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Windjammer

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they are 50.year obselete junk...
how you fly those relics safely is beyond me
cable metal.airframe peddles wtf
Unlike in IAF, no aircraft in PAF is held together by duct tape.

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Unlike in IAF, no aircraft in PAF is held together by duct tape.

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It truly is a credit to IAF pilots who still fly these in the line of duty. Have yet to see a PAF mirage or F-7 in this condition since they get written up for overhaul before they hit this state but torn headrest and all is sobering. Thankfully they are moving away from these migs even though they were deadly in embedded escort and Ambush CAP scenarios.
F7PG are interceptors
Mirages... Well you know what they are... Just ask bipin what they did on the 27th...oh wait
Please leave this jackass alone - he has no contribution other than wasting time
 

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It truly is a credit to IAF pilots who still fly these in the line of duty. Have yet to see a PAF mirage or F-7 in this condition since they get written up for overhaul before they hit this state but torn headrest and all is sobering. Thankfully they are moving away from these migs even though they were deadly in embedded escort and Ambush CAP scenarios.
True but it was also reported that the IAF ACM purposely or rather in a desperate attempt went up in one of these vulnerable aircraft to convince both the pilots and public that despite it's reputation in the IAF, the MiG-21 is safe to fly.
 

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True but it was also reported that the IAF ACM purposely or rather in a desperate attempt went up in one of these vulnerable aircraft to convince both the pilots and public that despite it's reputation in the IAF, the MiG-21 is safe to fly.
They have to - it was a good example of leading from the front in order to keep morale up both internally and for external accountability. PAF doesn’t have such a fear of accountability but also has the advantage of inheriting the high standards of the USAF. Prior to those days the PAF were considered showboating types who were crashing aircraft regularly as well due to some of the RAF battle of Britain flamboyant nature passed down. The IAF unfortunately inherited that too all the way into planning as well. It wasn’t until their cadre that trained in the US & west post 62 came into leadership positions that their culture improved.

For e.g AM post Rahim Khan was supposedly forced out for being a Qadiyani but the truth was he was a yes man for Bhutto with questionable leadership qualities and created a toxic culture within PAF. Thankfully, because the majority of senior leadership openly opposed him especially after a political coup stunt he was dismissed.

Point being - culture both internal and external plays a big role and just as in 71..if the IAF leadership is good they will bring in the guys who flew and led in multinational exercises instead of patting their backs they will be extremely dangerous for Pakistan more so than any Rafale or S400.
The leadership on the 26th and 27th was a mix if those that innovated during Kargil but also those that set up Cope India to win and whined about Red Flag. If the Kargil innovators stay and are joined by those that have true experiences from USAF,IDF and Singapore .. PAF will worry.
 

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They have to - it was a good example of leading from the front in order to keep morale up both internally and for external accountability. PAF doesn’t have such a fear of accountability but also has the advantage of inheriting the high standards of the USAF. Prior to those days the PAF were considered showboating types who were crashing aircraft regularly as well due to some of the RAF battle of Britain flamboyant nature passed down. The IAF unfortunately inherited that too all the way into planning as well. It wasn’t until their cadre that trained in the US & west post 62 came into leadership positions that their culture improved.

For e.g AM post Rahim Khan was supposedly forced out for being a Qadiyani but the truth was he was a yes man for Bhutto with questionable leadership qualities and created a toxic culture within PAF. Thankfully, because the majority of senior leadership openly opposed him especially after a political coup stunt he was dismissed.

Point being - culture both internal and external plays a big role and just as in 71..if the IAF leadership is good they will bring in the guys who flew and led in multinational exercises instead of patting their backs they will be extremely dangerous for Pakistan more so than any Rafale or S400.
The leadership on the 26th and 27th was a mix if those that innovated during Kargil but also those that set up Cope India to win and whined about Red Flag. If the Kargil innovators stay and are joined by those that have true experiences from USAF,IDF and Singapore .. PAF will worry.

So, your post seems to (indirectly) indicate that the folks sitting at the very top (i.e. Shri Doval etc) is suffering inefficient leadership of Indian Armed forces (either maintenance or combat men). You should spend some time on accomplishments of Shri Doval and then determine for yourself, if such individuals suffer fools (BTW - the conclusion you arrive at, will tell more about yourself than about Shri Doval).

All the many years in the past, Pakistan has never encountered such efficient leadership at the very very top of Indian Armed forces [Nehru's attempts at de-valuing combat forces; Indira Gandhi's insecurity; Rajiv Gandhi's non-aggressive nature and the less said about Gujral; MMS etc the better].

In India, NSA is the most powerful bureaucrat. He is the only guy ,other than PM, who has all the info about everything related to Indian armed forces. Even defence minister or Home minister is kept out of that information loop.....and we have Shri Doval sitting there.

The current Indian leadership is bringing paradigm shift in India (slowly but surely).

But (I think) the top leadership of Pakistan realises that their options are getting smaller or they are going to deal with different India in short future, hence those vicious statements like (for ex): I don't want to deal with current Indian leadership, as if they have other options (or) if India is desperate to engage them. I think the anti-india rhetoric for current Pak's top leadership has reached the same level as Benazir Bhutto's shrill levels (when she was PM).

Pakistan will have to get used to new Indian leadership. However - I do believe, Pakistan will find new ways to pester India, however big / small they are. You can not abandon the reason for your existence, can you?

PS#1: I could have written more, but then there is no point as you will find nothing useful in my post and may potentially indulge in an ad homiem attack.
PS#2: Everyone: Please read the intent in my whole post rather than isolate sentences and rip them. hah, I am asking too much.
PS#3: This is not an intention to troll.
 

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So, your post seems to (indirectly) indicate that the folks sitting at the very top (i.e. Shri Doval etc) is suffering inefficient leadership of Indian Armed forces (either maintenance or combat men). You should spend some time on accomplishments of Shri Doval and then determine for yourself, if such individuals suffer fools (BTW - the conclusion you arrive at, will tell more about yourself than about Shri Doval).

All the many years in the past, Pakistan has never encountered such efficient leadership at the very very top of Indian Armed forces [Nehru's attempts at de-valuing combat forces; Indira Gandhi's insecurity; Rajiv Gandhi's non-aggressive nature and the less said about Gujral; MMS etc the better].

In India, NSA is the most powerful bureaucrat. He is the only guy ,other than PM, who has all the info about everything related to Indian armed forces. Even defence minister or Home minister is kept of that information loop.....and we have Shri Doval sitting there.

The current Indian leadership is bringing paradigm shift in India (slowly but surely).

But (I think) the top leadership of Pakistan realises that their options are getting smaller or they are going to deal with different India in short future, hence those vicious statements like (for ex): I don't want to deal with current Indian leadership, as if they have other options (or) if India is desperate to engage them. I think the anti-india rhetoric for current Pak's top leadership has reached the same level as Benazir Bhutto's shrill levels (when she was PM).

Pakistan will have to get used to new Indian leadership. However - I do believe, Pakistan will find new ways to pester India, however big / small they are. You can not abandon the reason for your existence, can you?

PS#1: I could have written more, but then there is no point as you will find nothing useful in my post and may potentially indulge in an ad homiem attack.
PS#2: Everyone: Please read the intent in my whole post rather than isolate sentences and rip them. hah, I am asking too much.
PS#3: This is not an intention to troll.
Please don’t write more - there is a limited appetite for self fellatio nonsense. We are well briefed about Doval but did not know he was lord admiral general marshall of the Indian military and was the sole one setting policy.
As for efficient leadership, please read posts before deciding to post braggart and condescending content and whining about ad hominem attacks.

Also stating that your posts will be attacked in order to find yourself some high horse is typical Bhaktora behavior.
 

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Please don’t write more - there is a limited appetite for self fellatio nonsense. We are well briefed about Doval but did not know he was lord admiral general marshall of the Indian military and was the sole one setting policy.
As for efficient leadership, please read posts before deciding to post braggart and condescending content and whining about ad hominem attacks.

Also stating that your posts will be attacked in order to find yourself some high horse is typical Bhaktora behavior.
As long as his is the prevalent view of what capable leadership should look like on their side. It makes Pakistan’s job easier, and it’s always refreshing to see.

Some people are so far gone that they actually believe that a two front war scenario will go well for them, or that Pakistan’s nukes are few and low yield. As long as some doubt remains in their hearts on the latter. The former way of thinking is what allows us to keep up with them using a fraction of the resources.
 

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