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Dalit

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Nobody is talking about taking unliateral actions. The fact is if there was a coalition of Muslim countries, like that organisation Raheel Sharif is taking pay cheques for, then military intervention is entirely possible.

Also supporting the Palestinians with arms is completely legal. UN resolution 3246 recgnises the right of the Palestinians to resist occupation through any means including armed struggle.
I wonder what Raheel Shareef is doing nowadays for Islamic nations as a leader of Islamic NATO. That is another farce.
 

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Nothing will unite us. Not Islam. Not humanity. Not even common goals. The gap is too wide. The disagreements are absolutely pathetic, but we are a set of useless wretched bodies who would rather argue and shed blood on pety issues. It is a sorry state of affairs.

In the end, you reap what you sow.
With that kind of optimism we sure wont. You need to realise when it comes to islam and muslim we have to do it no matter the consequences we have to save other muslim brothers. You are entitled to your opinion but in islam it has no place.
 
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Are you saying that Pakistan is incapable of taking care of religious extremists on her own and a foreign country should come to do your job for you? And kill your civilians indiscriminately in the process? How is that anything but incompetency if true?

Soleimani was in Iraq to ensure that the consequences of the regional war spreading after the Syrian civil war, like the establishment of the ISIS, will not affect our national security. He died for that, for our national security. The ISIS was a threat to Iran as much as it was to Syria and Iraq and they had not shied away from publicizing it a thousand times.
Iran is not foreign country in Iraq and same in Syria? Why Pakistan take the risk of lives of its soldiers, when they can use drone? For safety of religious school students (madarsah's talib), who were brainwashed and slaughtering civilians and captive soldiers. This was propaganda spread by religious parties that US was killing civilians, instead TTP terrorists. That was not incompetency but co-operation between millilitres of two countries when terrorism was at peak, and there were mines and bombs on the road.
ISIS was threat for Iran and TTP was not threat for Pakistan?

Even if Shah was puppet of West, he was 1000 times better than these Stupid Irani Mullah, i think you are a brainwashed by these Mullahs.
What are are Triangle countries ?
May be Iran, Syria, Iraq/Lebanon
 

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Iran is not foreign country in Iraq and same in Syria? Why Pakistan take the risk of lives of its soldiers, when they can use drone? For safety of religious school students (madarsah's talib), who were brainwashed and slaughtering civilians and captive soldiers. This was propaganda spread by religious parties that US was killing civilians, instead TTP terrorists. That was not incompetency but co-operation between millilitres of two countries when terrorism was at peak, and there were mines and bombs on the road.
ISIS was threat for Iran and TTP was not threat for Pakistan?

Even if Shah was puppet of West, he was 1000 times better than these Stupid Irani Mullah, i think you are a brainwashed by these Mullahs.


May be Iran, Syria, Iraq/Lebanon
Iran is a foreign country in Iraq and Syria, but is Pakistan in a civil war or a failed state because of the US occupation? Because last time I checked, Syria has been fighting a civil war for years and Iraq has become almost a failed state after the US invasion in 2003. If those conditions applied to Pakistan, then the US drone strikes in Pakistan can be justified. If not, then we're back to what I said earlier.

Did Iran ask a foreign country to bomb our territory and civilians to fight the ISIS? How is Soleimani fighting the ISIS in Iraq and Syria relevant to the US drone strikes in Pakistan in any way? We remain one of the safest countries in the region, if not the safest. That doesn't apply to Pakistan even after the US drone strikes. Do you see the difference?

And I'm sure you are a wannabe Westerner libturd with absolutely no knowledge of the region. Are you done with name calling now? lol

Anyway, instead of derailing the thread, you didn't propose how Palestinians should react, as also noticed by @Dalit. Should they wait meekly for Israel to finally occupy all of Palestine and wipe them off the map completely?
 

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There is one aspect where Palestinians are wrong. In most of videos and posts on twatter. They seem to have made it a nationalistic issue. An Arab issue. I feel if they jeep making it a nationalistic issue Allahs help will not come. The whole ethos of Jews persecuting them is religious reasons. They want to take back Al Aqsa and build their temple.
 

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We are not preparing for Kashmir cause and you think we will go to Palestine?

If the govt was soo pro-active, we would see NCC courses or similar to train us for future conflict which I believe is not too far.

Without any training, we can't even volunteer optimally when the time comes if not already here.
Mullah keep Israel busy all the time.

Although leaders of Palestinian militant groups in Gaza, including Hamas and Islamic Jihad, have frequently praised Iran’s financial and military support, Khamenei had not himself previously given public confirmation of Tehran’s weapons supply.

“Iran realised Palestinian fighters’ only problem was lack of access to weapons. With divine guidance and assistance, we planned, and the balance of power has been transformed in Palestine, and today the Gaza Strip can stand against the aggression of the Zionist enemy and defeat it,” he said.


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Smuggling Weapons from Iran into the Gaza Strip through Sudan and Sinai
The protest events taking place around the Middle East in the past months, accompanied by waves of anarchy and lack of governance in several places, are exploited by the Palestinian terror groups for the purpose of smuggling arms into the Gaza Strip.


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Background
The notion of smuggling weapons into the Gaza Strip is not new; yet, it has accelerated since Operation Cast Lead, since Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) have become keen on acquiring standard and "qualitative" weapons. Such weapons will enable them to achieve a significant triumph in public awareness in any future conflict with Israel, through a much broader strike of the Israeli home-front (including longer rocket ranges) as well as in confrontation with IDF (using Anti Aircraft weapons, etc.).



Iran is a most dominant weapon supplier to Hamas and Islamic Jihad
Hamas and PIJ enjoy extensive material backing from Iran in their arming efforts, in light of Iran's determination to amplify its influence in the Palestinian arena and among Palestinian terror groups. Iran substantiates its support of the resistance camp by providing high-quality standard weapons to both groups.

The major smuggling route is from Iran to Sudan, on to Egypt and the Sinai peninsula, and from there to the Gaza Strip, with Iran's direct involvement in providing the arms and transferring them into the Gaza Strip.

As of 2010 hundreds of standard rockets had been smuggled into the Gaza Strip (most of long ranges of up to 20 and 40 km), as well as about a thousand mortar shells, several dozen Anti-Tank items, tons of standard explosives and raw materials for explosive production.



Sinai as center of the smuggling route and the Egyptian failure to foil it
Sudan constitutes central cross-roads in this smuggling route, where the weapons get in various manners from Iran, and are transferred to the Gaza Strip through the Sinai peninsula. The last station before the weapons are introduced into the Gaza Strip is the Sinai, which harbors local infrastructures of smugglers, mostly Sinai-based Bedouins, to whom smuggling serves as a major subsistence. These groups deal with arms procurement and their transfer over the Sudan-Egypt border to the Gaza Strip.

Prior to the upheaval in Egypt and the change of regime, the Egyptians tried to prevent the arms smuggling by engineering projects along the border with the Gaza Strip, such as the subterranean "steel wall" (yet to be completed) and deployment of an array of sensors.

The Egyptian activity did not reduce significantly the amount of smugglings into the Gaza Strip on the count of various, some impartial, difficulties, such as: the length of the border with Sudan (over 1200km), problematic control of the border with Rafah, permeable with hundreds of tunnels, some in densely populated areas. Today the Egyptian regime is busy stabilizing its rule, thus providing free ground for the Sinai smugglers.



Conclusion
The effort for smuggling arms into the Gaza Strip is a confluence of interests – those of Iran – the arms supplier, contriving to gain influence in the Palestinian arena, and Hamas – leading the resistance camp and trying to achieve an advantage over Israel through acquiring standard weapons, namely long range rockets, Anti-Tank and Anti-Aircraft missiles.

This axis enables the introduction of smuggled weapons into the Gaza Strip rather easily through the Sinai peninsula, home to local smugglers who engage in contraband for a living. The potential threat to Israel, in the face of advanced standard weapons escalates, and is further intensified in the wake of Egypt's new regime and the low profile it employs in the Sinai. This creates a wasteland where smuggling can take place almost undisturbed.​

 

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Iran is a foreign country in Iraq and Syria, but is Pakistan in a civil war or a failed state because of the US occupation? Because last time I checked, Syria has been fighting a civil war for years and Iraq has become almost a failed state after the US invasion in 2003. If those conditions applied to Pakistan, then the US drone strikes in Pakistan can be justified. If not, then we're back to what I said earlier.

Did Iran ask a foreign country to bomb our territory and civilians to fight the ISIS? How is Soleimani fighting the ISIS in Iraq and Syria relevant to the US drone strikes in Pakistan in any way? We remain one of the safest countries in the region, if not the safest. That doesn't apply to Pakistan even after the US drone strikes. Do you see the difference?

And I'm sure you are a wannabe Westerner libturd with absolutely no knowledge of the region. Are you done with name calling now? lol

Anyway, instead of derailing the thread, you didn't propose how Palestinians should react, as also noticed by @Dalit. Should they wait meekly for Israel to finally occupy all of Palestine and wipe them off the map completely?
Don't pay attention to him bro. Unity for all muslims whether shia sunni whatever is the best course of action.
 

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This thread clearly proves that only Iran is brave enough to arm the Palestinians, as it has done so for decades. The rest of the Muslim world are corrupt and cowards.
How dare you Irani supremacist say this? What about PDF keyboard warriors, Saudia Arabia, UAE, Pakistan Army?

We all know Iran is secretly in bed with Israel and Gen Qasem Sulaimani is still alive and basking on Tel Aviv beach.
 

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On a serious note you Iranians are real thick baskets. Honestly. As I approach 60 one thing I can say I have wisened up with is that in this world there is no such thing as "the truth". Or in fact "the justice". These are shaped by those who can. This is as true in Pakistan, as UK or any place. For instance a poor, vulnerable person will get screwed over in Pakistan as much as in UK.

Look at Iran. You and Israel are hostile foes. Israel uses it's entire influence to screw Iran by having Europe and America go after Iran for no reason. Iran has been painted as the axis of evil. For what? Because you thick baskets keep on cursing Israel. But so does Pakistan. But you guys actually support groups in Lebanon and Palestine that actually cause harm to Israel.

So tell me what you get out of being the avengers of justice on behalf of the Palestnian people? Most of the Arabs actually despise you. Saudi royalty is on record saying they want "the head of the snake" chopped off. Saudia, UAE would make alliance with Israel and USA to wipe out Iran. In this very forum you will be called "Irani mullahs".

So what does this get you? Nothing.



Ps. I am glad Pakistan unlike Iran plays clever. Just makes a few statements about Israel "we condemn" etc and then go back eating pilau with lashings of yougurt. As has already happened. Then life goes on like it will.

@Arian
 

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Nobody is talking about taking unliateral actions. The fact is if there was a coalition of Muslim countries, like that organisation Raheel Sharif is taking pay cheques for, then military intervention is entirely possible.

Also supporting the Palestinians with arms is completely legal. UN resolution 3246 recgnises the right of the Palestinians to resist occupation through any means including armed struggle.

In reality I agree, no such action will take place, but there is no reason why it cannot, other than the cowardice of Muslim leaders.
coalitions are you serious sir ? muslims have coalitions against each other and they are killing each other more then jew kill . are you serious ? muslim countries are in war with each other and you are dreaming of coalition
 

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coalitions are you serious sir ? muslims have coalitions against each other and they are killing each other more then jew kill . are you serious ? muslim countries are in war with each other and you are dreaming of coalition
You are right, which is why I said it is unrealistic. However a coalition is the answer to the economic, social and security woes of all Muslim nations. It is upto the leaders to take this opportunity to put their ego's behind them, admit mistakes, make peace and then unite. You and I can only advice.
 

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You are right, which is why I said it is unrealistic. However a coalition is the answer to the economic, social and security woes of all Muslim nations. It is upto the leaders to take this opportunity to put their ego's behind them, admit mistakes, make peace and then unite. You and I can only advice.
i have told what is reality sir . so many people are day dreaming here / 1973 was last chance which was missed now forget israel is today more capable to tackle . just compare economy of pakistan and israel . to whom we are fooling ? they have 180bn$ in pocket what we have kashkol ?
 

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Nobody is talking about taking unliateral actions. The fact is if there was a coalition of Muslim countries, like that organisation Raheel Sharif is taking pay cheques for, then military intervention is entirely possible.

Also supporting the Palestinians with arms is completely legal. UN resolution 3246 recgnises the right of the Palestinians to resist occupation through any means including armed struggle.

In reality I agree, no such action will take place, but there is no reason why it cannot, other than the cowardice of Muslim leaders.
Are you that naive?

Raheel sharif is leading a force that is united with Israel behind the scene. Israeli fighters bombed Yemen in collaboration with your so called Muslims.
That coalition of losers was made by Trump admin in order to counter Iran and help Israel.
 

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