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No Military Solution to Afghan Conflict: NATO (Update)

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  1. M.R.9

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    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has said that there is no military solution to the conflict in Afghanistan.


    After talks with NATO defense ministers in Brussels, Stoltenberg said, “We don’t think that there is a military solution to the conflict in Afghanistan, but we strongly believe that we need a strong Afghan force to be able to create the conditions for a political solution.”

    The Secretary General warned Taliban that they cannot win war in the battle grounds.

    “Taliban has to understand that they will never win on the battlefield, so they have to come to the negotiating table and agree to a political solution. That’s the reason why we are providing military support, it’s to enable a political solution,” he added.

    Stoltenberg noted that NATO welcomes any effort for a political solution to the conflict in Afghanistan.

    “We welcome any efforts to find a political solution and we strongly believe that this should be an Afghan-led and an Afghan-owned peace process, so therefore NATO support the Afghan-led and the Afghan-owned peace process, which also of course, at some stage, has to include finding a political solution with the Taliban.” he added.

    This comes as recently, Taliban has published an open letter to the American people and called on them to demand an end the conflict in Afghanistan and to reject the inexperienced policies of president Trump and his war-monger advisors.
     
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    LOL Too little too late.
     
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    lol USA has lost the war in Afghanistan.
     
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    Pakistan has been saying that for last 10 years.
     
  5. M.R.9

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    Afghanistan is that land which country defeated 2 super power- 1- USSR and broke the backbone of US. Now only 30K US military is over there. Why ?

    Strategically PK has good connection with Afgans many more tribe. So PK can clime that. Nothing wrong wid that .
     
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    Our aim is to strengthen the Afghan security forces so they can create the conditions for a peaceful solution”, the Secretary General said. He also praised President Ghani’s recent offer of peace talks with the Taliban, stressing that “an Afghan-led and Afghan-owned peace process is essential to a long-term, inclusive political settlement.

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_155349.htm

    After 17 years now they're speaking Pakistan's language. Hopefully they actually act on it.
     
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    Yes there is solution....make Afghanistan a colony of Pakistan....

    Which war they succeeded since Vietnam? they just managed to capture resources, destroying well settled regimes and mascaraing of millions of Muslims.
     
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    No that would be a disaster for Pakistan. It would be like another FATA(except bigger in scale) with the whole separate tribal laws and what not. A good chunk of population uneducated living in undeveloped conditions and jobless. Pakistan doesn't have the resources to fix all that and even if it did, it would require an immense amount of time and patience.

    A solution that I find workable is that Pakistan should "buy"(legally and not by force) Wakhan Corridor. This would be an investment that would go a long way and not just in terms of money.
     
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    you are right...
    theoretically one can argue though depends, pushtoon population of jalabad, qandahar and other adjust areas can be brought in, but what about rest of pushtoon areas
     
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    Theoretically speaking...any area in the world and any population can be developed/educated/civilized so that problems like the ones that currently exist are minimized...but I just think it's not worth the hassle for Pak(in this theoretical scenario)

    Secondly Afghans despite their internal tensions are a proud ppl. They would consider Pakistan as an occupier and it would make it that much harder to integrate them.

    The Wakhan Corridor on the other hand(and Wakhan Corridor ONLY) makes a lot of sense from a geostrategic perspective for Pak. It will cut off Afghanistan from China. Any trade between the two would have to go through Pak. Moreover it will give Pak a direct route to Central Asian States...but that's not the best part.

    The best part of such a scenario would be that it would forever eliminate the threat of a second front for Pak. With this Afghanistan would become dependent on Pak for trade with China...it already is dependent on Pak/Iran for a sea route and for trade with India.

    1) For any food needs...
    Afghanistan would need to import from India/Pak(or any other nation) would have to pass through Pakistan
    2) Any other imports from China/Europe/US/etc...using the sea route(being the most economical) would have to pass through Pakistan. In case of imports from China by land...those would also go through Pak via CPEC.
    3) For exports...the same would apply as 1 and 2

    This would greatly increase Pak's importance for Afghanistan. Afghanistan would have to maintain good relations.

    In worst case scenario if somehow Afghanistan still chooses to play into India's hands, creates a second front, and starts a war...then all trade can be easily blocked and even a moderately strong Afghanistan wouldn't be able to continue its war efforts for long.

    The best case scenario would be that both Pak/Afghanistan grow together with no tensions between them.

    I think Pak's government should try its best to use Afghan peace process as a bargaining chip to try and get Wakhan corridor.

    - To the west and Afghanistan guarantee peace in Afghanistan
    - Offer payment for the Wakhan corridor territory
    - Bribe Afghan politicians(the easiest part)
    - In return for all of this acquire Wakhan Corridor legally.
     
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    Ek trillion dollar lutta kar laut ke budhu ghar ko aaye. :yahoo::usflag::yahoo:
     
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    NATO took a long time to realize that
     
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    After a decade of blaming Pakistan and trying to make Pakistan a scapegoat, they are finally saying the same things we have been for years. They've failed. They were bound to fail.
     
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    Afghanistan is a country of tribes and their rivalries; nobody wins there.

    To Afghans, US is just another tribe trying to have its say in Afghan affairs.
     
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    Let's not take their statements as solace or any indication that they're ready to work towards peace in the region. They's said the same thing since 2008. They will continue to create instability and try to muddy as many waters as possible because that is US's stated new strategic policy - simply staying in the game; win or lose. Plus their "no military solution" and "inclusive political settlement" looks a hell of a different than Pak or others in the region envisage.

    From Pak's side, one needs to ask, is an afghan "solution" in its interests? I don't think so. Let it fester, boil, disintegrate; push the problems it has created within Pak back across the international border (Iran has done a wonderful job of it) and wait for Kabul to implode or come pleading to settle on Pak's terms.