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Official Confirmation: Saudi Arabia has Indeed Bought 150 Pakistani Al-Khalid Tanks

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  1. Zarvan

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    Does KSA really need Al-Khalids? Pakistani government shouldn't embarrass KSA into buying Al-Khalids out of courtesy.
    Anyhow, i won't believe it till Janes says something.
    Germany halts arms exports to Saudi Arabia citing regional instability – report — RT News

    As for Abrams, i don't know why they didn't go for it. Anyhow this is probably a rumor. Janes smells such deals months away and they haven't said anything so far.

    This deal could also be a bribery to push Pakistan into Yemen.
     
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    Quid pro quo?
     
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    Al Khalid may not be superior to Leopard but it sure can defeat it in many scenarios. we tend to underestimate ourselves and overestimate west always. U guys forget that t72 used in gulf war was heavily degraded so a true comparison never happened only in russian tests where m256 gun smuggled or got some way was having difficulty penetrating t80 and t72 latest upgrades. In real war and weapons true potential (not degraded weapons) gulf war for example would have different history.

    Janes are reliable source indeed but until or unless govt gives signal they cant just publish every military deal. remember it still is a private company not some Govt led media group
     
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    Us did sold them with inferior armour and capabilities ,poor Saudi`s with all that money still got ripped off by American`s ,Al Khalid may be inferior to these names but one thing is for sure ,it is true to its value no rip off`s (What ever we have in tech will be offered to KSA).In other words bang for bucks (AL-Khalid) .I think its time they start investing in Pak defence sector where we can mature Chinese tech with them.
     
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    KSA is testing AL-KHALID since 2009 and Al-Khalid has beaten many Tanks in Desert Tests and USA is not ready to sell large number of Abrams because of Israel and Germany refused to sell Leopard
     
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    I know AK-1 is a great tank, but the question is, why didn't Saudi Arabia explore other options? Such as the T-84 Yatagan, 120mm gun, can be fit with any FCS, etc...Or at least an AK-1 with a 120mm gun? I know it's not easy modifying tanks for new guns, but again, Ukraine offers a 120mm gun that is compatible with the replacement of the 125mm. Unless they did check out T-84, they might have missed on a great deal. T-84 Yatagan has the Leclerc-style autoloader, and therefore is very safe. Beats me why they didn't go that route. But anyways, congrats to Pakistan for this sale.
     
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    Is there any advantage that the 120mm T-84 gun has over the 125mm gun of AK?
     
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    120mm guns are better. They have 1 piece ammunition and therefore can have much safer bustle-mounted storage. Besides, Saudi Arabia already operates 120mm guns, why introduce another, arguably less safe calibre?
     
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    What do you mean by 1 piece ammunition?
     
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    125mm round has its advantages. The AK-1 which may be sold to Saudi Arabia has a 49 round capacity at 9 rounds / minute rate of fire.
     
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    125mm guns use 2 piece ammunition, the charge and the actual projectile are separate. This is the same with 120mm rifled British guns. However, all smoothbore 120mm guns (unless the 120mm Russian gun by FSUE also uses 2 piece ammo) use 1 piece ammunition, meaning the charge and projectile are together.

    True, but I have seen many entertaining videos of 125mm ammunition cook offs in Syria. Wouldn't want that happening to a Saudi or Pakistani crew. 120mm guns with autoloaders can achieve the same. IIRC Pakistan's Naiza round has ~550-600mm of penetration, and it's DU, which last time I checked is hazardous to crews and the environment.
     
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    But then again, DU rounds come with obvious combat advantages. BTW - Pakistan Army uses 125mm caliber for all of our tanks.
     
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    All modern tank guns are smoothbore, only the British are still sticking to Rifled guns. AK uses a 125mm smoothbore gun.
     
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    True (like self-sharpening), but the Germans found that Tungsten Carbide penetrators are more effective, although considering you guys have nukes using leftover DU is the most obvious (and cheap) choice.

    I know that, that's exactly what I said in my post. :)

    I know, but Saudi uses 90, 105, and 120mm. That's already enough logistical problems. Now there is one more added to the list.