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Ordinance XX is a legal ordinance of the Government of Pakistan that was promulgated under the regime of General Zia-ul-Haq and is meant to restrict usage of Islamic terms and titles as well as religious freedom of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. This ordinance bars certain communities that are deemed non Islamic under Pakistani constitution to practice their faith and also disallowed certain minority to use any Islamic texts for praying purposes. Minorities like Ahmedis are not allowed to say Muslim greetings like Assalam Allaikum ( Peace be upon you ) or to read or write any verse of Quran.

The ordinance debars Ahmadis from the use of any honorific titles and modes of address specific to the Prophetic community (such as the greeting "As-salamu alaykum" or reciting the Six Kalimas (shahada, etc.)), from building mosques and calling the Adhan (call to prayer), from undertaking Muslim modes of worship, from worshipping in non-Ahmadi mosques or public prayer rooms, and from making any citations from the Quran and Muhammad's hadith. Punishment for anyone convicted of doing any of the above is two years imprisonment. Ahmadi claim that the ordinance criminalises the everyday life of Ahmadis. reciting the Kalima (Muslim creed) and greeting with peace in the Muslims way is a criminal offence for Ahmadis in Pakistan.

Ordinance No. XX of 1984The Gazette of PakistanIslamabad, Thursday, 26 April 1984No.F.17(1)84-Pub.

The following Ordinance made by the President is hereby published for general information:



An Ordinance to amend the law to prohibit the Quadiani group, Lahori group and Ahmadis from indulging in anti-Islamic activities


WHEREAS it is expedient to amend the law to prohibit the Quadiani group, Lahori group and Ahmadis from indulging in anti-Islamic activities:



AND WHEREAS the President is satisfied that circumstances exist which render it necessary to take immediate action:



NOW, THEREFORE, in pursuance of the Proclamation of the fifth day of July, 1977, and in exercise of all powers enabling him in that behalf, the President is pleased to make and promulgate the following Ordinance:



PART I.

PRELIMINARY



1.Short title and commencement.



(1) This Ordinance may be called the Anti-Islamic Activities of the Quadiani Group, Lahori Group and Ahmadis (Prohibition and Punishment) Ordinance, 1984.

(2) It shall come into force at once.



2.Ordinance to override orders of decisions of courts. The provisions of this Ordinance shall have effect not-withstanding any order or decision of any court.



PART II.

AMENDMENT OF THE PAKISTAN PENAL CODE(Act XLV of 1860)



3.Addition of new sections 298B and 298C, Act XLV of 1860. In the Pakistan Penal Code (Act XLV of 1860), in Chapter XV, after section 298A, the following new sections shall be added, namely: 298B. Misuse of epithets, descriptions and titles, etc., reserved for certain holy personages or places.



(1)Any person of the Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name) who by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation,



(a)refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a Caliph or companion of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as ‘Ameer-ul-Mumineen’ [Leader of the Faithful], ‘Khalifa-tul-Mumineen’ [Caliph of the Faithful], ‘Khalifa-tul-Muslimeen’ [Caliph of the Muslims], ‘Sahabi’ [Companion] or ‘Razi Allah Anho’ [May God Be Pleased With Them];



(b)refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a wife of the Holy prophet (peace be upon him), as ‘Ummul-Mumineen’ [Mother of the Faithful];



(c)refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a member of the family (Ahle-bait) of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as Ahle-bait; or



(d)refers to, or names, or calls, his place of worship as ‘Masjid’ [Mosque]; shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine.



(2) Any person of the Quadiani group or Lahori group (who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name) who by words, either spoken or written, or by visible presentation, refers to the mode or form of call to prayers followed by his faith as ‘Azan’, or recites Azan as used by the Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine.



298C. Person of Quadiani group, etc., calling himself a Muslim or preaching or propagating his faith.- Any person of the Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name) who directly or indirectly, poses himself as a Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.



PART III.-



AMENDMENT OF THE CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE, 1898 (ACT V OF 1898)



4. Amendment of section 99-A, Act V of 1898.--In the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1899 (Act V of 1898), hereinafter referred to as the said Code, in section 99-A, in subsection (1),-



(a) after the words and comma., "of that class,", the words, figures, brackets, letter and commas "or any matter of the nature referred to in clause (J) of subsection (1) of section 24 of the West Pakistan Press and Publications Ordinance, 1963," shall be inserted ; and



(b) after the figure and letter ":95-A", the words, figures and letters "or section 298-A or section 298-B or section 298-C" shall be inserted.



5. Amendment of Schedule II, Act V of 1898.--In the said Code, in Schedule II, after the entries relating to section 298-A, the following entries shall be inserted, namely :-



"298-B. Misuse of epithets, descriptions and titles. etc., reserved for certain holy personages or places.

Not Bailable

Imprisonment of either description for three years, and fine.



298-C. Person of Quadiani group, etc., calling him* self a Muslim or preaching or propagating his faith.

Not Bailable

Imprisonment of either description for three years, and fine.





PART IV



AMENDMENT OF THE WEST PAKISTAN PRESS AND PUBLICATIONS ORDINANCE, 1963 (W. P. ORDINANCE No. XXX OF 1963)



6 Amendment of section 24, West Pakistan Ordinance No.. XXX of 1963.--In the West Pakistan Press and Publications Ordinance, 1963 (W. P. Ordinance No. XXX of 1963), in section 24, in subsection (1), after clause (j), the following new clause shall be inserted, namely :-



(jj) are of the nature referred to in section 298-A, section 298-B or section 298-C of the Pakistan Penal Code (Act XLV of 1860), or".
 

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Yea none of us have acess to wiki...thank you for unearthing ground breaking discoveries!

1stly, it is not written on one's forehead if they are Ahmediyya or shia or sunni or whatever so proving or even saying this is ridiculous esp since many even say salam to non Muslims and many Non Muslims around thee world are gifted the Quran or can buy it from book shops/ online:

Minorities like Ahmedis are not allowed to say Muslim greetings like Assalam Allaikum ( Peace be upon you ) or to read or write any verse of Quran.

Pakistani constitution to practice their faith and also disallowed certain minority to use any Islamic texts for praying purposes.
How is this happening when they have their own places of worship? :pop:

Not all the 6 kalima are shahadah....And many of the everyday Muslims dont even know what the kalima are except prob the shahada so not sure who is gonna stop another from reciting something they themselves dont know :unsure:

from undertaking Muslim modes of worship,
And how do indians get news of their mosque being set on fire when they are not allowed to have mosques? :o:

from worshipping in non-Ahmadi mosques or public prayer rooms, and from making any citations from the Quran and Muhammad's hadith.
1stly, soo many weird Muslims wont pray in another mosque....nothing new there

2ndly, its not written on their heads nor do they have any marks/ symbols so whatever they do wont be questioned...or cant be based on their face alone!

Punishment for anyone convicted of doing any of the above is two years imprisonment. Ahmadi claim that the ordinance criminalises the everyday life of Ahmadis. reciting the Kalima (Muslim creed) and greeting with peace in the Muslims way is a criminal offence for Ahmadis in Pakistan.
I think wiki says this more loudly than anyone

Never heard of the rest...

BTW, just for your info we also have a law to educate every child in Pakistan for free....not much of it takes place...We also have a law that rape victims dont need 4 witnesses but indians still cry about the 4 witness....wiki feeds you lot shit which you grow on...try talking and communicating like a human to know the truth instead of dwelling in things which feed your delusion!
 

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Yea none of us have acess to wiki...thank you for unearthing ground breaking discoveries!

1stly, it is not written on one's forehead if they are Ahmediyya or shia or sunni or whatever so proving or even saying this is ridiculous esp since many even say salam to non Muslims and many Non Muslims around thee world are gifted the Quran or can buy it from book shops/ online:





How is this happening when they have their own places of worship? :pop:


Not all the 6 kalima are shahadah....And many of the everyday Muslims dont even know what the kalima are except prob the shahada so not sure who is gonna stop another from reciting something they themselves dont know :unsure:



And how do indians get news of their mosque being set on fire when they are not allowed to have mosques? :o:


1stly, soo many weird Muslims wont pray in another mosque....nothing new there

2ndly, its not written on their heads nor do they have any marks/ symbols so whatever they do wont be questioned...or cant be based on their face alone!


I think wiki says this more loudly than anyone

Never heard of the rest...

BTW, just for your info we also have a law to educate every child in Pakistan for free....not much of it takes place...We also have a law that rape victims dont need 4 witnesses but indians still cry about the 4 witness....wiki feeds you lot shit which you grow on...try talking and communicating like a human to know the truth instead of dwelling in things which feed your delusion!
So Ahemdiyas are Muslims,with equal religious rights as Sunni muslim of Pakistan?
 

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So Ahemdiyas are Muslims,with equal religious rights as Sunni muslim of Pakistan?
I never said they were non Muslim...Whatever the politicians do is their business....I feel no need to kill or bash anyone...Nor do I feel the need to rely on wiki to soothe myself ....pathetic move at its best!

Whatever they believe and however they are...THEY ARE PAKISTANIS...They want to call themselves Muslims then Muslims they are who am I to point otherwise? Who are you to behave like a bigot and open a thread with wiki as your only cry?
 

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Yea none of us have acess to wiki...thank you for unearthing ground breaking discoveries!

1stly, it is not written on one's forehead if they are Ahmediyya or shia or sunni or whatever so proving or even saying this is ridiculous esp since many even say salam to non Muslims and many Non Muslims around thee world are gifted the Quran or can buy it from book shops/ online:





How is this happening when they have their own places of worship? :pop:


Not all the 6 kalima are shahadah....And many of the everyday Muslims dont even know what the kalima are except prob the shahada so not sure who is gonna stop another from reciting something they themselves dont know :unsure:



And how do indians get news of their mosque being set on fire when they are not allowed to have mosques? :o:


1stly, soo many weird Muslims wont pray in another mosque....nothing new there

2ndly, its not written on their heads nor do they have any marks/ symbols so whatever they do wont be questioned...or cant be based on their face alone!


I think wiki says this more loudly than anyone

Never heard of the rest...

BTW, just for your info we also have a law to educate every child in Pakistan for free....not much of it takes place...We also have a law that rape victims dont need 4 witnesses but indians still cry about the 4 witness....wiki feeds you lot shit which you grow on...try talking and communicating like a human to know the truth instead of dwelling in things which feed your delusion!
Why so many justifications :o:
Either accept the Ordinance :agree::agree::agree:
Or reject it:disagree::disagree::disagree:
 

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My advice to Ahmadis in Pakistan is to save money and get out of there as soon as possible. I'm not going to discuss this Nazi style law.

To sarkari Muslims of Pakistan: Your feelings are hurt by the mere existence of Ahmadis, okay let Ahmadis get out of Pakistan so you can have a pure fascist Sunni state. Cheers.
 

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I never said they were non Muslim...Whatever the politicians do is their business....I feel no need to kill or bash anyone...Nor do I feel the need to rely on wiki to soothe myself ....pathetic move at its best!

Whatever they believe and however they are...THEY ARE PAKISTANIS...They want to call themselves Muslims then Muslims they are who am I to point otherwise? Who are you to behave like a bigot and open a thread with wiki as your only cry?
Mam if you dont want discussion you are most welcome!!!! bye

My advice to Ahmadis in Pakistan is to save money and get out of there as soon as possible. I'm not going to discuss this Nazi style law.

To sarkari Muslims of Pakistan: Your feelings are hurt by the mere existence of Ahmadis, okay let Ahmadis get out of Pakistan so you can have a pure fascist Sunni state. Cheers.
Prosecution for reading Quran????
 

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Nothing too much here.....even god has to be defined by some dictator's ordinance, just as muslims have been sought to be defined by this ordinance. Funny.
 

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Prosecution for reading Quran????
Yes if a Mullah catches you read it, or for example you are sitting on a expensive land, the local Sunni population might get jealous so they will use the Ordinance to scare you away from your own house. All in all religion+real estate is a good business after all.
 

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Why so many justifications :o:
Either accept the Ordinance :agree::agree::agree:
Or reject it:disagree::disagree::disagree:
No one is justifying anything...We are well aware our laws are skewed...I think if indians spent this much time trolling their own laws they would be more peace on your side!
 

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Nothing too much here.....even god has to be defined by some dictator's ordinance, just as muslims have been sought to be defined by this ordinance. Funny.
Funny how you guys take wiki so seriously enough to bash a religion a people and even a country based on what you read on wiki...How old are you guys? :pop:

Any one tried to change or abolish the draconian ordinace.Since 30 yrs already passed.:(
Aww what about trial for modi? its been years and no one opened the case for that massacre :(
 

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Not surprisingly, Ordinance XX has already been denounced by the United Nations Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities as a violation of human rights. The UN Sub-Commission, expressing its "grave concern" at the promulgation of Ordinance XX, found it openly violates the right to liberty and security of the person; the right to freedom from arbitrary arrest and detention; the right to freedom of thought, expression, conscience and religion; the right of religious minorities to profess and practice their own religion and the right to an effective legal remedy. The UN Sub-Commission alerted the UN Commission on Human Rights that there was a great potential of a mass exodus of Ahmadi Muslims from Pakistan due to their persecution. The SubCommission also asked that the Government of Pakistan "repeal Ordinance XX and restore the human rights and fundamental freedoms of all persons in its jurisdiction."

Funny how you guys take wiki so seriously enough to bash a religion a people and even a country based on what you read on wiki...How old are you guys? :pop:


Aww what about trial for modi? its been years and no one opened the case for that massacre :(
I am 15 n u ? let be friends
 
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I never said they were non Muslim...Whatever the politicians do is their business....I feel no need to kill or bash anyone...Nor do I feel the need to rely on wiki to soothe myself ....pathetic move at its best!

Whatever they believe and however they are...THEY ARE PAKISTANIS...They want to call themselves Muslims then Muslims they are who am I to point otherwise? Who are you to behave like a bigot and open a thread with wiki as your only cry?
Ahmadiya's are muslims? Oh in that case Jews are also of our belief since they believe in Abraham/Ibrahim.
 

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Ahmadiya's are muslims? Oh in that case Jews are also of our belief since they believe in Abraham/Ibrahim.
If a Jew can say the kalima he will be a Muslim.......after all that is the only difference between us and a proper practicing Jew

I see the dying need to use wiki :tup:

Here is some advice for you kids:



Now go play with your glue tubes!
 
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