaguar
mig29

all. moved form base,all over the sub continent to north India.

the logistics real.time Intel poise and rapid redeployment was enough for plaaf to pack bags and go home

complaceny can be very dangerous

don't stop running on the tred mill.

because India will.keep.inducting more new systems home made and from abroad

at this moment in time pakistans answer to 15 billion dollar investments in s400 and Rafale has been 50 thunders.
that is it
talk of j10c is speculation
the,deals for Rafale and s400 were signed 4 years,ago and pakistan air Force have not done a thing to answer the new evolving threat
Just keep on bragging about your shopping list, like many other Indians were doing on this forum for the last many years. Few batteries of HQ-9s and PL-15s mounted on hardpoints of thunders would keep your planners busy to go for another shopping spree for another decade for a so called 2 front war..!. At the end you have to agree that PAF on this very moment can surprise your authorities anywhere anytime within in fraction of few seconds.
 

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Surpassing US and Russia. Sorry for the typo.
when you get j10c or j11 or type 52 guided missle destroyers or t99 main tanks from China then we,talk

thunders,is not latest chinease tech and neither is the frigates,they sell you.

regarding f16 you would give your arms to get a few second f16 never mind block 70 they offered,to India. Alas usa is firmly in modi camp and offers you nothing yet is,selling India,whatever it wants.ironically it's India saying no we don't want hornets or f16 especially deeming them not necessary

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The Chinese air to air missiles are beating USA range wise. The PL-15 or latest variants on JF-17 will out range the US missiles.
Again read carefully I didn't say they surpass completely the US tech . I said in some aspects. In the past we didn't have that advantage but these days China is not that old china which cheap copied everything. Say thanks to their multi billion dollars research and investment on military .
 

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India should have imposed sanctions on Obama and Bush US regime officials for supplying such advanced missiles to Pakistan like this AMSRAAM.
Its a 20th century law, black arses are in no position to put any sanctions on any other shades other then themselves. Indians should know their level before farting either you haven't got much of the education or lack in the grey matter.
 

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India should have imposed sanctions on Obama and Bush US regime officials for supplying such advanced missiles to Pakistan like this AMSRAAM.
Clearly another "Indian" flying the flags of the country he wished he belonged to. Why PDF allows such obvious false flaggers is a curiosity in itself
 

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Poor little Indians, what did they think that America supplied CFTs to fly circuits inside Pakistan and AMRAAMs to target terrorists caves. Everything is meant to punish India.

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Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

By Shishir Gupta, New Delhi
PUBLISHED ON FEB 27, 2021 06:52 AM IST

When the French President’s diplomatic advisor Emmanuel Bonne landed in India for a strategic dialogue on January 7, one of the key asks from the Indian Air Force was that the Rafale fighter’s technology, especially its missile capability, be kept away from Pakistan.

India conveyed to Bonne that even though Dassault Aviation, manufacturer of Rafale fighter, is selling the omni-role platform Rafale to Qatar, Paris should ensure that no Pakistani-origin person is given access to the plane by Doha.
Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters. India sought these iron clad guarantees after it burnt its fingers during Pakistani Air Force retaliation on February 27, 2019, a day after the Balakot strike.
On that day, Pakistan reneged on its promise to the Americans that it would only use F-16 aircraft in the war against terror and not against India. It was an 75-km range air-to-air AIM-120-C-5 missile, fired from a Pakistani F-16, that brought down Wing Commander Abhinandan’s Mig-21 Bison interceptor
on the Line of Control in the Rajouri-Mendhar sector.


According to former Air Force Chiefs and Air Marshals, had the Indian Air Force not practised with the premise that Pakistan would use F-16 and beyond visual range missiles against India, more Indian fighters would have been knocked down on that day. “We were very clear that Pakistan would use the F-16 against us and hence we practised to keep IAF fighters beyond what is called dynamic attack zone 1 and 2 or D-Max 1 and 2 of the AIM-120C air to air missile,” said a top IAF official who asked not to be named.
D-Max-1 refers to a range where a missile can “secure a kill” provided the opponent doesn’t engage in manoeuvring, and D-Max-2, a no escape zone from the incoming missile even after “all manoeuvring”, added this officer.


The Pentagon had previously assured India that Islamabad would not use the F-16 or the missiles against India. It conveyed the message to India after New Delhi requested Washington to put a software lock on the missile so that it cannot be used against India.
The Indian concern over the long range missile was raised by Air Marshal AK Gogoi as Director General (Air Operations) with the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen in Washington in September 2010. It was raised again during the visit of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in August 2016 with US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter in no uncertain terms. But all this came to no avail two years ago when Pakistan used the missile against Wing Commander Abhinandan's MiG-21 on Feb 27, 2019.


Analysts say that the F-16 incident may have well forced the Indian Air Force to acquire the Meteor missile for Rafale. The no escape zone of this missile is way beyond the missiles carried by US or Chinese aircraft flown by the Pakistani air force.


Yah. The USA sold us AIM-120 to fight against "terrorists"...
 

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To equip those new F-16s, the Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of:

  • 500 AIM-120C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)
  • 12 AMRAAM training missiles – these have seeker warheads but lack engines
  • 200 AIM-9M-8/9 Sidewinder Short-Range Air-Air Missiles; they are the version before the fifth-generation AIM-9X.
  • 240 LAU-129/A Launchers – these support AMRAAM or Sidewinder missiles.
  • 500 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Guidance Kits: GBU-31/38 Guided Bomb Unit (GBU) kits
  • 1,600 Enhanced Paveway GBU-12 (500 lb.) and GBU-24s (2,000 lb.) with dual laser/GPS guidance
  • 800 MK-82 500 pound General Purpose (GP) and MK-84 2,000 pound GP bombs
  • 700 BLU-109 2,000 pound bunker-buster
    external link
    bombs with the FMU-143 Fuse
  • Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability will also be provided.
look war on taliban weapons purchase :lol:


  • 7 spare F100-PW-229 EEP or F110-GE-129 IPE engines (F100-PW-229 EEP selected)
  • 7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets
    external link

  • 36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
  • 36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II
  • 36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs) that fit along the aircraft’s sides to give them extra range
  • 36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals; see tactical uses of MIDS-LVT Link 16 systems
  • 36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems
  • 36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
  • 36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites: ALQ-211 AIDEW without Digital Radio Frequency Memory (picked); or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM.
  • 1 Unit Level Trainer
 

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My question to Indians.

Do you really think USA would sell us F-16 and along with F-16's 500 Air to Air missile to fight terrorists ?
Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

By Shishir Gupta, New Delhi
PUBLISHED ON FEB 27, 2021 06:52 AM IST

When the French President’s diplomatic advisor Emmanuel Bonne landed in India for a strategic dialogue on January 7, one of the key asks from the Indian Air Force was that the Rafale fighter’s technology, especially its missile capability, be kept away from Pakistan.

India conveyed to Bonne that even though Dassault Aviation, manufacturer of Rafale fighter, is selling the omni-role platform Rafale to Qatar, Paris should ensure that no Pakistani-origin person is given access to the plane by Doha.
Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters. India sought these iron clad guarantees after it burnt its fingers during Pakistani Air Force retaliation on February 27, 2019, a day after the Balakot strike.
On that day, Pakistan reneged on its promise to the Americans that it would only use F-16 aircraft in the war against terror and not against India. It was an 75-km range air-to-air AIM-120-C-5 missile, fired from a Pakistani F-16, that brought down Wing Commander Abhinandan’s Mig-21 Bison interceptor
on the Line of Control in the Rajouri-Mendhar sector.


According to former Air Force Chiefs and Air Marshals, had the Indian Air Force not practised with the premise that Pakistan would use F-16 and beyond visual range missiles against India, more Indian fighters would have been knocked down on that day. “We were very clear that Pakistan would use the F-16 against us and hence we practised to keep IAF fighters beyond what is called dynamic attack zone 1 and 2 or D-Max 1 and 2 of the AIM-120C air to air missile,” said a top IAF official who asked not to be named.
D-Max-1 refers to a range where a missile can “secure a kill” provided the opponent doesn’t engage in manoeuvring, and D-Max-2, a no escape zone from the incoming missile even after “all manoeuvring”, added this officer.


The Pentagon had previously assured India that Islamabad would not use the F-16 or the missiles against India. It conveyed the message to India after New Delhi requested Washington to put a software lock on the missile so that it cannot be used against India.
The Indian concern over the long range missile was raised by Air Marshal AK Gogoi as Director General (Air Operations) with the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen in Washington in September 2010. It was raised again during the visit of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in August 2016 with US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter in no uncertain terms. But all this came to no avail two years ago when Pakistan used the missile against Wing Commander Abhinandan's MiG-21 on Feb 27, 2019.


Analysts say that the F-16 incident may have well forced the Indian Air Force to acquire the Meteor missile for Rafale. The no escape zone of this missile is way beyond the missiles carried by US or Chinese aircraft flown by the Pakistani air force.

And you think USA sold us F-16 and Air to Air missiles to fight Taliban. :hitwall: :hitwall: :hitwall: :hitwall:
 

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So American took promise from Pakistan that the f16 and amraam won't be used on India

Was it pinky promise or or spit on palm handshake

Indians make up so much bs that they really start to believe in it ;)
maybe it was over a milk shot and france-india is over holy cow juice shot!
 

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the indian airforce is not puney
2000 planes, over 50 bases,and airfields,air some very fine cutting edge weapons. backed,by a strong economy and military budget and excellent relations with usa and France and close to guaranteed assistance from Russia and Israel.

we scared the shit out of China who backed,down in ladakh. your chinease masters backed down like I predicted to foolsnitemare our very own PDF cheerleader for China.

finally military capability is based on constantly evolving and improving your capability. this is,where you pakistan will.never match the Indians,not ever..
the,resource difference,and now the fast evolving indengious,weapon s we are a
inducting will place us near the top of global military might guaranteed by 2030 .
The shear depth and range of new weapons being developed even has me surprised pleasantly.
the writing is,on the wall.
Nobody can match Indians when it comes to spewing BS.

Nobody!
 

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Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

By Shishir Gupta, New Delhi
PUBLISHED ON FEB 27, 2021 06:52 AM IST

When the French President’s diplomatic advisor Emmanuel Bonne landed in India for a strategic dialogue on January 7, one of the key asks from the Indian Air Force was that the Rafale fighter’s technology, especially its missile capability, be kept away from Pakistan.

India conveyed to Bonne that even though Dassault Aviation, manufacturer of Rafale fighter, is selling the omni-role platform Rafale to Qatar, Paris should ensure that no Pakistani-origin person is given access to the plane by Doha.
Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters. India sought these iron clad guarantees after it burnt its fingers during Pakistani Air Force retaliation on February 27, 2019, a day after the Balakot strike.
On that day, Pakistan reneged on its promise to the Americans that it would only use F-16 aircraft in the war against terror and not against India. It was an 75-km range air-to-air AIM-120-C-5 missile, fired from a Pakistani F-16, that brought down Wing Commander Abhinandan’s Mig-21 Bison interceptor
on the Line of Control in the Rajouri-Mendhar sector.


According to former Air Force Chiefs and Air Marshals, had the Indian Air Force not practised with the premise that Pakistan would use F-16 and beyond visual range missiles against India, more Indian fighters would have been knocked down on that day. “We were very clear that Pakistan would use the F-16 against us and hence we practised to keep IAF fighters beyond what is called dynamic attack zone 1 and 2 or D-Max 1 and 2 of the AIM-120C air to air missile,” said a top IAF official who asked not to be named.
D-Max-1 refers to a range where a missile can “secure a kill” provided the opponent doesn’t engage in manoeuvring, and D-Max-2, a no escape zone from the incoming missile even after “all manoeuvring”, added this officer.


The Pentagon had previously assured India that Islamabad would not use the F-16 or the missiles against India. It conveyed the message to India after New Delhi requested Washington to put a software lock on the missile so that it cannot be used against India.
The Indian concern over the long range missile was raised by Air Marshal AK Gogoi as Director General (Air Operations) with the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen in Washington in September 2010. It was raised again during the visit of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in August 2016 with US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter in no uncertain terms. But all this came to no avail two years ago when Pakistan used the missile against Wing Commander Abhinandan's MiG-21 on Feb 27, 2019.


Analysts say that the F-16 incident may have well forced the Indian Air Force to acquire the Meteor missile for Rafale. The no escape zone of this missile is way beyond the missiles carried by US or Chinese aircraft flown by the Pakistani air force.

But but but ..... Pakistan used the f-16 to fight the terrorist forces of India , the Indian military in Kashmir fits the American definition of terrorism!

U.S. Army Manual definition terrorism is the "calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear. It is intended to coerce or intimidate governments or societies ... [to attain] political, religious, or ideological goals." U.S. Army Field Manual No.

 

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Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

By Shishir Gupta, New Delhi
PUBLISHED ON FEB 27, 2021 06:52 AM IST

When the French President’s diplomatic advisor Emmanuel Bonne landed in India for a strategic dialogue on January 7, one of the key asks from the Indian Air Force was that the Rafale fighter’s technology, especially its missile capability, be kept away from Pakistan.

India conveyed to Bonne that even though Dassault Aviation, manufacturer of Rafale fighter, is selling the omni-role platform Rafale to Qatar, Paris should ensure that no Pakistani-origin person is given access to the plane by Doha.
Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters. India sought these iron clad guarantees after it burnt its fingers during Pakistani Air Force retaliation on February 27, 2019, a day after the Balakot strike.
On that day, Pakistan reneged on its promise to the Americans that it would only use F-16 aircraft in the war against terror and not against India. It was an 75-km range air-to-air AIM-120-C-5 missile, fired from a Pakistani F-16, that brought down Wing Commander Abhinandan’s Mig-21 Bison interceptor
on the Line of Control in the Rajouri-Mendhar sector.


According to former Air Force Chiefs and Air Marshals, had the Indian Air Force not practised with the premise that Pakistan would use F-16 and beyond visual range missiles against India, more Indian fighters would have been knocked down on that day. “We were very clear that Pakistan would use the F-16 against us and hence we practised to keep IAF fighters beyond what is called dynamic attack zone 1 and 2 or D-Max 1 and 2 of the AIM-120C air to air missile,” said a top IAF official who asked not to be named.
D-Max-1 refers to a range where a missile can “secure a kill” provided the opponent doesn’t engage in manoeuvring, and D-Max-2, a no escape zone from the incoming missile even after “all manoeuvring”, added this officer.


The Pentagon had previously assured India that Islamabad would not use the F-16 or the missiles against India. It conveyed the message to India after New Delhi requested Washington to put a software lock on the missile so that it cannot be used against India.
The Indian concern over the long range missile was raised by Air Marshal AK Gogoi as Director General (Air Operations) with the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen in Washington in September 2010. It was raised again during the visit of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in August 2016 with US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter in no uncertain terms. But all this came to no avail two years ago when Pakistan used the missile against Wing Commander Abhinandan's MiG-21 on Feb 27, 2019.


Analysts say that the F-16 incident may have well forced the Indian Air Force to acquire the Meteor missile for Rafale. The no escape zone of this missile is way beyond the missiles carried by US or Chinese aircraft flown by the Pakistani air force.

This article author does not know what he is talking about. If PAF would not be using F-16 and AMraams against India then who would they use it against? Taliban donot have any airforce and Amraam cannot be used for ground targets. So if any guarantee was provided by USA to India, then India was a fool to believe that.
When did france upgrade Pakistani's mirages?
 

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When the French President’s diplomatic advisor Emmanuel Bonne landed in India for a strategic dialogue on January 7, one of the key asks from the Indian Air Force was that the Rafale fighter’s technology, especially its missile capability, be kept away from Pakistan.

India conveyed to Bonne that even though Dassault Aviation, manufacturer of Rafale fighter, is selling the omni-role platform Rafale to Qatar, Paris should ensure that no Pakistani-origin person is given access to the plane by Doha.
Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan
I know nothing about weapons system and even I know that weapons countries buy will be used in case they are needed.

Aviation International News reported in February about the delivery of the first of 36 Rafale fighter jets for the small Gulf sheikdom of Qatar. In addition to giving details about the weapons, sensors and cost of the Qatari Rafale contracts, Aviation International News also described the training aspects. Aviation International News reported, “The first batch of pilots trained for Qatar in November 2017 were Pakistani exchange officers.”

Air Recognition, part of a group of websites based in Belgium, reported in 2015 that the weapons for Qatar's Rafale jets would include 140 Scalp cruise missiles, 300 MICA medium-range air-to-air missiles and 160 Meteor long-range missiles. All three weapon types have been ordered by the Indian Air Force.
 

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