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"C" versions will give longer legs compared to other aircrafts in PAF's current inventory. More modernized EW/ECM pods are most welcome.
But the question is will US sell it to Pakistan, they do sell Sniper pods to PAF but that's pretty much it.
 

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In a SINGLE engagement that the PAF planned and executed with several assets and the best of the best of the PAF, not regular line pilots from ordinary squadrons.

The PAF also retreated the moment the IAF put nearly 20 Su-30MKIs and MiG-29UPGs in the air. Out of the 5 REK bombs dropped, 4 were recovered intact without having exploded. Only a nincompoop will say that was also done deliberately. 5 AMRAAMs were fired at Su-30MKIs, all missing.

Meanwhile, on the night of Feb 26, nearly a dozen Mirage-2000s ingressed INTO Pakistani airspace unchallenged and dropped weapons. So, while I don't expect a Pakistani forum to have any context, the facts are that shooting down a single Bison doesn't prove much.

Next time, be sure that the IAF won't be following RoEs that prevent it from firing BVRAAMs at PAF targets from across the border, the way the PAF did.

A war is not based on a single mission. Attrition will occur, several missions will fail and others will succeed. Only the force that has the depth, resources and the courage to sustain losses and continue will win a war. One battle alone doesn't matter. The real question would be how many days would PAF and IAF be able to sustain a full fledged war? It's clear which force has the greater resources at it's disposal, both of it's own as well as national resources.
:rofl:

You can write 10 more paragraphs in desperation but that is only giving us more laughs. You can not undo the humiliation PAF inflicted on your poor country by crossing into your airspace, bombing your military sites, shooting down your jets, and capturing your wing commander alive. You literally were so panicked that you shot down your own heli and killed 7 of your officers

Here, this is how world renowned defence analysts from US mock IAF

International Defence Analysts making fun of iaf.png


:lol:

Btw, here is how the world saw PAF's arse shafting of the inferior iaf

Business Insider on India's Embarrassing Failure.jpg
India lost dogfight to Pak.png
NY Times saying Pak Humiliated India.jpg
Russia Today Laughing at India blowing up its own helicopter.jpg


And you were saying? :)
 

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But the question is will US sell it to Pakistan, they do sell Sniper pods to PAF but that's pretty much it.
Block 52+ is possible if both parties are happy with payment details. Cant say about Block-72.
 

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pehla neela peela tu kood para ab dekho kitney aur atey hein bak bak kerney.
guzarish hey, in gadhon ki kisi baat ka jawab na dein.
 

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Block 52+ is possible if both parties are happy with payment details. Cant say about Block-72.
That's the whole issue, I don't think PAF wants those F-16' block 52 bad enough to pay full price for them, Block 70's 18 with possible upgrade the existing fleet to F-16V might make them think twice.
 

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In a SINGLE engagement that the PAF planned and executed with several assets and the best of the best of the PAF, not regular line pilots from ordinary squadrons.

The PAF also retreated the moment the IAF put nearly 20 Su-30MKIs and MiG-29UPGs in the air. Out of the 5 REK bombs dropped, 4 were recovered intact without having exploded. Only a nincompoop will say that was also done deliberately. 5 AMRAAMs were fired at Su-30MKIs, all missing.

Meanwhile, on the night of Feb 26, nearly a dozen Mirage-2000s ingressed INTO Pakistani airspace unchallenged and dropped weapons. So, while I don't expect a Pakistani forum to have any context, the facts are that shooting down a single Bison doesn't prove much.

Next time, be sure that the IAF won't be following RoEs that prevent it from firing BVRAAMs at PAF targets from across the border, the way the PAF did.

A war is not based on a single mission. Attrition will occur, several missions will fail and others will succeed. Only the force that has the depth, resources and the courage to sustain losses and continue will win a war. One battle alone doesn't matter. The real question would be how many days would PAF and IAF be able to sustain a full fledged war? It's clear which force has the greater resources at it's disposal, both of it's own as well as national resources.
Lols....

Not going to debunk your full shit analyzes but one....You have mention we dropped 5rek and only one succeeded to explode...right...

Your air force is showing exploded AMMRAM but why not they show failed REK?

Gangus will be gunguz all the time....
 

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In a SINGLE engagement that the PAF planned and executed with several assets and the best of the best of the PAF, not regular line pilots from ordinary squadrons.

The PAF also retreated the moment the IAF put nearly 20 Su-30MKIs and MiG-29UPGs in the air. Out of the 5 REK bombs dropped, 4 were recovered intact without having exploded. Only a nincompoop will say that was also done deliberately. 5 AMRAAMs were fired at Su-30MKIs, all missing.

Meanwhile, on the night of Feb 26, nearly a dozen Mirage-2000s ingressed INTO Pakistani airspace unchallenged and dropped weapons. So, while I don't expect a Pakistani forum to have any context, the facts are that shooting down a single Bison doesn't prove much.

Next time, be sure that the IAF won't be following RoEs that prevent it from firing BVRAAMs at PAF targets from across the border, the way the PAF did.

A war is not based on a single mission. Attrition will occur, several missions will fail and others will succeed. Only the force that has the depth, resources and the courage to sustain losses and continue will win a war. One battle alone doesn't matter. The real question would be how many days would PAF and IAF be able to sustain a full fledged war? It's clear which force has the greater resources at it's disposal, both of it's own as well as national resources.
If you read the history many times sides with fewer resources and manpower overpowered and defeated a numerically superior opponent both in terms of manpower and resources. For this, you have to include the most important factor that decides the outcome of any clash i.e. morale and human resolve to take it to the end not fleeing the field without achieving the objectives. True historians will always write the fleeing party lost the clash, only the ones blinded with patriotism will write it as a victory and award medals to the fleeing. After all, it takes a man's courage to admit a defeat and gather what's left from the beating to prepare for the next round.
 

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members here have been going on and on about basically nothing and for some reason, don't want to read the writing on the wall.
PAF does not want to pay for the 16 from its own pocket both for brand new or second-hand. they want them to come via EDA or the money that the yanks owe Pakistan under the head of CSF, which BTW runs in 10s of billions. and this holds true for the sister services as well.
Yanks offering us everything as long as we pay for it from our own pocket. Even if we pay for it from our own pocket will they be delivered! now, that's a good question, something that can only be answered once we get to that bridge.
 

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indian inventory wrong on 4 accounts

su30 mki is 260
Rafale 12,received
mig 27 none all.phased out last year
mig 21 bison 54 only now
 

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In a SINGLE engagement that the PAF planned and executed with several assets and the best of the best of the PAF, not regular line pilots from ordinary squadrons.
Didn't bother reading after the first line which itself is a horrendous misconception about PAF. All PAF fighter squadrons are flown by the best pilots, maybe IAF has ordinary squadrons and ordinary pilots, not PAF. Even though different aircraft types are operated by PAF, all the pilots have mastery over the type of aircraft they fly, be it F-16 on ADA or JF-17 and Mirage on strike sorties.
 

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More BS. 54 MIG-21s operated by 6 squadrons?

I know it's difficult for you to stomach but the wiki article has numbers,from 2019 ie 113 mig21 bison in 6 sqds,
the phased out programme was one squadron to be mothballed annually to 2025 ..
replaced by 2 sqds of tejas mark 1
and 2 new sqds,of Rafale. in nos I mean .
 

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I know it's difficult for you to stomach but the wiki article has numbers,from 2019 ie 113 mig21 bison in 6 sqds,
the phased out programme was one squadron to be mothballed annually to 2025 ..
replaced by 2 sqds of tejas mark 1
and 2 new sqds,of Rafale. in nos I mean .

today on March 1 India has the following nos

12 Rafale rising to 36 by 2022 .. 1 sqd
260 mki ..13 sqd
59 mig29 smt ..3sqd
45 mirage 2000 dash 5 .. 2 sqds
23 tejas mark1 ..1sdq
110 jaguar with 55 phased out by 2028 .. 6 sqds
54 mig21 in 3 sqds,by end if 2021 ..sqds

I make this 28 sqds,only
but the second tejas sqds has been started
and the second Rafale sqd will.be started late taking now to 30 sqds by 2022

but again fall.to 27 when the remain 59 mig21 bison go by 2024.

but again India has addressed this by pending order 21 additional.s
mig29 smt and 83 tejas mark1a start arriving 2024 to 20029.

but again 3 jaguar sqds go by 2028 so again fall.in nos in 2029

my guess by 2029n

36 Rafale ... 2
123 tejas, mark 1 and 1a...6
270 su30mki ...13
45 mirage2000 dash 5 ...3
55 jaguar darin 3 aesa upgraded ...3
80 mig29smt ...4

I make this 31 sqds
with Rafale tejas and jaguar mig29 all.carrying aesa radars,

at some point this year news of su30mki upgrade will be formally announced to super mki programme no idea.

of course,their is also talk of second Rafale order of 36 to 40 f4 version s to be ordered by 2024

let's,see
 

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I know it's difficult for you to stomach but the wiki article has numbers,from 2019 ie 113 mig21 bison in 6 sqds,
the phased out programme was one squadron to be mothballed annually to 2025 ..
replaced by 2 sqds of tejas mark 1
and 2 new sqds,of Rafale. in nos I mean .

Maybe not use Wiki (which seems to get you caught out often on this forum)

Most accurate database on the internet is here, and I admit I was wrong. It is 7 MIG-21 units, not 6! :-)


 

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