Perhaps Turkey will go for a western/domestic engine and Pakistan would go for a Chinese engine, as it already operates the WS-10 on the J-10? Also, Pakistan procuring the T-FX doesn’t mean it doesn’t also want to induct an export variant of the J-35. The PAF has 75 F-16s to eventually replace as well as hundreds of Mirages, F-7s, and older JF-17s by the time these two 5th generation fighters could be available for procurement.I doubt PAF want the saga of engine restricted project like T-129K again. TF-X engine re export is a big question mark. Not to mention domestic engine is even a bigger question mark.
The Turkish ventures are dependent on provision of engines which are ITAR free. This remains a bugbear for acquisition of Turkish platforms. PAA has been stung badly by the T129 fiasco to be drawn in unless:Hi you can’t be sure about TFX as a heart set now im not saying PAF ont be able to get it but j35 looks like will be more matured then the TFX as China already have knowledge and know how to operate a 5th generation
bit it all depend when China is really ready to start its export as they might need these for their ACCs before really start exporting them
I’m sure same is the case with Turkish they want to raise their own couple of squads before the fighter is eligible for serial production that’s like if it’s asap in 2026?
your input will be appreciated if you have some better knowledge about TFX production
ps @Hakikat ve Hikmet
Hi tah is for your detailed reply I’m totally agreed with your point A about t129 fiasco about your part B I’m hopeful about j/35 maturity in a year or two max as China has to field one of the stealth on their ACCs in quick manner being a holder of a stealth fighter already I’m sure they will live up to their mark of getting operational the second one asap now PAF or PN problem will arise more once F18 or Rafale on Indian ACC coz J10 can’t be able to handle that much pressure from both side of Indian armThe Turkish ventures are dependent on provision of engines which are ITAR free. This remains a bugbear for acquisition of Turkish platforms. PAA has been stung badly by the T129 fiasco to be drawn in unless:
A. The Turk brothers are successful in manufacturing engines in house within the next decade/providing an ITAR free engine.
B. PAF can acquire an engine which can be incorporated within the PAF TFX. Till this time PAF will test everything under the sun and if the F31/35 reaches maturity and fits PAF requirements, it will go for it.
Like what? Replacing US turboshaft with Turkey made and deliver the T129K to PA? Those small turbofan which even Iran has demonstrated to made are nothing compare to heavy helo or fighter jets engine needed.All of which Turkey is demonstrating that it has or is getting ...
It would be a good choice for PAF to cooperate with PLAAF to develop a land-based version of J-35.PAF wanting a totally 5th generation airforce can only happen in a time when basically 5th generation fighters are next in line to be retired in the same way J-7 production stopped and airframes are getting retired. To have full 5th gen airforce means retiring even 4th gen fighters which many airforces in the world still don't even have.
It would be a good choice for PAF to cooperate with PLAAF to develop a land-based version of J-35.
Maybe PLA Air Force and navy wanna induct land version of J35.It would be but Pakistan doesn't have the funding to pay SAC to finish development of FC-31 into a land based fighter. J-35 is a totally different fighter. What's available for sale is FC-31 which is a basis of J-35 but the cost to go from FC-31 to J-35 or from FC-31 to JF-xy for Pakistan is going to be enormous and surely China is not paying for another's fighter.
Even if Pakistan wanted to do this, is it smart to let a friend spend money it shouldn't be spending on a fighter it doesn't quite need?
India has no 5th generation fighters.