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Such views are why the Hindutvadis recently vented outrage at the Alia Bhatt ad for Manyavar suitings which just called for Hindu weddings to have Kanyamaan ( respect for the bride in her husband's home ) instead of Kanyadaan ( traditional and unfortunate Hindu abandonment of the bride by her parents into the hands of her husband and in-laws ). Did the ad say anything wrong ?
It’s our culture, to have what is it, Kanyadaan ka matlab pata nahi, gyaan pelne pehle aa gaye, abandonment:undecided:? NCB should have a look at your house as well.
What is a "flop troll" ? Swara is not a troll in the first place to be a hit or a flop.
Who are you to decide who is what who is not? Trolls are people who leave intentionally provocative or offensive messages on the internet in order to get attention, cause trouble or upset someone.

Swara Bhasker and ither LeLis are professional in doing so, Swara Bhasker, Fact Checker Zoo bear and the Congress IT Cell.

Before you rush to bob your head with crooked Hindutvadi "news" agencies you should consider if the journalist might have been receiving death threats, like the way the organizers and participants of the 'Dismantling Global Hindutva' conference received or like Kohli's daughter received which is the topic of this thread.
Ya says someone who believes into fake Leftard news agencies who love remaining silent when something doesn’t suit them, and opening their mouth on things that matter them the most, Arfa Khanum Sherwani is another troll professional in doing so…

And death threats is something muslim celebrities also get for wishing on hindu festivals, the way Bangladeshi cricketer shakib ul hassan got for just attending Durga pooja Pandal in Kolkata, because there were idols and idol worshippers are kuffars.

And please share how many gave rape threats to her apart from a tweetmof an
The Hindutvadis are the original Taliban. A major problem for humanity. Notice the title of that conference - Dismantling Global Hindutva.
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Activists especially Muslim ones use the garb of activism to peddle their agenda, like how Roshni Ali filed a PIL in supreme court and got our crackers banned, but will not file a PIL for banning animal slaughter on Eid, don’t teach me your stupid nonsense, Taliban reflects the reality of you lot and Hindus are just a cover which you take to justify so.
The world was thinking that India was a peaceful land of Gandhi, waving coconut trees and elephants. A bliss. Only a few people knew about the atrocities in India that have been going on for the last 3000 years. But now the world is waking up to the threat posed by Hindutva, one of that awakenings being that conference.
I don’t give a F to what the world thinks, especially from someone who’s life revolves around JNU.
Were the Hindutvadis Sadhvi Pragya, Colonel Purohit and co. gentle, cat-adoring intellectuals who liked to smell roses in the garden which had a fountain ? Or did they bomb Muslims in Malegaon 13 years ago ?
Did any court declare them guilty? As usual if they don’t the courts will be declared Sanghi by leftards like ya 😂.

Who if not the Hindutvadis assassinate four well-known progressive Hindus ( Narendra Dabholkar, Govind Pansare, MM Kalburgi, Gauri Lankesh ) between 2013 and 2017 ? Or were those assassins somehow Muslims ?
What do you mean by progressive Hindu? Anyone who’s a Hinduphobe? Last I checked it was Imam of Peace getting threats for being a reformist.
Hindutvadis don't roam around with AK-47s but with traditional single barrel and double barrel rifles, swords, spears, trishuls, knives and sticks. Quite openly. Anyone can search the internet. Hindutvadis receive training in rioting and massacring progressive Hindus and of course Muslims. Some years ago I had met the state secretary for my state of one of the public Communist groups and he told me that once some 25 to 30 RSS goons barged into his house with weapons and wanting to murder him but that day he wasn't at home.
Lol really? How many of those are real I don’t even know, and how many times it is used, I mean I’ve never seen someone carrying a sword and BSing here and there, ya you have google images to post some trash, guns are legal in Pakistan, and lot of Pashtoons buy and use them that doesn’t make them terrorist then how does some carrying swords in a procession become one?
Don't pretend that the Hindutvadis are some progressive, anti-violence, pan-human, future-thinking rationalists. I don't expect the NATO-boot-licking UN Security Council to ban Hindutvadis immediately but that time will come. But much of the world, including the beloved Israelis, are waking to the irrationality and crimes of the Hindutvadis. No sensible person or even that not sensible wants the company of the Hindutvadis except crooked government leaders. So I suggest you to leave them.
What is the meaning of progressive? No one give a flying F to your progressivism, we all saw what you leftard lots do, brewing fake theories and history and anyone who goes against them is labelled a Hindutva terorist, well we don’t care.


Anything I don’t like is bigotry and fascism, anything that the opposition in debate gives me is a hindutvavadi persoective, hence null and void, what I say is patthar ki laqeer, dude trust me I’m right, I’m a liberandoo afterall.
 
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Its only you butthurt lot for whom he’s a terrorist, else none of your rhetorics have any evidence, you’ll just twist and turn stuff when it doesn’t suit your narrative, and that’s why no one in India buys it, guess what 10 years ago, being a secular used to be a normal thing, if today people are being proud of being hindu and our Hindutva movement is gaining traction, there must be some reason behind that, we have went past that appeasement era, bring something else.

I don't see you disagreeing with anything I said. You just seem to be proud of the direction your depraved society has taken.
 

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But why should the non-approving majority find fault with my post ? Did I say anything wrong ? Does this majority, or a significant number ( in the hundreds of millions ), also not troll one way or another ? Where was this majority for example when Swara Bhasker said a sensible thing some months ago about the Taliban and the Hindutvadis and many Hindutvadis called for her arrest "for hurting Hindu sentiments" ?

BTW where are Hindutvadi luminaries like Tejasvi Surya and Shefali Vaidya when their co-ideologicals issued these rape threats against Kohli's daughter ? Those two are usually at the forefront of the outrage brigade, venting against Urdu names for a Diwali fashion show with also the female models not wearing bindi or ads which call for Hindu weddings to have kanyamaan ( a ritual for the respect for the bride ) instead of the traditional kanyadaan ( abandoning of the bride by her parental family during the time of the wedding ) or ads of Muslim in-laws family celebrating their Hindu daughter-in-law with a ritual or...



Hindutvadis / Manuvadis.
Nobody knows who those online trolls are...there is a speculation that they are pakistanis disguising as indians to give bad name to india.
 

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Nobody knows who those online trolls are...there is a speculation that they are pakistanis disguising as indians to give bad name to india.
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1. .....understood its reasoning but reasoning is beyond the brain ability of Hindutvadis. Their brains are still 30,000 years behind, but even quite a few humans then had ideas which evolved humanity but the Hindutvadi race was a unique race in human history which somehow failed to evolve. Maybe exposure to some natural nuclear reactor in some cave they gathered to worship.
Political slurs like bhakt and hindutvadi will get you nowhere if you're looking to meaningfully engage in a discussion. Calm down, do your political activism, and when the time comes, pull the lever for a candidate/party you resonate with ideologically. Democracy.. it's not that difficult.

How do you even define a hinduvadi ?

All Hindus ?

Only Hindus that vote for the BJP ?

All BJP voters ? (Hindu or not)

Don't begrudge people if they reject what you propagate for, instead, you need to do some introspection and try and come up with a messaging which people might actually be on board with. A message strong enough for them (not you, you are already deep in your ideological bunker) to shift sides is what you need. A failure to do so is exactly why Rahul is failing so miserably in politics.. if you analyze his rhetoric, you'll see how he not only goes after Modi and co in an ill thought out ham-fisted way, but also ends up attacking everyone who voted for or supports the BJP.

It's a selfish thought process.. "I don't like people who don't agree with me, because I am right, I am righteous, they are wrong.. I am halal, they are haram" .. politics hai, boss, not some silly love triangle full of personal feels.

GTFO of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat, and if you do want to fight.. you better keep your cool in all this heat. Capishe ? 8-)

2. So like I asked before, what are the views of Proud and Awakened Hindutvadis like Tejasvi Surya, Shefali Vaidya and Shubrashtha to this rape threat to Kohli's daughter or have they swallowed Fevicol ?
this one is easy

well, they have obviously kept their silence because the left has tried to hijack this and spin it politically and have essentially been implying that all BJP voters are to blame.

test match mein is ko 'well left' or 'good leave' kehtey hain.. why even give half a chance for the slip cordon to grab a nick when you can just let it fly past.. it's not hitting your wickets. The opposition rhetoric in India is just not hitting the mark, the BJP is cashing in on it big time.

Jamahir bhai, my sincere advice to you is to save your scorn for policy decisions that impact you and that you feel passionate about, and stop your hatred of regular hard working middle class folk who just want to live a life of dignity.. what could you possibly have against oil rig workers toiling away at a RIL facility or a crane operator at an Adani port or even higher up engineers and business people ?

stop boiling your brain in bitter juice, man.

learn to ride a scooter or bike, get some form of personal transport going, take off on some adventures just by yourself..

a life wasted if you just keep typing angry posts on a foreign country's forum

beautiful place and culture, ours, here in India.. there is no fascism, nobody wants to kill all the minorities.. who even has the time to sit and think this way.. ?

are you that insane that you believe the PM and his cabinet are discussing ways to eliminate the muslims ? :lol:

or are you even more insane than that and think all middle class people, around the world.. should be eliminated ?
 

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Political slurs like bhakt and hindutvadi will get you nowhere if you're looking to meaningfully engage in a discussion. Calm down, do your political activism, and when the time comes, pull the lever for a candidate/party you resonate with ideologically. Democracy.. it's not that difficult.

1. I usually don't make snide remarks like the "Natural nuclear reactor" one but I was driven to exasperation. Even in post# 24 I have reasoned with @Sudarshan and suggested him to leave that company but then read his next posts.

2. I understand your advise. :tup:

How do you even define a hinduvadi ?

All Hindus ?

Only Hindus that vote for the BJP ?

All BJP voters ? (Hindu or not)

1. There are mullahs, burqa mullans / mullis, Dalits, Christians etc among the Hindutvadis.

2. As for the description of a Hindutvadi I wrote that as per my understanding in post# 24.

Don't begrudge people if they reject what you propagate for, instead, you need to do some introspection and try and come up with a messaging which people might actually be on board with. A message strong enough for them (not you, you are already deep in your ideological bunker) to shift sides is what you need.

My messaging is generally calm, logical and rational. I don't troll in my replies to members who don't agree with me but I try to reason with them at length. Case in point the socio-economic system proposal or the ban on personal transport vehicles thread.

stop boiling your brain in bitter juice, man.

learn to ride a scooter or bike, get some form of personal transport going, take off on some adventures just by yourself..

a life wasted if you just keep typing angry posts on a foreign country's forum

beautiful place and culture, ours, here in India.. there is no fascism, nobody wants to kill all the minorities.. who even has the time to sit and think this way.. ?

are you that insane that you believe the PM and his cabinet are discussing ways to eliminate the muslims ? :lol:

I don't know about the PM's plan for the Muslims ATM but he certainly is not following his own slogan - "Sabka saath, Sabka vishwaas, Sabka vikaas". Just this morning there was live telecast of him at the Kedarnath temple on the occasion of Deepawali / Diwali and inaugurating a project to do renovation at that mandir at the cost of 400 crores. Now any sensible person would ask two things : (a). Is the PM the PM only for Hindus or for citizens of all faiths in India because one has never seen him going to Delhi's Jama Masjid during Ramzan or to some Mangalore church on Christmas ? (b). Instead of wasting 400 crores at a religious site he could have declared that money for the fast construction of a big, high-quality and aesthetically-constructed hospital in Delhi ( with staying facilities for patients' attendants ) for free treatment of cancers, other lung, kidney, liver and eye diseases. The sufferers of these ailments are left to die or suffer till they die or cobble up money for treatment from crowdfunding websites while the PM spends human, economic and material resources on religious structures and religion-connected things like that Vallabhbhai Patel statue. This is just Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

or are you even more insane than that and think all middle class people, around the world.. should be eliminated ?

I am not talking about elimination of the global middle class but about them learning of their noncontributory and harmful lives and participating in changing their local societies which would bring some harmony in the world. Where went the progressiveness of the past decades in educational and workplace environments ?

The Indian middle class especially is mostly composed of drones who live their lives without seeing the wrongs in their society let alone in the world. I have mentioned this dozens of times but will mention it again - those 350,000+ Indian farmers who committed suicide just between 1995 and 2015 because of socio-economic reasons... Now imagine if 350,000+ of those mostly useless computer engineers in India had committed suicide due to the same occupational reasons. Would it not have struck a bit into the minds of the middle class from where these computer engineers get sourced ? So why ignore the socio-economic atrocities against their own compatriots especially given that much of this same middle class proclaims itself to be nationalist and vents regularly against "anti-nationals" ? This is hypocrisy. I will list my threads about some of these socio-economic injustices and wrongs in India and we will see how many middle class Indians care :


Did the above injustices need to be present ? They are artificial. Why does the so-called educated middle class not work to remove them, even speak about them ? What is so important in their lives, so contributory from them to humanity that they cannot spend time in discussing these issues ?

Do you know that the top three polluting countries in the world are India, China and USA ? There are 300 million cars in India, almost all of them for personal use, most of them bought on loan. Add to that the many more two-wheelers. Capitalism, crime, pollution, accdents ( 450,000 every year in India ), disharmony and general chaos. And which socio-economic class in India enables this aspect of society ? The middle class. Add to that the Chinese middle class and the aspiring middle class with their new-found love for personal transport and the also obsolete American idea of skyscrapers. And this topic can be further discussed in that thread.
 

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Is the PM the PM only for Hindus or for citizens of all faiths in India because one has never seen him going to Delhi's Jama Masjid during Ramzan or to some Mangalore church on Christmas ?
Lmao dude, seriously lmao.
I’ll only say you’re just plain ignorant if you’re actually saying this.
Instead of wasting 400 crores at a religious site he could have declared that money for the fast construction of a big, high-quality and aesthetically-constructed hospital in Delhi ( with staying facilities for patients' attendants ) for free treatment of cancers, lung, kidney, liver and eye diseases.
National Infrastructure Pipeline includes it, next joke.
while the PM spends human, economic and material resources on religious structures and religion-connected things like that Vallabhbhai Patel statue. This is just Nero fiddling while Rome burned.
3000 crores was spent on the statue and it’s generating good revenue, not to mention the investment went back to the Indian economy and privided jobs to many.

And ₹3000 crore is nothing, around 450 million dollars, that’s it.
The Indian middle class especially is mostly composed of drones who live their lives without seeing the wrongs in their society let alone in the world. I have mentioned this dozens of times but will mention it again - those 350,000+ Indian farmers who committed suicide just between 1995 and 2015 because of socio-economic reasons... Now imagine if 350,000+ of those mostly useless computer engineers in India had committed suicide due to the same occupational reasons. Would it not have struck a bit into the minds of the middle class from where these computer engineers get sourced ? So why ignore the socio-economic atrocities against their own compatriots especially given that much of this same middle class proclaims itself to be nationalist and vents regularly against "anti-nationals" ? This is hypocrisy. I will list my threads about some of these socio-economic injustices and wrongs in India and we will see how many middle class Indians care :
A suicide is attributed to various issues, and if Farmers don’t earn much, thank a middle man aka dalal which will be removed by new farm laws, but woko haraams are too busy serving langar at tikri.
 

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Lmao dude, seriously lmao.
I’ll only say you’re just plain ignorant if you’re actually saying this.

Then show me the PM's pictures at Jama Masjid including during Ramzan and a Mangalore church including on Christmas.

National Infrastructure Pipeline includes it, next joke.

And what is this pompous and corporate sounding National Infrastructure Pipeline ?

3000 crores was spent on the statue and it’s generating good revenue, not to mention the investment went back to the Indian economy and privided jobs to many.

And ₹3000 crore is nothing, around 450 million dollars, that’s it.

1. I will not expect Vallabhbhai Patel's admirers who go to his statue to be respectful of real freedom fighters like Shaheed Bhagat Singh especially because Bhagat was a Socialist / Communist till the moment he was hanged :
I will conclude with the last moments of Bhagat Singh’s life, as reported by his close associate Manmathnath Gupta, he writes:

“When called upon to mount the scaffold, Bhagat Singh was reading a book by Lenin or on Lenin. He continued his reading and said, ‘Wait a while. A revolutionary is talking to another revolutionary’. Bhagat Singh continued to read. After a few moments, he flung the book towards the ceiling and said, ‘Let us go’.” [Emphasis added]

This is the true legacy of Bhagat Singh which we need to commemorate. He read all possible revolutionary or even anarchic literature to build his vision of independent India. It also tells us why we need to listen to those who read and write; they may imagine India differently, but they do not deserve to be punished for what they read or write.
Compare him to Vallabhbhai Patel who was quite cosy with the Hindutvadis hence the tallest-statue-in-the-world of his and not Bhagat's :
Following the claims and counter claims to Patel's legacy, a cover story in Frontline magazine says a 'cabal of self-confessed Hindu nationalists" consistently talks up Patel, almost always in a face-off against Nehru, the latter the subject of "shrill denunciation"

Written by political commentator AG Noorani,the article argues now that those lauding Patel at this moment have a clear motive: "To discard Indian nationalism in favour of Hindu nationalism and what goes with Indian nationalism, its secular credo."

It was Mahatma Gandhi who picked Nehru over party boss Patel to be his successor. Despite Patel's huge achievements as a party chief and as a funds collector, it was Nehru who was Gandhi's choice.

The piece says, "Nehru was cultured and refined. Patel was coarse to a degree. Nehru had a world view. Patel was ignorant of world affairs. Nehru was great despite his serious flaws and grave failures. Patel was small and mean despite his admirable qualities. Nehru’s foreign policy was seriously flawed. But what an image he projected to the world for years as Prime Minister of newly independent India."

Even Patel's friends among the British diplomats could not deny his communal sympathies or his arrangements with RSS leaders, the article argues. It quotes from historical records, writings of various leaders and historians to paint a picture of a man who was "rabidly communal in his outlook", a man whose dislike of Muslims hardened into "antipathy" towards them.

According to Noorani, in Hyderabad, Patel turned a blind eye to the massacre of Muslims, in Kashmir, he defended the RSS when Nehru complained of its activities; in post-Partition Delhi, he insisted that there was widespread anger about Muslims being allowed to go about openly in the streets, eventually going on to protest Nehru's view that Muslim refugees who evacuated their homes should be allowed to return. Even in inviting the Hindu Mahasabha and RSS to join the Congress, Patel is reported to have said those who "ride on two horses" will have to go to Pakistan.

"Would such a man have brought lustre to India’s reputation in the world? And what kind of legacy would he have bequeathed to a newly independent India in its formative years? What kind of vision would he have projected to inspire our plural society with its composite culture and rich traditions? Patel was, instinctively, pro-industrialists and unsympathetic to labour. His vision was narrow; his concerns were limited. As Nye noted, he was intolerant of dissent. Let alone communists, even the Congress Socialist Party received short shrift from him. He was the quintessential Hindu communalist."
I respect Patel as much as I respect Al Qaeda's chief or Pramod Muthalik or any other irrational and hateful person.

2. So has this great revenue that was generated from that statue put to good use to build a free hospital in Delhi for those ailments I mentioned earlier ? If not then why ?

3. Why didn't a "Sabka saath, Sabka vishwaas, Sabka vikaas" society like India put to good use those 450 million dollars into constructing free hospitals and free high-quality educational educational institutes instead of building this tallest-statue-in-the-world for this wrong person ?

A suicide is attributed to various issues, and if Farmers don’t earn much, thank a middle man aka dalal which will be removed by new farm laws, but woko haraams are too busy serving langar at tikri.

Farmer suicides is a socio-economic issue whether in USA or in India, especially so in India which is the most Capitalist society in human history in the last 3000 years of this culture in India. From family traditions to religious rituals to general society, everything is Capitalist, extremely Capitalist.

In India farmers commit suicide not because of some fabled middle man but because they take loans for various items especially Capitalism-existing or irrational socio-economic reasons, the items may be wedding of daughter where there is jewelry purchased, dowry given and the guest list being of 300 minimum, loans for religious pilgrimages, for medical treatment / building house / education ( all these things not being for free in India ), for purchasing fertilizer, pesticide or farm equipment parts etc etc and the farmers are not able to repay the loan.

Farmers are forced to take loans on interest because unfortunately Indian economics including lending is based on interest, from private mahajans, established banks and private micro-finance companies. Often Indian farmers have small farm holdings and do not make enough to repay the loan and the loans additionally are taken on interest. Additionally the vagaries of Indian climate cycle - rain, drought, hail stones - and pest attack put more burden on the farmer. The agents of lenders come down to harass and intimidate the loan takers to the point of desperation with seeing the helplessness of the farmer. The lenders drive the farmer to suicide and the farmer being in a socio-economic culture where suicide is acceptable then commits suicide. I quote this article from 2012 which was updated in 2016. Note the underlined :
The microfinance industry pursued a path of rapid business growth in recent years; two investigations now link it to debtor suicides

First they were stripped of their utensils, furniture, mobile phones, television sets, ration cards and heirloom gold jewellery. Then, some of them drank pesticide. One woman threw herself into a pond. Another jumped into a well with her children.

Sometimes, the debt collectors watched nearby.

More than 200 poor, debt-ridden residents of Andhra Pradesh killed themselves in late 2010, according to media reports compiled by the State government. The State blamed microfinance companies which give small loans intended to lift up the very poor for fuelling a frenzy of over-indebtedness, and then pressuring borrowers so relentlessly that some took their own lives.

The companies, including market leader SKS Microfinance, denied it.

An independent investigation commissioned by the company, however, linked SKS employees to at least seven of the deaths. A second investigation commissioned by an industry umbrella group that probed the role of many microfinance companies, did not draw conclusions but pointed to SKS' involvement in two more cases that ended in suicide. Neither study has been made public.

Both reports said SKS employees had verbally harassed over-indebted borrowers, forced them to pawn valuable items, incited other borrowers to humiliate them and orchestrated sit-ins outside their homes to publicly shame them. In some cases, SKS staff physically harassed defaulters, according to the report commissioned by the company. Only in death would the debts be forgiven.

The videos and reports tell stark stories:

One woman drank pesticide and died a day after an SKS loan agent told her to prostitute her daughters to pay off her debt. She had been given Rs. 1.5 lakh in loans but only made Rs. 600 a week.

Another SKS debt collector told a delinquent borrower to drown herself in a pond if she wanted her loan waived. The next day, she did.
She left behind four children.

One agent blocked a woman from bringing her young son, weak with diarrhoea, to the hospital, demanding payment first. Other borrowers, who could not get any new loans until she paid, told her that if she wanted to die, they would bring her pesticide. An SKS staff member was there when she drank the poison. She survived.

An 18-year-old girl, pressured until she handed over Rs. 150 meant for a school examination fee, also drank pesticide. She left a suicide note: “Work hard and earn money. Do not take loans.”

In all these cases, the report commissioned by SKS concluded that the company's staff members were directly or indirectly responsible.

Caught in the despair of poverty, tens of thousands of impoverished Indians kill themselves every year, often because of insurmountable debt. The supportive structure of the microfinance companies was supposed to change that.

But Davuluri Venkateswarlu, director of Glocal Research in Hyderabad, which conducted the industry-wide investigation, said in an interview that he told SKS executives there was “clear involvement of SKS personnel” in some suicides.

SKS continues to deny all responsibility for the deaths, and says it never commissioned an independent inquiry. SKS spokesman J.S. Sai, who flew to Mumbai from the company's Hyderabad headquarters to discuss the AP's findings, said the company stands by its September 2011 affidavit before the Supreme Court. In that affidavit, chief executive M.R. Rao says SKS “is neither the cause of nor responsible for any suicides in the State of Andhra Pradesh.”

The deaths came after a period of hyper-growth leading up to the company's hugely successful August 2010 initial public offering.

Originally developed as a non-profit effort to lift society's most downtrodden, microfinance has increasingly become a for-profit enterprise that serves investors as well as the poor. As India's market leader, SKS has pioneered a business model that many others hoped to emulate.

But the story of what went wrong at SKS has led current and former employees and even some major shareholders to question that strategy, and raises fundamental questions for the multibillion-dollar global microfinance industry.

Meanwhile, whistleblowers at SKS say they have been targeted for retaliation and that the company has failed to correct structural flaws that contributed to the suicides.

“At the end of it,” said Alok Prasad, chief executive of the Microfinance Institutions Network, the industry group that commissioned the Glocal report, “you come down to a handful of cases where some things went wrong. Is that indicative of the model being bad or very rapid expansion leading to a loss of control?”

Beginnings in Bangladesh

Microfinance was born in desperation. Amid the 1970s famine in Bangladesh, Muhammad Yunus began giving small loans to poor women with his own money. Despite the predictions of bankers, the women paid him back.

The core idea of Professor Yunus' Grameen Bank was the borrower group. Five women from a village determine how large a loan each member gets and act as guarantors. If even one member is delinquent, no new loans are issued. Group members apply pressure and support that has kept repayment rates near 100 per cent.

Professor Yunus' innovation won him the Nobel Peace Prize in 2006.

In 1997, Professor Yunus' acolyte, Vikram Akula, founded his own microcredit organisation, Swayam Krishi Sangham, which stands for “self-help society.” In 2005, SKS started operating as a for-profit company and Mr. Akula began chasing private investment to achieve the massive scale required to dent global poverty.

Public issue

In August 2010, SKS Microfinance, then India's largest microlender, went public. Exuberant investors oversubscribed the Rs. 1,715- crore offering by nearly 14 times. The stock surged more than 10 per cent on its first day. In celebration, the company handed out 21,000 watches to employees.

Then media reports began to surface that over-indebted borrowers were killing themselves.

In October 2010, a mob of 150 people surrounded SKS' Hyderabad headquarters, protesting the suicide of a borrower's husband. They threatened to drag the corpse inside and demanded Rs. 9.8 lakh.

It was one of dozens of deaths the Government of Andhra Pradesh blamed on aggressive tactics by microfinance companies. The police jailed microfinance employees, including dozens from SKS. Among the charges was abetment to suicide, essentially driving people to kill themselves. Authorities investigated 76 cases in which employees from SKS and other microfinance companies were blamed for driving borrowers to take their own lives. The State passed a law designed to clamp down on abuses with new restrictions on loan disbursement and collection and onerous registration requirements on the companies. Microlending in India's largest microcredit market was effectively shut down.

Charges denied

Microfinance officials fought the new law and denied the charges, accusing the State government of trying to gain traction with voters and punish companies for capturing valuable market share from state-run lending groups.

Established microlenders such as SKS said loan sharks operating under the guise of microfinance were behind the excesses. SKS and other companies asked a court to stop the arrest of their employees. The court issued a stay on new arrests. Today, no one is in jail.

In a November 2010 letter to the Union Finance Minister, Mr. Akula defended his company and included supportive articles from The Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times.

At the same time, the industry group Microfinance Institutions Network hired Glocal to investigate 44 deaths among debtors of microfinance companies, including SKS.

Mr. Venkateswarlu, the Glocal director, presented the findings to executives at three lenders. In January 2011, he delivered startling news to Mr. Akula and Mr. Rao — SKS employees had clear involvement in the suicide of four borrowers, meaning that their actions appeared strongly linked to the subsequent deaths, according to their investigation.

The AP obtained a four-page section of the Glocal report that deals with the SKS case studies. It related the financial history of borrowers, the loans obtained, the nature of pressure or harassment for repayment, and the microfinance company involved. Mr. Venkateswarlu verified that it was indeed the material he presented to Mr. Akula and Mr. Rao.

“They said they'd look into the issue and take some appropriate action,” Mr. Venkateswarlu said.

SKS sent internal audit teams to the field. Their reports exonerated the company.

Inquiry initiated

Unable to reconcile the two sets of findings, SKS hired Guardian's Human & Civil Rights Forum and Third Eye, a private investigative agency, to do a more thorough, independent inquiry, according to Ramesh Vautrey, head of administration at SKS, who oversaw the investigation, and Rajender Khanna, the president of Guardian's.

A January 17, 2011, letter from SKS, signed and stamped by Mr. Vautrey, asked Mr. Khanna to “carry out a fact-finding enquiry on the causes of suicide and complicity of our field staffs without any prejudice,” according to a copy of the letter obtained by AP. The AP was shown invoice numbers for SKS payments to Third Eye and e-mails indicating the findings were sent to top management.

P.H. Ravikumar, who became interim chairman of the SKS board last November, said neither management nor the board had authorised an independent inquiry into borrower-deaths.

“Our enquiries from 2009 to 2011 have revealed that neither SKS nor its employees have been the cause for any of the suicides in the state of Andhra Pradesh,” the company said in a statement. The company also said SKS employees have been acquitted in two borrower suicide cases in Andhra Pradesh and that only one criminal case remains outstanding.

Mr. Khanna sent teams to speak with families of the dead, village leaders, neighbours and loan agents, videotaping the interviews. Their report said SKS employees bore direct or indirect responsibility for at least seven suicides, including two that overlapped with the Glocal findings.

The interview videos were shown to the AP by Uma Maheshwari, who said she was present during one set of recordings and visited several of the families personally. She left SKS in July.

In one video, the daughter of borrower Dhake Lakshmi Rajyam cries, gasping as she talks to an investigator in Tadepalligudem, Andhra Pradesh.

Rajyam was unable to pay off Rs. 1.18 lakh owed to eight different companies. Employees of microfinance companies, including SKS, urged other borrowers to seize the family's chairs, utensils and wardrobe and pawn them to make loan payments, her family told investigators. Unable to bear the insults and pressure of the crowd of borrowers who sat outside her home for hours to shame her, Rajyam drank pesticide on September 16, 2010, and died, the family says.

“We've lost my mother,” her daughter says. “Nobody will support us.”

The investigator's conclusions lay the blame on SKS employees, saying they failed to comply with company policies “and even basic moral rights.”


Mr. Vautrey said he sent the case studies to three top managers, including Mr. Rao. E-mails obtained by AP indicate that summary reports were e-mailed to the managers.

Mr. Rao did not respond to multiple requests from AP seeking comment.

Mr. Vautrey went to Mr. Akula's office one night and told him what they were doing was bad karma. “I don't want to be part of a team abetting suicides,” Mr. Vautrey said in an interview. “It is systemic failure. We have no right to kill anybody for our own business. Let's close down our business if we can't do it right.”

Profound shift

A profound shift in values and incentives at SKS began in 2008.

In October, Boston-based Sandstone Capital, now SKS' largest investor, made a major investment. It joined U.S. private equity firm Sequoia Capital, which funded Google and Apple and is SKS' largest shareholder, on the board of directors.

Mr. Akula, who had been chief executive in the company's early days, stepped down in December 2008 but stayed on as chairman. The company brought in new top executives from the worlds of finance and insurance.

SKS also began transferring more loans off its books, selling highly rated pools of loans to banks, which then assumed most of the associated risk of borrower default. That freed SKS to push out more and bigger loans.

In December 2009, SKS launched a massive sales drive. The “Incentives Galore” programme ran through February 2010, just one month before the company filed its IPO prospectus.

Agents won prizes worth up to 10 times their average monthly salary for signing huge numbers of new borrowers. Mr. Vautrey said he coordinated the shipment of 8,800 television sets, refrigerators, gold coins, mixers, washing machines and DVDs as rewards for more than 3,000 districts nationwide.

One loan officer signed up 273 groups in a month. Under training protocols, the ideal number of groups formed per month is 12, the maximum is 36, according to field agents and reports written by Mr. Akula.

“The focus is only on targets,” said Ramulu Sirgapur, who spent a decade at SKS before he left in December. “Even if we've given feedback, there might be recovery or repayment issues. That's OK. Just concentrate on growth.”

The result: Management had a great set of numbers to show investors as it shopped the IPO. In a month, SKS could add 400,000 borrowers and 100 branches, and train more than 1,000 new loan officers. SKS had 6.8 million borrowers and had disbursed Rs. 15,680 crore in loans. India was pimpled with SKS branches, which bloomed in nearly 100,000 villages. SKS said it was the fastest growing microfinance company in the world.

What was overlooked

But basic principles of lending were overlooked, according to interviews with current and former employees, as well as correspondence and internal PowerPoint presentations by Mr. Akula.

Six current and former SKS staffers with experience in the field told the AP they no longer had time to check a borrower's assets or follow up and make sure a loan was put to productive use. They said they were pressured to push more debt onto people than they could handle, and that the number of days devoted to borrower training was cut in half.

“You have a [borrower group], and a loan officer goes out and trains them, educates them, then they give the loan. That's the SKS I'd seen in 1999. That was the whole model on which microfinance is supposed to work. In the quest for growth, a lot of these things got neglected,” said Ankur Sarin, director of the SKS trusts, which are the fourth largest shareholder in the company and tasked with looking out for borrower interests.

As the relationships between heavily indebted borrowers and loan agents broke down, it became harder to collect. Frustrated agents began working together and going door to door to collect, rather than taking payments only in public, a company rule that had been designed to limit coercion. They began using other borrowers to pressure defaulters into repaying.

“The growth was very rapid. That growth led to some suboptimal outcomes,” said Ashish Lakhanpal, managing director of Kismet Capital, one of SKS' largest shareholders, who was on the SKS board until October 2010. “Were there lapses? Absolutely.”

While the board was concerned about fast credit growth, the company never believed it was harming borrowers, Mr. Lakhanpal said. “Mistakes were made, but I find it difficult to believe there was anything people did at a managerial level to encourage field officers to do that,” he said.

Plan that never made it

In the spring of 2011, Mr. Akula began circulating a plan to spend Rs. 49 crore to train financial counsellors, who would make sure clients were not getting into too much debt and used their loans productively, according to Mr. Sarin, Mr. Vautrey and others with firsthand knowledge of the proposal.

But the plan was never adopted. Publicly, Mr. Akula continued to deny that SKS bore any responsibility for suicides. “Whatever happened was due to external factors and was not reflective of any fundamental flaw in our model,” he told Business Today.

Privately, Mr. Akula prepared a 55-page presentation for the board that detailed the seven suicides that SKS' outside investigation had blamed on the company. The presentation showed how the pre-IPO push for growth led to a systemic breakdown, and again urged core reforms to restore training and lending discipline.

Board members received copies of Mr. Akula's presentation at a July 26, 2011, meeting, said a former employee who helped prepare the material.

The minutes of the meeting, however, make no mention of the report.

“As per my notes, this was not part of the board proceedings,” company secretary Sudershan Pallap wrote in a September 26 e-mail to Mr. Akula, who had complained of the omission.

Mr. Ravikumar, who would become interim chairman when Mr. Akula resigned, said the board was never informed that SKS employees were implicated in any suicides, and denied Mr. Akula presented any such findings to the board. “There was no presentation from Vikram Akula at that board meeting. This will be reflected in the minutes, as signed by Vikram Akula,” he said.

Mr. Ravikumar said the board reviewed reports from the Microfinance Institutions Network, but none of them implicated SKS employees.

Complaints

Mr. Akula continued to complain to the board that his presentation had been ignored. He summarised his concerns about the company's direction in e-mails, obtained by the AP, to seven board members, including Sequoia's Sumir Chadha, Sandstone's Paresh Patel and three independent directors — Mr. Ravikumar, Harvard's Tarun Khanna, and Pramod Bhasin, the former chief executive of Genpact.

Mr. Chadha, Mr. Patel and Mr. Khanna did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

Mr. Ravikumar declined to comment on what he said was personal correspondence.

Mr. Bhasin said reports claiming SKS bore responsibility for borrower suicides were “unsubstantiated.” “Any issues raised to the Board at various times were fully investigated by external parties and found to be unsubstantiated or without evidence or actions were taken on them where appropriate,” he wrote in an e-mail.

Rancour within the company was intensifying. Board members felt Mr. Akula was suffering from a bad case of “founder's syndrome,” that he could not stand to share power at a company that had become too big for him to run.

Finally, on November 23, 2011, Mr. Akula resigned.

Mr. Vautrey said he was targeted, and SKS began termination proceedings against him on February 6.

Three members of his staff have been fired and have filed wrongful termination complaints.

On February 6, SKS also sold Rs. 243 crore in securitised loans. The stock price surged 10 per cent. Top executives have been on the road, hoping to raise Rs. 500 crore from international investors.

Mr. Sai, the company spokesman, said SKS has hired an ombudsman, is spending Rs. 14.7 crore to improve its customer grievance programme and has revamped training to ensure that employees comply with current regulations and do not lend to over-indebted borrowers. He said the company would like to reorganise incentives to maintain rapid growth while ensuring loan quality. Those changes have yet to be implemented, he said. -- AP
So this criminal organization, SKS Microfinance, is still operating under the very appropriate name of Bharat Financial Inclusion, appropriate I say because of the extremely Capitalist nature of our country. For the money greed of this company's board of directors, of its venture capitalist investors in India and America, of the inhumanity of its middle class MBA field agents who harassed the farmers to suicide and of the middle class buyers of this company's shares, these greedy, non-sensible and anti-human people became the cause of such general suicides in the country - 350,000+ between 1995 and 2015 alone. @-=virus=-, see the nature of India's atrocious and apathetic middle class. :)

Such farmer suicides must have been going on for the last 3000 years.

@Bilal9 bhai, you may be interested in the Indian style of microfinance and the general reasons for India's farmer suicides. And then the Hindutvadis on PDF castigate me if I speak of non-interest loans saying that I speak of Islamic banking. What is wrong if Islamic economics would have been adopted because neither would have farmer suicides existed nor would have the stock market existed ?
 
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Then show me the PM's pictures at Jama Masjid including during Ramzan and a Mangalore church including on Christmas.
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The fact that you’re a liberandoo, I’m pretty much sure you’ll call this eyewash, photo-ops and all.
sed lyf of a librandoo
And what is this pompous and corporate sounding National Infrastructure Pipeline ?
A pipeline of infra projects worth 2 trillion USD being implemented in India, includes roads, schools, hospitals, colleges, tap water supply etc.

1. I will not expect Vallabhbhai Patel's admirers who go to his statue to be respectful of real freedom fighters like Shaheed Bhagat Singh especially because Bhagat was a Socialist / Communist till the moment he was hanged :
Bhagat Singh is respectable by you because someone told you that he was a commie, I know because commie stronk srguement is what drives, kyu, kaise wo pata nahi.

Vallabhbhai Patel and Bhagat Singh both sre my heroesbecause they fought for Bharat.
So has this great revenue that was generated from that statue put to good use to build a free hospital in Delhi for those ailments I mentioned earlier ? If not then why ?
For that our socialist Kejriwal has built Mohalla Clinics
Why didn't a "Sabka saath, Sabka vishwaas, Sabka vikaas" society like India put to good use those 450 million dollars into constructing free hospitals and free high-quality educational educational institutes instead of building this tallest-statue-in-the-world for this wrong person ?
450 mil dollars are peanuts, and there are a lot of them being built, doesn’t mean every penny is for hospitals only.
Farmers are forced to take loans on interest because unfortunately Indian economics including lending is based on interest, from private mahajans, established banks and private micro-finance companies. Often Indian farmers have small farm holdings and do not make enough to repay the loan and the loans additionally are taken on interest. Additionally the vagaries of Indian climate cycle - rain, drought, hail stones - and pest attack put more burden on the farmer. The agents of lenders come down to harass and intimidate the loan takers to the point of desperation with seeing the helplessness of the farmer. The lenders drive the farmer to suicide and the farmer being in a socio-economic culture where suicide is acceptable then commits suicide. I quote this article from 2012 which was updated in 2016. Note the underlined :
This is what new farm laws will improve, being able to sell crops to anyone who gives a better price, but naa, commie stronk.

National infra pipeline is also building agricultural produce storage silos so that wastage can be reduced.
 
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So this criminal organization, SKS Microfinance, is still operating under the very appropriate name of Bharat Financial Inclusion, appropriate I say because of the extremely Capitalist nature of our country. For the money greed of this company's board of directors, of its venture capitalist investors in India and America, of the inhumanity of its middle class MBA field agents who harassed the farmers to suicide and of the middle class buyers of this company's shares, these greedy, non-sensible and anti-human people became the cause of such general suicides in the country - 350,000+ between 1995 and 2015 alone. @-=virus=-, see the nature of India's atrocious and apathetic middle class. :)
Commies have killed more in history in India and the world as a whole.
bhai, you may be interested in the Indian style of microfinance and the general reasons for India's farmer suicides. And then the Hindutvadis on PDF castigate me if I speak of non-interest loans saying that I speak of Islamic banking. What is wrong if Islamic economics would have been adopted because neither would have farmer suicides existed nor would have the stock market existed ?
The thing is that no one can argue with commies who have this stupid logic for everything, when everyone remains poor, everyone is easy to fool. This is communism spreads.
 
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No surprises there. Sanghis raped 3 year children and lots of young teenage girls during the Gujarat riots.
We had the rape of the beautiful 8 year old child in Kashmir by Sanghis again and what’s even worse in a temple. Many Sanghis came out to defend them.
 

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You should have provided the context and location of these photos. The first one seems to be of the Bohras who seem to support the Hindutvadis. Third one may be in the UAE so remember right in 2020 what some UAE luminaries said about that idiot Tejasvi Surya ? And just some days ago there was a thread about GCC luminaries speaking about the increased anti-Muslim crimes happening in India in recent. The fifth photo, come on, who is on the left ?


Also a few days ago :
04/OCT/2021

Dehradun: Over 200 unidentified men and women, allegedly belonging to local right-wing groups, vandalised a church in Roorkee on Sunday, October 3, injuring several people who had assembled for morning prayers.

According to the FIR registered by Prio Sadhana Lanse, the church pastor’s wife, over 200 men and women belonging to the local Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), Bajrang Dal and Bharatiya Janata Party’s youth wing, barged into the church and started vandalising it, while beating the churchgoers.

At around 10 am, the mob, armed with iron roads, destroyed chairs, tables, musical instruments and photographs that were in the church.

Speaking to The Wire over the phone, Lanse said that the attackers went on a rampage and smashed everything that came in their way.

“The frenzied mob, shouting slogans like ‘Vande mataram’ and ‘Bharat mata ki jai’, barged into the church, which is on the first floor of the building,” Lanse said. “They started beating our volunteers and the women attackers bashed up our womenfolk.”

The vandalism went on for over 40 minutes and Rajat, a church volunteer, suffered serious head injuries. He has been shifted to a Dehradun government hospital where his condition is stated to be critical.

Also read: Belagavi: Sri Ram Sene Men Allegedly Decapitate Muslim Man for Loving Hindu Woman

Lanse also alleged that the women present, including her daughter Pearl, were inappropriately touched by the attackers. Another church follower, Akshi Chauhan, confirmed this. “I saw that an aged man had forcibly hugged Pearl and she was struggling to free herself. When I went to rescue her (Pearl), an attacker asked me what I, being a Hindu, was doing in the church,” Chauhan told The Wire.

The miscreants then allegedly dragged Chauhan away by her hair and beat her.

Sumit Kumar, an eyewitness, told The Wire that the attackers damaged the CCTV cameras fitted in the church premises before beginning their attack.

“The women miscreants attacked the womenfolk of the church and the men broke everything: table, chairs, inverters and photos kept in the church,” said Kumar.

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The FIR – a copy of which The Wire has accessed – has been filed under IPC Sections 295, 296, 395, 323, 504, 506 and 427, which deal with defiling a place of worship, disturbing a religious assembly, dacoity, voluntarily causing hurt, insults which disturb the public peace, criminal intimidation and mischief causing damages greater than Rs 50.

Four women – Rajni Goel, Rakhi Pradhan, Banita Chauhan, Seema Goel – and two men – Dhir Singh and Shiv Prasad Tyagi – have been named in the FIR. It is learnt that these individuals are residents of Roorkee and Lanse had identified them when they were vandalising the church.

No arrests have been made and the police are trying to access the CCTV footage from nearby places to trace the culprits. SP rural, Haridwar Parminder Dobhal, was unreachable and the Roorkee police station was tight-lipped about the incident. A senior police officer said that the culprits have been named in the FIR and police teams are tracking them. “Adequate security personnel have been deployed at the church premises and also at the residence of the complainant in Roorkee,” said the officer.

The church has been functional for over 35 years and after the death of pastor D.R. Lanse due to COVID-19 last year, his wife Sadhana organises the prayer meetings.

“Following COVID-19 protocol, we allow only 12 people to attend the Sunday prayers and the rest of community members are connected through video call. The attackers first damaged the mobile phone that was being used for the online prayers,” said Kumar. The attackers outnumbered the number of those in the prayer hall. One attacker, Kumar said, picked up the church guitar and started stringing the chord, menacingly showing it to the womenfolk in the prayer hall, and then smashed it on the floor. “The hooligans had a clear plan of first damaging the CCTV cameras and then snatching all our mobile phones before going on a rampage in the church. The attack on the church was well planned,” said Kumar.
And in Karnataka there is an audit of churches going on. I quote some Christians :
Peter Machado, the Archbishop of Bengaluru on Friday, said the survey would stir up “anti-religious feelings” and was “dangerous”.

“We consider this exercise as futile and unnecessary. There is no good that will come out of it, In fact, in the background of the conversion bogey and anti-religious feelings that are being whipped up, it is dangerous to make such surveys. With this our community places of worship as also pastors and sisters will be identified and may be unfairly targeted,” the archbishop said in a statement on Friday.



He added that there were already such instances being reported from various parts of Karnataka.

“Why is the government interested in making survey of the religious personnel and places of worship only of the Christian Community? We are sad that the Hon’ble Chief Minister, Shri Basavaraj Bommai, whom we regard highly as a broad-minded and enlightened person succumbs to the pressures from fundamentalist groups, who wish to indulge in disturbing the peace, harmony and peaceful co-existence in the society,” he added.

The archbishop said that they are “always against forceful, fraudulent and incentivised conversions.”

Another person associated with the church said that these were “tactics” to deflect away from the more important issues like price rise and other concerns staring at the country. for a few to torment people.



“There has been loss of employment, fuel price loss and this government is on a shaky wicket. After they said that the next election would be fought under Bommai, he has resorted to such gimmicks of the RSS and are disturbing the peace,” a person associated with the Church said, requesting not to be named.
Does the Pope know about these ?


Some sensible Indian member had posted some days ago about the bhagwa-fication of some Indian Christian priests ( note the bhagwa dress and the tall lamp ). I wonder what these priests think now of the church attack in Roorkee and the church audit in Karnataka.

A pipeline of infra projects worth 2 trillion USD being implemented in India, includes roads, schools, hospitals, colleges, tap water supply etc.


So why isn't the current Indian healthcare system not nationalized and made free for the public right now because the salaries of the hospital staff and the maintenance of the machinery can be paid for from the two trillion dollars of this project ? When will the first free educational and healthcare institution institute come up ?

Bhagat Singh is respectable by you because someone told you that he was a commie, I know because commie stronk srguement is what drives, kyu, kaise wo pata nahi.

I respect him not just because he was a Communist but because he was generally a sensitive and sensible person unlike Patel.

Vallabhbhai Patel and Bhagat Singh both sre my heroesbecause they fought for Bharat.

They are both opposites. Choose one. What do you think Bhagat would have thought of Patel ?

For that our socialist Kejriwal has built Mohalla Clinics

Mohalla clinic is a good idea.

450 mil dollars are peanuts, and there are a lot of them being built, doesn’t mean every penny is for hospitals only.

What is more important ? Saving someone's eyes / lungs / the entire body from cancer or erecting the-world's-tallest-statue of a wrong person ?

This is what new farm laws will improve, being able to sell crops to anyone who gives a better price, but naa, commie stronk.

National infra pipeline is also building agricultural produce storage silos so that wastage can be reduced.

Fine, build silos but the real reform in Indian agriculture would have been doing three things :

1. Abolishing interest-based economics which directly lead to farmer suicides.

2. Reforming India's socio-economic system with things like weddings to be done in court with only five people including the court official, the couple and two witnesses and no dowry and no jewelry to arranged by the bride's parents from her childhood onward.

3. Making Indian agriculture scientific by replacing current rural communities with new townships which would have neighborhood level computerized Vertical Farms, general Urban Farms and collectivized labor in the farms. Do it all over the country.
 

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You should have provided the context and location of these photos. The first one seems to be of the Bohras who seem to support the Hindutvadis. Third one may be in the UAE so remember right in 2020 what some UAE luminaries said about that idiot Tejasvi Surya ? And just some days ago there was a thread about GCC luminaries speaking about the increased anti-Muslim crimes happening in India in recent. The fifth photo, come on, who is on the left ?



Also a few days ago :

And in Karnataka there is an audit of churches going on. I quote some Christians :

Does the Pope know about these ?



Some sensible Indian member had posted some days ago about the bhagwa-fication of some Indian Christian priests ( note the bhagwa dress and the tall lamp ). I wonder what these priests think now of the church attack in Roorkee and the church audit in Karnataka.



So why isn't the current Indian healthcare system not nationalized and made free for the public right now because the salaries of the hospital staff and the maintenance of the machinery can be paid for from the two trillion dollars of this project ? When will the first free educational and healthcare institution institute come up ?



I respect him not just because he was a Communist but because he was generally a sensitive and sensible person unlike Patel.



They are both opposites. Choose one. What do you think Bhagat would have thought of Patel ?



Mohalla clinic is a good idea.



What is more important ? Saving someone's eyes / lungs / the entire body from cancer or erecting the-world's-tallest-statue of a wrong person ?



Fine, build silos but the real reform in Indian agriculture would have been doing three things :

1. Abolishing interest-based economics which directly lead to farmer suicides.

2. Reforming India's socio-economic system with things like weddings to be done in court with only five people including the court official, the couple and two witnesses and no dowry and no jewelry to arranged by the bride's parents from her childhood onward.

3. Making Indian agriculture scientific by replacing current rural communities with new townships which would have neighborhood level computerized Vertical Farms, general Urban Farms and collectivized labor in the farms. Do it all over the country.
You’re just a plain joker, I won’t waste time on you!
 

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