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MultaniGuy

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Last bit of american influence on Pakistan disappeared now ?

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Not only USA is our top export market. We have trade surplus with US. That means we import much less stuff from US then we export. They still can influence us with economy. If they put duties on our export materials or deny entry we are doomed. We are in trade deficit with China massively.

I am sure, you are aware out IT industry almost solely run on US clients.

Secondly, don't you think PAF still needs US for maintenance, if not upgradation for 75 F-16s. These F-16s are currently most capable platform in the our service.

Lastly, we are over dependent on US technologies which we overlook. From computer processing units to GPS, everything is property of USA. I have thrown details in some other thread don't want to repeat all over but I disagree with the analysis that procuring J-10Cs will completely remove US influence. Yes it may reduce it a bit.. but completely remove? Not a chance until we become economically & technologically independent.

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I hope China replaces USA as Pakistan's largest export partner.
 

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I hope China replaces USA as Pakistan's largest export partner.
Not possible for the foreseeable future. You have to understand the “nature” of a country before making childish pro china “bhai bhai” statements.

China is no angel, We are in a debt trap in the longer run. Chinese influence at the moment is more than we ever should have wished for and what you are saying would be a death trap for Pakistan just like USA has been for 5 decades.
 

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Not possible for the foreseeable future. You have to understand the “nature” of a country before making childish pro china “bhai bhai” statements.

China is no angel, We are in a debt trap in the longer run. Chinese influence at the moment is more than we ever should have wished for and what you are saying would be a death trap for Pakistan just like USA has been for 5 decades.
Perhaps you are right. We should seek a balance for Pakistan's interests.
However there were many times USA had betrayed us. Why should we trust USA.

China is a rising power in the world. Why should we not join China as they become the world's largest economy.
Eventually China will eclipse USA as the world's largest economy.
 

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The other area I want to address is multi-role capabilities of J-10. It has not been used as a multi-role aircraft within PLAAF due to the presence of flankers.
J-10 was born an A2A fighter (hi-speed interceptor in Soviet/NK terminology), but such role has long been taken over by J-11B and J-20, which have extended such role into long range air superiority, stealth penetration to hit enemy AWAC etc. Of course J-10 can perform good aerial combat if such situation arise, but that has just become one of its many "multi-roles".

In recent years J-10 was drilled hard for A2G, just check the pics posted above by @Deino and @lcloo. With lower demand for maintenance and runway, J-10 can be deployed closer to battlefields for fast response, and can carry out low altitude penetration (hence no need for passive LO or active electronic suppression) especially over favorable terrains. Imagine missions like striking a mobile radar, a bunker or a ballistic missile TEL hiding in the mountains. J-10's agility champs all PLAAF peers, PLAAF won't fly the heavy flankers into low altitude at night (& adverse weather) unless it's required in a long range mission beyond reach of J-10, let alone J-20.
 
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J-10 was born an A2A fighter (hi-speed interceptor in Soviet/NK terminology), but such role has long been taken over by J-11B and J-20, which have extended such role into long range air superiority, stealth penetration to hit enemy AWAC etc. Of course J-10 can perform good aerial combat if such situation arise, but that has just become one of its many "multi-roles".

In recent years J-10 was drilled hard for A2G, just check the pics posted above by @Deino and @lcloo. With lower demand for maintenance and runway, J-10 can be deployed closer to battlefields for fast response, and can carry out low altitude penetration (hence no need for passive LO or active electronic suppression) especially over favorable terrains. Imagine missions like striking a mobile radar, a bunker or a ballistic missile TEL hiding in the mountains. J-10's agility champs all PLAAF peers, PLAAF won't fly the heavy flankers into low altitude at night (& adverse weather) unless it's required in a long range mission beyond reach of J-10, let alone J-20.
Aside from J-20 (which is limited in numbers), the only fighter jet comparable to J-10C in air superiority/interceptor role within PLAAF is J-16. That's why PAF is bringing it in for the Rafale threat. There is a lot of speculation about J-11D. I don't see why that particular variant is needed when J-16 is such a complete package.

Of course, J-10C can perform ground attack, tactical strikes, SEAD and EW type of roles, but PLAAF has a much better aircraft for that in j-16. Before J-16 came, it was JH-7A doing most of that role. Range + payload does a make difference in these things. With PAF, it's main competition for this would be JF-17. As long as PAF is willing to make the investment, I think J-10C would be the best platform for this.
 

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Hi,

Doing deals with the US is not a problem---. The issue is that majority of nations do not know how to talk to the americans---.

American parliament basically has CAR SALESMAN'S mentality. They are truly the best of the best car salesmen that you would ever come across in your lifetime---so---in order to deal with them---you need to learn to sell your self better---.

If you were a history buff---you would understand that some nations have farmer mentality---some have warrior mentality and some have both---and some have separate warrior class and a separate farmer class---.

Nations who had a separate warrior class are very poor deal makers---like Japan---.

The western nations OTOH were farmers / warrior class---both put in one---.
and america leads them at the top---a true warrior / farmer class nation---.

True warrior dominant nations do not know how to make deals---their ego gets in the way---and true farmer class nations do not know how to take a stand and when to hammer the nail full blast---.

Americans are a nation that need to be looked in the eye and mthrfckd with a smile on your face and NO MALICE intended---. Be nice be polite be respectful---laugh and crack jokes but keep the priorities straight and foremost---.

Do not let them get away with murder and have a media cell constantly projecting your national interest---.
Then there're the Semitic races, who are 24/7 Tujjars always out for bargaining a deal, even with the GOD...
 

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Are you hinting towards something more then J-10 C ?

Think big Zarvan Bhai. I am not confirming about J-10C but a lot is happening. Bigger things at play. When Pakistan says to maintain an edge over the rival; it is not just about a single platform or one of the capabilities. Keeping an edge over the adversary means you are dominating in every department & in domain of warfare. I will ask for an apology from everyone before saying that whenever we hear a news about an equipment to be procured by any arm of Military; unfortunately very few try to see beyond the material made item. Very few try to ponder upon the capabilities, the advancing strategies and developing tactics. Very few try to look at it in a different manners such as a modern tech & working beyond than a platform. J-10C might appears to be merely a fighter aircraft but PAF is looking beyond the mere acquisition and these fruits will come to you for decades and onward. Let see if J-10C are particularly coming or not but what I am saying is that; the capability & building future defence will be witnesses in coming days or months or may take an year.
 

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Oh, I'm well prepared fo any surprise, big surprises and even more ... and I'm also happy to get corrected - in fact i would be more than happy if Pakistan would get J-16s and J-16Ds
You & me both...

But everytime someone brings up J-11, J-15 and/or J-16 in the Pakistan Air Force/Navy discussion - I can't help but shake my head :fie: .

Obviously there are those who believe in Santa (too), but when you ask them for anything short of evidence - they go off saying that we don't know jack.

The J-11, J-15 and/or J-16 discussions are as absurd as EFT, GripenNG, F-35, F/A-18, F-22 etc.
 

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