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Bilal Khan (Quwa)

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Post swift retort, PAF has seen a major change in the curriculum where the training doctrine has been tightened like never before. More pilots are being disqualified due to a new syllabus that has been recently innovated.

For example, to qualify for section leader, let's say if there are x number of continuous sorties required. For any reason, in one of the sorties, the aircraft is forced to recover back without completing the mission. That sortie is not counted as per the new curriculum and the entire chain of qualification has to be duplicated. This not only puts the pilots to the test, but also the engineering and other combat support elements involved.

Your earlier verdict of complacency is based on a mere assumption that is actually far from what has been happening in the institution.
It sounds like we're stressing our airframes more, which necessitates new-build aircraft. I think we should be pushing PAC's JF-17 output to its limit, possibly look at expanding our order past the 188 aircraft (26 JF-17Bs and 162 Block-I/II/III). Perhaps manufacture a dozen or so for storage/attrition replacements.
 

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The very first JF-17 loss had an ejection too, IIRC. But we lost gem of a pilot because the aircraft was low, at an angle, & so the seat ejected into terrain before the parachute could deploy. Its been a few years and I am too lazy to double-check. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I think pilot was Sqdn leader Zulfiqar??
 

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no need to divulge every detail of the curriculum

Post swift retort, PAF has seen a major change in the curriculum where the training doctrine has been tightened like never before. More pilots are being disqualified due to a new syllabus that has been recently innovated.

For example, to qualify for section leader, let's say if there are x number of continuous sorties required. For any reason, in one of the sorties, the aircraft is forced to recover back without completing the mission. That sortie is not counted as per the new curriculum and the entire chain of qualification has to be duplicated. This not only puts the pilots to the test, but also the engineering and other combat support elements involved.

Your earlier verdict of complacency is based on a mere assumption that is actually far from what has been happening in the institution.
 

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Post swift retort, PAF has seen a major change in the curriculum where the training doctrine has been tightened like never before. More pilots are being disqualified due to a new syllabus that has been recently innovated.

For example, to qualify for section leader, let's say if there are x number of continuous sorties required. For any reason, in one of the sorties, the aircraft is forced to recover back without completing the mission. That sortie is not counted as per the new curriculum and the entire chain of qualification has to be duplicated. This not only puts the pilots to the test, but also the engineering and other combat support elements involved.

Your earlier verdict of complacency is based on a mere assumption that is actually far from what has been happening in the institution.
No further comments on this subject,
 

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Post swift retort, PAF has seen a major change in the curriculum where the training doctrine has been tightened like never before. More pilots are being disqualified due to a new syllabus that has been recently innovated.

For example, to qualify for section leader, let's say if there are x number of continuous sorties required. For any reason, in one of the sorties, the aircraft is forced to recover back without completing the mission. That sortie is not counted as per the new curriculum and the entire chain of qualification has to be duplicated. This not only puts the pilots to the test, but also the engineering and other combat support elements involved.

Your earlier verdict of complacency is based on a mere assumption that is actually far from what has been happening in the institution.
In IAF take off and landing is considered TOP GUN achievement.
 

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Post swift retort, PAF has seen a major change in the curriculum where the training doctrine has been tightened like never before. More pilots are being disqualified due to a new syllabus that has been recently innovated.

For example, to qualify for section leader, let's say if there are x number of continuous sorties required. For any reason, in one of the sorties, the aircraft is forced to recover back without completing the mission. That sortie is not counted as per the new curriculum and the entire chain of qualification has to be duplicated. This not only puts the pilots to the test, but also the engineering and other combat support elements involved.

Your earlier verdict of complacency is based on a mere assumption that is actually far from what has been happening in the institution.
Major change ? For a operation that was considered a success , what necessitates a major change ? Success is built upon. Maybe a few tweaks would have been enough ? Doesn't compute.
 

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Major change ? For a operation that was considered a success , what necessitates a major change ? Success is built upon. Maybe a few tweaks would have been enough ? Doesn't compute.
This is why I wanted to avoid further discussions. It is urged that the respected members must avoid critical topics in open forums.

Details of PAF pilot's training is not scope of this forum.
 

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Major change ? For a operation that was considered a success , what necessitates a major change ? Success is built upon. Maybe a few tweaks would have been enough ? Doesn't compute.
It was CCS cadre leading the Swift Retort Operation in the air. Strikers ( JF-17 Squadron Leader who dropped mk-83 is from CCS) Hassan Siddqiue , Noman, Mirage pilots. Veterans and CCS Cadres and Creme de la creme . Now the tactics has to trickle down to normal cadre, the regular squadrons.

PAF exposed their tactics to IAF. Another reason to modify and bring new tactics in curriculum to keep the element of surprise. You dont build upon already exposed tactics as Enemy has already anticipated your moves. You surprise them with new set of tactics.
 

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It was CCS cadre leading the Swift Retort Operation in the air. Strikers ( JF-17 Squadron Leader who dropped mk-83 is from CCS) Hassan Siddqiue , Noman, Mirage pilots. Veterans and CCS Cadres and Creme de la creme . Now the tactics has to trickle down to normal cadre, the regular squadrons.

PAF exposed their tactics to IAF. Another reason to modify and bring new tactics in curriculum to keep the element of surprise. You dont build upon already exposed tactics as Enemy has already anticipated your moves. You surprise them with new set of tactics.
Excellent post.

Similarly, tactics evolve regularly. Post swift retort we have also learnt significantly about enemy's training, tactics and doctrine. Hence there is no reason to be confused about these changes that actually represent progress.

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