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I actually work for Rolls-Royce and am not at liberty to share the exact details, but let's just say this engine will be very 'intelligent'. Next gen EHM techniques will be deployed and will be connected to R-R central room where various parameters can be monitored and certain events can be predicted before they happen.

The inspection technologies that will be used in this will be next gen to the current standard BSI inspections done for EJ200.

Also, a lot more 'on-wing reapirs' will be available to make it easier to maintain and reduce overhaul costs.

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I was thinking about this yesterday 6th Gen would also have a Comm capability with a wing man? Maybe the 6th Gen plane would be some what self aware.

In a sense, it's actually a VERY TALL order that is required from "true" 6th generation aircraft. Basically it's the same size leap that we saw from 4th gen to 5th gen which when you look at the elements that made that leap, they were extraordinary! Design factor alone was a whole new concept in creating efficient, non-radar returning shape with that corner line that runs straight down the center side of the fuselage from radome to rear of aircraft. To the elimination of 90 degree angles and to RAM and cruise control just to name the few main ones. All of these were really huge leaps from 4th gen aircraft and what seems to be needed here, now, is the same level of "changes," so to speak, in the 6th gen aircraft that they must be major leaps to the 5th gen parameters which frankly is a major tall order!

6th Gen is about systems of systems, with a different higher order of sensor fusion(take the F35 level up one notch), energy directed weapons(lasers, and other high intensity beams) and autonomous automation of operations(wingman drones), higher sustained cruise speeds, modulator construction with an agile driven approach to design and delivery.. take weapons integrations from years to months, or weeks by making the platform more of a software platform, etc...

The term is a marketing term, but it singifies an uptick in performance from the F35, which is the current benchmark on some of these systems.

I'd say your list is pretty accurate and so was @PakFactor 's. In order to qualify these tremendous leaps from 5th to 6th, it's going to take a whole new generation of technology & wepons to make that happen and it will involve, IMO, these items:

1) Body shape, will need to jump a whole new step (complete new designs that even accept radical ones such as the YF-23 and X-32) where the US differs in the British design like the Tempest is that the US is putting A LOT of value on a tail-less design. No vertical stabilizers with rudders or all-moving stabilators.
2) RAM material (technology needs to jump a whole new step in effectiveness)
3) Weapons (will need to be compatible to old weapon types while having new weapons [mainly laser weapons like you suggested] and other brand new concepts including possibly restricted EMP weapons? Energy weapons that attack at the speed of light will need to be factors.
4) Engines need a major leap and possibly ones that lower heat signature by 50 percent to make them less prone to heat-seeking missiles which are mostly what brings down aircraft for air launched to especially ground launched.
5) Avionics - artificial intelligence needs to be a huge part of this development. Flying the aircraft in critical situation by sensors to the pilot's helmet and brain instead of stick inputs. Avionics that incorporate computers capable of making the correct evasive decisions in super fast timing to evade incoming missiles.
6) RADARS & ECM will probably be the biggest leap IMO. Radars need better capabilities to detect stealthier designs than in the past. 5th gen aircraft should be easily picked up with 6th gen radars. The radars need to be smaller in order not to give out their RCS as well as be VERY DIFFICULT to jam.

These are the leaps that will need to be made and they are significant leaps, otherwise these new, supposed 6th generation aircraft will be considered the usual that is being done now, and that is 5+ or 5++ and not true 6th generation and let's face it. Aside from all the political fury and hatred or whatever there is, the standard to meet will be whatever the US puts forth as the 6th generation aircraft. I don't think any other country has the position to dictate what meets the criteria for 6th generation except the US and what the US creates because it has been the leading, innovator and designer and producer of the first and best next generation aircraft in recent history.
And so far, the biggest bang in a changed requirement for 6th generation aircraft the US has made somewhat a major factor and requirement is a tailless aircraft. I don't see the Tempest in that configuration but it does have a lot of the other design elements to the new shapes of wings etc.

This is Boeing's rendition of what the 6th generation will look like. Note the lack of V-stabs.
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Other designs, also tailless.
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Possibly the next USAF & USN aircraft.

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You never answered the question, what makes this aircraft a 6th generation? I'd like to know why the Brits think this will be a 6th gen aircraft?

-Kinetic weapons.
-LDEW
-Ability to deploy mass UAV's to assess DAAADC.
-Flexibility to change systems to suit missions
-Unmanned operations mode
-Virtual cockpit
-Surplus electricity generated through magnets in the turbine cores
-Modular construction for future upgrades
-Engines deep inside, part of the airframe

The design obviously shares some characteristics with its 5th generation predecessors.
 

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I actually work for Rolls-Royce and am not at liberty to share the exact details, but let's just say this engine will be very 'intelligent'. Next gen EHM techniques will be deployed and will be connected to R-R central room where various parameters can be monitored and certain events can be predicted before they happen.

The inspection technologies that will be used in this will be next gen to the current standard BSI inspections done for EJ200.

Also, a lot more 'on-wing reapirs' will be available to make it easier to maintain and reduce overhaul costs.

@waz

Regards,
Akash

Dude were you born here, citizenship etc .So I can address you as a fellow Brit.
 
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-Kinetic weapons.
-LDEW
-Ability to deploy mass UAV's to assess DAAADC.
-Flexibility to change systems to suit missions
-Unmanned operations mode
-Virtual cockpit
-Surplus electricity generated through magnets in the turbine cores
-Modular construction for future upgrades
-Engines deep inside, part of the airframe

The design obviously shares some characteristics with its 5th generation predecessors.

Aside from the unmanned operations, most of the other stuff is all really minor upgrades and some of them are already present in the F-35. No idea what LDEW is? List is not as banging as I thought it would be.

Deploying mass UAVs to assess????? I'm guessing that's something to do with recon of enemy defenses and particularly air defense systems? But no idea what abbreviation or acronyms stand for. Deploying mass UAVs means the aircraft itself will be deploying many UAVs and then controlling them? So to carry them, they must be very small drones (like my Mavic-Pro) or even smaller to fit a mass amount of them in that aircraft or in a launch tube or cruise missile? That would be cool and something that the Russians actually spoke of doing in their Ka-52 helicopters.

Virtual cockpit is pretty much already in the F-35 unless you're eluding to something totally different. You can only go so far in the virtual world before it becoming unmanned.

Surplus electricity? Not a huge need TBH.
Modular construction sounds good, but for what exactly? Would be nice to know what is in mind for future changes or add-ons.

Engines deep is also something that has been super-stressed in the F-22 and even in current 4+ jets like the F/A-18 Super Hornet. F-35 can only be pushed so far because of the need for the B-variant and STOVL that it needs the 'Lift Fan' to give it vertical thrust in the forward sections of the aircraft and by doing that, it eliminated any heat recycling into the air intakes which cause explosions under the aircraft and this is basically what beat the X-32. The lift fan was a genius innovation that not only gave the AC the optimal vertical thrust, but it eliminated all that hot air ingestion that plagued all but mostly the Harrier in VTOL aircraft. So not much room to stick engines deep if STOVL is a requirement.
That will be something to see if the Tempest will have a requirement for a STOVL variant for the Royal Navy or will they just settle for the F-35B for as long as it takes?
 

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Dude were you born here, citizenship etc .So I can address you as a fellow Brit.

No I was born in India, but moved here when I was 5 year old.

To work for R-R defence you need to get SC (Security Clearance level SC) which anyone can get if they're British national and have been residing in the UK for the last 10 years. You don't need to have been born in the UK.

I'm so excited for some of the stuff my team's been working on, but can't share the specifics.

You're Zaki right? Sorry I just realised you're not Zaki. Zaki is still @ Zaki

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what LDEW

Laser weapon afaik

Virtual cockpit is pretty much already in the F-35 unless you're eluding to something totally different. You can only go so far in the virtual world before it becoming unmanned.

It's basically about controlling the aircraft through virtual reality


Deploying mass UAVs means the aircraft itself will be deploying many UAVs and then controlling them?

It can control other unmanned vehicles
 
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It's basically about controlling the aircraft through virtual reality

Cool, thanks for taking the time to explain those few points. So it's in between unmanned and manned. The F-35 has a similar feature with the helmet in that you can actually see all around you and through the aircraft as if it wasn't there. Same technology they're using on trucks and vehicles now where you can see behind you and even behind whatever you're trailing such as an RV or a boat etc. I guess that's pretty cool to be a feature that indicates 6th generation capabilities. I suppose my question would be how far does that go before you're better off just using the unmanned setup? I bet you there are a lot of pilots who would prefer reality than virtual reality and being able to see on hands what is happening in front of them and touching real dials and buttons. This will be interesting to see if it takes off or crashes, no pun intended.
 

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