• Tuesday, December 11, 2018

Open letter from Afghan Taliban to US government

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  1. peacefan

    peacefan SENIOR MEMBER

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    yeah, i suppose you could see it as 'imposed Jews on us after ww2'. we see it differently, vastly differently, but i bet you're not interested to hear about it?..

    but hey, since you're nothing but a loud badmouth, how about i just reply with : DEAL WITH IT. PEACEFULLY INSTEAD OF VIOLENTLY. Same for that OPEC conflict (that was economic violence, for lack of a better term). Then we could have left you alone.
    And we had been happy to.

    you know, ordinary moderate Muslim(a)s are great.

    but your leaders, and warriors / "warriors" like @salarsikander, Muslims, too often behave like morons who think they can get what they want via intimidation, violence and badmouthing the other side.

    i could easily start a thread for instance about how the Muslim world invaded Europe, or tried to invade Europe, several times, in the far past. but i don't think that serves any purpose but to increase tensions. and it's completely irrelevant for the chances to peace and prosperity in the future. past conflicts always are.

    i can also easily start a thread about how the Jewish people have proclaimed a claim to the Israeli lands for a very long time, with their Bible/Quran called Talmud and the Word of God/Allah/G-D in it, as backup. And without getting dragged into a moderator lock of the thread because it gets too theological, the word of God / Allah / G-D is clearly spread out over mutliple Bibles (many Quran translations, many Bible translations, many Talmud translations, etc) for multiple peoples living in different ages (pre-Catholic age, dark age, Renaissance, Golden century, industrial age, information age) and different regions that weren't yet connected by cars, trains and aircraft transport abilities.
    So if you want your own religion respected, you must respect the word of God in other Bibles than your own as well. That's what it always boils down to, @salarsikander And if you refuse to understand from words, you simply have to be taught the hard way. Because no way are you going to wipe Israel off the map. The fact you base most of your justifications for continued stubborn aggression by you in current conflicts right on top of that small patch of already-quite-old conflict (creation of the Israeli state), is clear indication of how stupid you are in conflict management that directly affects the lives of so many innocents across so many generations.

    STOP USING THE PALESTINIANS AS YOUR CANNON FODDER.
    TELL THEM TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH THE ISRAELIS,
    instead of supplying them with motivation and weapons to attack the Israelis with,
    and thus perpetuate the hatred and violence between these two peoples,
    which each have plenty of people among them that genuinely desire peace and prosperity.

    And for all practical purposes, the post-WW2 days are the far past as well these days. Israel is not going to be moved, and too many muslims still refuse to accept that simple fact and try to live in peace with their "new" Jewish neighbors.

    only polite patient diplomacy can bring peace between peoples. every sane person knows this.
     
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  2. salarsikander

    salarsikander SENIOR MEMBER

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    Your knwoldgege starts from OPEC, the mother of all evil. LoL. No wonder you're clueless

    why did christian USA installed raza phelavi in coup in iran, didn't that gave us 1978 the revolution that hates western Christians to the core
    Its all about Christian invading MuslimMuslim lands. Just like how they slaughtered Jews in Europe, now they're doing same to Muslim countries, stolen all Iraq's gold.
    This is my Last reply on u. When you grow up and learn not to paint in religion then talk.
     
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    salarsikander SENIOR MEMBER

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    Typical ignorant christian rant. Your Christian USA and EU provides Israel with aid and military weaponry, and also supports the illegal settlement
     
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    You're talking to people who's main source of education is Fox, CNN, BBC, AlJazeera.
     
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    Yeah keep fighting. And this fighting will never end and foreign forces will never win. For 17 years, it has been amply demonstrated that there is no military solution. The Americans are adamant at fighting because thats what military is for and that is the only excuse to keep their military in a foreign country.

    Actually AlJazeera is so much better than Fox, CNN and BBC.
     
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    True AlJazeera is lot more unbiased. But it can be tool in the tool box of powers with global designs
     
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    My analysis (not my knowledge) starts from the creation of the state of Israel which *is* painted in our shared(!) religions[1], and the battle for easily accessible oil after that.

    the OPEC war (caused by OPEC Muslim nations threatening to dramatically raise the price of oil unless Israel was officially wiped off the map), was so significant because it directly affected our ability to keep our economies running, down to things as basic as keeping our energy industry and transportation industry going. Without these basic services, any country would fall into total violent chaos within days.

    [1] we all acknowledge all Prophets were sent by the same God (whatever you may call Him) after all.
    we've done this for centuries.

    We support Israel with military aid because we are convinced they should keep their country.
    We do not support unrestrained expansion of settlements. That shows up in western media often enough.

    Well yes, they are biased, they leave vital information out of discussions, but they're still better than the paranoid and the warmongerer media outlets.

    I'm always open to reading headlines from new news sources.
    I'll add alJazeera to my list, ok.


    We Dutch had to fight the Spanish for eighty (80) years back in the dark ages (around 1000 to 500 years ago), just to make sure they'd stop trying to rule us.

    You Muslims, much as you like to talk about just defending your homelands, have demonstrated clear ambitions to rule other people by force. You Muslims opted for a terrorism tactic which has resulted only in *more* assertive attitudes by Westerners towards Muslim countries.

    We are not trying to oppress you or keep you invaded. We're making sure muslim extremist from tribal areas in Muslim regions can not launch large-scale attacks on western soft targets.

    Quit the terrorism. Stick to peaceful political activism. Show decades of patience.
    It's the only way to get what you want, Muslim fundamentalists.

    i've got this nifty RSS-mixing web-app now, i'll add AlJazeera to the list it crawls for new news. ArabNews is already in there.
     
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    By what ? By giving more aid and creating more chaos in middlemeast. If anything you European Christians should give them land in Europe for massacring Jews like pigs. Secondly its you Christians who have been invading countless countries and making them colonies. You seriously need to get a reality check. Stop living in delusion. Yoir Christians installed stooge in Iran shah Gaza which after few years had to left to pave way for extremist govt, you Christians trained Afghani people now they are biting entire Nato down to ***. Karma is bitch

    Who the fk are you. You Christians have 0 moral standing after how you treated them royally in ww2. If anything every European country should give piece of land to Jews
     
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    1. in the process we must cultivate opium(96% of world), because without opium we cannot fight you, it doesnt matter if opium kills 50,000 people in europe and 20,000 in USA, but we must fight you..radicle islam doesnt exist in other parts of the world like middle east, libya, mali and africa its just here
    2. we also think accommodating India, who has nothing to do in Afghanistan and is known for doing proxy war with Pakistan( be it 1971 till now) although it has nothing to do with Afghanistan, its important keep our future alley against china happy..be it at cost of afghans as charlie wilson was told who the f*** care about school in Afghanistan
    3. we also think that making warlords/war criminals head of state/provinces, allowing a trillion dollars of corruption and ignoring pushtoon majority is good idea
    4. we must also encourage afghan govt to ensure that they dont agree on international boarders with Pakistan or allow Pakistan to fence or mine it as this will stop crossing of 96% of world opium..it will also make india proxy war weak
     
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    Interesting observation there.

    What you imply is that all Muslim, implicitly or explicitly, back Al Qaeda or ISIS or other factions of these despicable groups. Whereas there is a history of incubating such ideologies to promote geopolitical interests.

    These groups are not homogenus and their interests in inciting terror acts have nothing to do with broader Muslim interests, political or economic.

    Terrorism has different reasons in different regions. But if I point out to one of the reasons of terror in Europe, some Europeans will disagree with a hint of arrogance. Islamic terror took its roots in marginalized classes of Europe. Terrorists from Europe are second or third generation Muslim. They have felt marginlaized for too long and extremism is their expression. This is unfortunate but its not a Muslim problem. Its a European social problem.

    Despite all openness and acceptance, some do feel the root cause of this marginalization is religion. That Europe being predominantly Christian has not accepted its Muslim migrants.

    The article below is very insightful on this issue.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/islamic-extremism-is-not-the-cause-of-europes-terror-problem/
     
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    We asked the Jews what they wanted, after WW2, it was to have a homeland where Israel is today.

    And you're also blaming all Europeans for the evil that the Nazis did.
    Many Europeans fought the Nazis in one form or another, you know.

    For you to blame all westerners/europeans for the problems you bring onto yourselves with your hatred for the Jews (which goes back to before WW2 by the way, according to what i read),
    is like me blaming all Muslims for the problems caused by Muslim terrorists.

    For the record : i don't blame entire peoples for anything. it's relatively small groups of individuals that cause all the problems. That's what i think.

    But who allows these Muslim leaders to be so corrupt? I believe your own Arabic media and you yourselves have to share at least some of the blame for that.

    As for the opium trade, maybe we should just napalm the "crops" with napalm everytime they're getting ready to harvest.
    It really *should* not be hard to get Afghan and Pakistani government approval for *that*.

    No. I was addressing the extremists, not the 99.999999% of relatively moderate Muslim(a)s.


    i'll read the article soon-ish (dont have the energy for it right now), but let me tell you how i believe those 2nd and 3rd-generation Muslims got to feel marginalized.

    their (grand-)parents came to Europe as modest unschooled workers. these were friendly modest people.
    their kids however grew up resenting the kinds of jobs their parents were capable of doing (mostly jobs like cleaning office buildings), and these Muslim kids didn't do too well in school either.

    on top of that, these Muslim kids showed considerably more social aggression than the native white kids, or even the black immigrants' kids who entered our region around the same time as the first Muslim immigrants..
    Too many Muslim kids turned criminal, and for a while they were among the worst criminals in our country, starting out as tough boys who call every girl not in a hijab a whore, publicly, in the streets.
    i believe that's what caused the decades-long reluctance of white employers to hire any Muslim staff.

    i've experienced it for myself, in the last few years even : a Muslim working in a computer shop without any clue about computers, but a big and even aggressive mouth towards friendly-assertive customers like myself who simply want value for their money.

    a Muslim working at an optician shop, trying to sell me more than i asked for with the lure of a discount, that turns out to be literally cents worth of discount on a purchase price twice as high.

    a Muslima working in a dentist shop, who vents her racism towards whites by grabbing painful tools to do dental checks that really aren't necessary, and then tries to sell me a 1100 euro treatment while a 300 euro treatment will do the job just as well. And when i mention that, she acts like she did nothing wrong at all.
    it's needless to say i never went back to that dentist shop.

    But.. things are improving. Muslims here now run not only food shops, but copy-shops, 2nd-hand kitchen appliance stores, and gardening stores, to name a few. More than a few Muslims have made it through higher trade schools and now run successful businesses themselves that cater to both Muslim(a) and white customers alike.

    But the lingering racism, the racism from Muslim(a)s towards whites, and the racism some whites have against Muslims, is like a bad smell every time you interact with racists, whether they're Muslim(a) or white.

    Fortunately not all whites are racist and not all Muslim(a)s are reverse-racists. I even have casual flirts with Muslim(a)s sometimes :)
     
  12. salarsikander

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    Finally a sane reply, but you specifically pointed to saying Muslims.
    Also OPEC blockade was meant to punish the countries supplying arms to Israel and supporting them, jot to wipe them off lol. Oh plz you don't habve any right settle them. You support ten and they continue to build on occupied territories
     
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    ops i didnt know people of Vietnam were Muslim who grew opium when USA soldiers were there..my bad..also Taliban didnt ban opium, that was fake news..every one lies..folks fake news..cnn is fake, bbc is fake..its wrong....my bad
     
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    Sorry, i should change my future phrasings to specifically address either extremist Muslims and their supporters (which is what i was doing) and/or fundamentalist Muslims. You, @salarsikander, are a little of both, i think. That's why i shortened my phrasing to 'you Muslims'.
    I was replying to direct and fairly intense attacks on my reputation as a reasonable debater, and to attacks on all western policies concerning extremist Muslims / terrorist Muslims.

    From what i heard the OPEC "blockade", and from what you say right here, the real reason was always to see it made possible one way or another to get Israel wiped off the map.

    And i may not have any right (except for standing up for Muslim people who desire peace but are without access to Internet, free press, etc) to try to settle any big conflicts, but at least i have the will to try.

    About the settlements : the real key is growing food in the desert, so that territory becomes less contested and larger populations can all have a roof over their head, food to eat and water to drink and bathe with. i've said this before, and explained it in simple plumber's skills, at https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/salt...nd-salt-full-technical-specs-for-free.532606/

    and people like me are among the few Westerners at the moment who will speak to their own about the needs of fundamentalist Muslims. i wonder why that is?..

    i wonder why there is no white-people's movement to end the war on terrror, like there was to end the war in Vietnam. oh wait, that's because the Vietnamese were no threat to us, and terrorist Muslims clearly are.

    and respectfully : to say all news is fake, is a lie too. you're simplifying too much when you do that.


    http://www.santafenewmexican.com/ne...cle_86092218-63df-5808-8523-fdb515ad4023.html

    Taliban, please ignore the fact we call your letter "rambling" in our mass-media.
    Your demands have been heard.

    Now we have to ask the vital questions : over which areas do you want autonomy, why those areas, and what kind of autonomy do you want? will you accept government oversight over Madrassas in your autonomous areas? because that's a thing i'll be pushing for. and not just me.
    i think you know why.
     
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    yeah yeah just like iraq was threat...the reason is deaths...human losses in Vietnam were far far more..honestly you are jumping from one stupid logic to another