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Oman’s FM and Libya’s Qaddafi plotted to break up Saudi Arabia

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  1. Jyotish

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    Oman’s FM Yusuf bin Alawi, Libya’s Qaddafi plot against Saudi Arabia: Leaked audio

    Ismaeel Naar

    23 May 2020

    A leaked, undated audio recording of a conversation reportedly between Oman’s Minister of Foreign Affairs Yusuf bin Alawi and the slain Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi suggests that they plotted to break up the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and agreed that the ruling Al Saud family’s rule was coming to an end.

    Qaddafi is heard saying to Alawi that the Al Saud family’s rule is coming to an end, arguing that the US has turned against Saudi Arabia and that the family is “expired,” to which Alawi can be heard agreeing and adding “their role is over.”

    Qaddafi then goes on to outline a plan for dividing Saudi Arabia into smaller states, to which Alawi responds: “what you’re saying is correct. It is what should happen.”

    The audio recording, which was reportedly leaked by Omani opposition Dhofar activists, was released on social media on Friday. Al Arabiya English could not independently verify the authenticity of the recording.

    According to a Gulf source who did not want to be named, the opposition group likely obtained the recording from Qatar. Qatar may have leaked the audio with the aim of damaging Saudi-Omani relations, which have been strengthening since Oman’s new Sultan Haitham bin Tariq al-Said took power earlier this year, added the source.

    A group of photographers and other individuals can be heard at the beginning of the leaked audio, hinting that the conversation between the two men could have been recorded during a face-to-face meeting.

    The source speculated that that the conversation might have happened in 2009, when Qaddafi famously stormed out of the Arab summit in Doha after insulting Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah. Qaddafi may also have met with Qatar’s then-Prime Minister Hamad bin Jassim at the time, added the source.

    Plans to carve up Saudi Arabia
    In the recording, Qaddafi and Alawi can be heard discussing plans to carve up Saudi Arabia into smaller states – and what role Iran and the Arab Gulf states could play.

    “We are against war and destruction. But to encourage the peoples of the Arabian Peninsula toward independence, like you have encouraged the peoples of the former Soviet bloc or Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia, this we welcome,” Qaddafi is heard explaining to Alawi.

    “To encourage the Hijaz to secede and leave the Wahhabis ... This peaceful call, to encourage the secession of the Hijaz, Najd, al-Ahsa as a Shia state. The Hijaz as a Hashemite state, the Najd with their tribes like the al-Shammar, and Asir and Najran as Yemeni like Ismaili and Zaidis, not Wahhabi,” he continues.

    Alawi, who could be heard agreeing with Qaddafi during their conversation, says “everything happens in its own time.”

    “As you have said, we also heard from those people and evidence and many phenomena now appearing. The issue needs some time. We believe the main catalyst during the next four-five years will be what Tehran does,” he adds.

    Qaddafi then asks Alawi whether Arab states would allow for changes to come in such a way. The Omani foreign minister says he agrees that a peaceful solution is ideal, but that events are uncertain.

    “A peaceful method is preferable. However, things are moving in a major way. In Riyadh, now, this situation is their biggest fear,” says Alawi.

    Alawi also briefly discusses the influence of the Gulf states and praises Qatar’s emir at the time.

    “And our brothers in the Gulf, you know, their countries are small countries and their influence, to some point, is limited, except for [Qatar’s then Emir] Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa, a brave man, and this gives him status,” says Alawi.

    “But what you’re saying is correct. It is what should happen,” he adds.

    The new leaked audio recording echoes two others which were leaked in 2017 of Qaddafi in recordings with Qatar’s former Emir Hamad bin Khalifa and its former Prime Minister Hamad bin Jassim, attacking Saudi Arabia and the ruling family.

    A similar recording in which Qaddafi and Hamad bin Jassim discussed dividing up Saudi Arabia had been previously leaked. Hamad bin Jassim did not deny the recording and reportedly said he had to discuss the issue to appease Qaddafi.

    Alawi last met Qaddafi during a state visit to Tripoli in December 2009. Qaddafi was dragged from a drainpipe, tortured and killed on October 20, 2011, when rebel fighters overran loyalist defenses in his hometown of Sirte during the Libyan Revolution. Alawi remains Oman’s foreign minister.

    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/Ne...i-plot-against-Saudi-Arabia-Leaked-audio.html
     
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    Qaddafi was insane but I agree with him, Saudia should be broken up ... Hijaz area should be independent away from Al-Saud.
     
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    The issue one has to remember is that in the Middle East, these sort of "breaking up nations" projects lead to further destabilisation. Many outside players have had such designs for Middle Eastern regional states, but how often has it led to anything positive? It is a case of not thinking more than one step ahead (or not caring to). Whether one agrees or disagrees with the policies of the Saudis is one thing, but I don't think there is a question they are a relatively stable nation.
     
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    B*tchy, Al Arabiya style.
     
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    qaddafi was mad dog but oman is decent country and always stay away from problem why alavi talked like this .
     
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    the only 2 wrong break ups in MENA area were Sham area ( palestine-Syria-Lebanon and Jordon) and Berber area (Morocco and Algeria).
    The first 1 led to the lose of Palestine and the second one led to hatred between Morocco and Algeria.

    Gulf countries are not that important to care about their split, except for Hijaz area where Islamic locations exist, this area should be under islamic supervision not under 1 country rule.

    Omanis can't stand Saudis.
     
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    I do not agree with you, friend. Such breaking up projects come hand in hand with instability, which provides a very ripe breeding ground for extremists. We may be able to control when to start chaos, but once it occurs then it is out of our hands.

    The issue around whether the holy sites should be under collective Islamic control is an interesting and obviously sensitive discussion. I think there are valid arguments for this proposal, but the Saudis also have good reasons to deny such requests.
     
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    This is all over the social media here.

    While it is true that House of Saud are both incompetent and corrupt, a division of KSA should never be an option, why break up the nation ? The people are getting alongside each other just fine, how did the break up work for Sudan ?

    Reforming the existing regime is a safer option, ideally a shift to a meritocratic monarchy, but a constitutional monarchy is more likely.

    This would give India, Israel and every country with muslims a claim for active involvement in the holy sites, Im not sure if that is very wise.
     
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    You can easily fake video with AI deeps fakes... And it is even easier to fake Audio.

    Only fools believe everything they hear and now even see.
     
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    do you remember my plan to invade KSA and divide it to several states??
    shame seems like me and my nigga muammar could be best buddies:D:D
     
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    if they only would have been sucessfull :)
     
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    LOL Gadaffi is the one that ended up divided instead......well, his body anyway. :what:
     
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    Bull shit , oman is a very calm and neutral country they never engage in any controversary

    Qatar has been playing like a spoilt brat for long
     
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    That's what they want you to think
     
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    Gaddafi in the old time also help Aceh rebel.
     
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