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Khaqan Humayun

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On this forum there are many people who dont even know what is being done in this country.
But they reject the ideas of other person , like they have invented a spaceship for Pakistan.
 

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On this forum there are many people who dont even know what is being done in this country.
But they reject the ideas of other person , like they have invented a spaceship for Pakistan.

No, the problem is newbies come here and talk like kids and when the seniors correct them, they deny to accept and understand and only make themselves look bad. From your posts its evident u know nothing about fighter jets, their design or control systems. You also seem to be living on mars and not looking at financial and ground realities of Pakistan and its R&D sector.
Have u ever customized a car? Or even a bike? Im sure never and u talk of changing and redesigning a fighter jet as if its a joke. Do u know how flight control system is designed and its limitations? Do u know redesigning at times can be more difficult and expensive and challenging than a new clean sheet design? There are professionals on this forum and very experienced ppl, so id suggest u lay low and try to learn something from them instead of acting dumb and arrogant.
 

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No, the problem is newbies come here and talk like kids and when the seniors correct them, they deny to accept and understand and only make themselves look bad. From your posts its evident u know nothing about fighter jets, their design or control systems. You also seem to be living on mars and not looking at financial and ground realities of Pakistan and its R&D sector.
Have u ever customized a car? Or even a bike? Im sure never and u talk of changing and redesigning a fighter jet as if its a joke. Do u know how flight control system is designed and its limitations? Do u know redesigning at times can be more difficult and expensive and challenging than a new clean sheet design? There are professionals on this forum and very experienced ppl, so id suggest u lay low and try to learn something from them instead of acting dumb and arrogant.

People like you we had in 70 era when People were saying Pakistan can not make Nukes.
How many types of jet have you made?

Even in Last century People used to say how Muslim will get separate country?
But we got.

USA have Technology and Power Taliban will never come back.
But they came back.

This is our History our everything start from No, then we turn it into Yes.

If you were in Air Force, so you may know that PAF have redesing and upgraded many jets.
Even some of them we bought without diagram, they were used Jets and with the help of any other we upgraded those jets.
France was asking millions of dollers to upgrade those aircraft. But our own engineering wing done that without westing time and mony.
 

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I tried and as expected failed.
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Mian khush raho hum dua kar chale
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Araz,

I expect that you have been married a long time ( at one time or another, ) surprised that you didn't sense a losing argument from the start, regardless of how right you be.
 

TNT

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People like you we had in 70 era when People were saying Pakistan can not make Nukes.
How many types of jet have you made?

Even in Last century People used to say how Muslim will get separate country?
But we got.

USA have Technology and Power Taliban will never come back.
But they came back.

This is our History our everything start from No, then we turn it into Yes.

If you were in Air Force, so you may know that PAF have redesing and upgraded many jets.
Even some of them we bought without diagram, they were used Jets and with the help of any other we upgraded those jets.
France was asking millions of dollers to upgrade those aircraft. But our own engineering wing done that without westing time and mony.

The people who made those ideas into reality were realists and hard workers and not fanboys with unrealistic and useless suggestions. There is a difference between upgrading and redesigning and the word "upgradation" can mean many things. Upgrading mirages was realistic and usefull, converting jf17 into twin engine is unrealistic, useless and dumb. As i said, learn something here.
 

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Araz,

I expect that you have been married a long time ( at one time or another, ) surprised that you didn't sense a losing argument from the start, regardless of how right you be.
Bhai. Loved your post. Alhamdolillah Iam married 31 years and counting. Isee where you are coming from but presumably from one married man to another sometimes you still have to try. Him I can ignore, she on the other hand cannot be ignored
Regards
A
 

Khaqan Humayun

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The people who made those ideas into reality were realists and hard workers and not fanboys with unrealistic and useless suggestions. There is a difference between upgrading and redesigning and the word "upgradation" can mean many things. Upgrading mirages was realistic and usefull, converting jf17 into twin engine is unrealistic, useless and dumb. As i said, learn something here.

There were people like you on this forum, I told them what will happen and they said you are Taliban supporter.

Again what Im telling you this will be done, Experiments will take place soon.
Design and study has been started long ago.
Do you think we will wait for india, to surprise us?

For more than 70 Years we study them, we are ready to surprise them.
Gen: Asif Ghafoor was 100% right.
 

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On this forum there are many people who dont even know what is being done in this country.
But they reject the ideas of other person , like they have invented a spaceship for Pakistan.

this forum to some extent full with intellects and humble, to some extent full with those who are willing to learn, mostly are those who have their own science based on self thought assumptions and they live with it happily.

i'm sorry but you my friend have no space here until i could determine what kind you are.
 

TNT

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There were people like you on this forum, I told them what will happen and they said you are Taliban supporter.

Again what Im telling you this will be done, Experiments will take place soon.
Design and study has been started long ago.
Do you think we will wait for india, to surprise us?

For more than 70 Years we study them, we are ready to surprise them.
Gen: Asif Ghafoor was 100% right.

So the topic changes to how good a future teller u are? Lolz we already have project azm, which is a twin engine platform, so no there is no design or experiment on twin engine JF17. And taliban coming to power was written on the wall long ago, u did not predict anything extraordinary.
 

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@Khaqan Humayun

Sir, Thank You for your kind wishes, but JF-17 with twin engines is out of the question, as of now.

It was meant as a light weight fighter, to replace low tier fighters in the inventory, something it is doing exceptionally well.

Given its inherent limitations, a twin engine variant is not feasible. If what you say, really held true, then J-10 and others, would not be serious contenders, but that is not the case, Or is it?
 

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There were people like you on this forum, I told them what will happen and they said you are Taliban supporter.

Again what Im telling you this will be done, Experiments will take place soon.
Design and study has been started long ago.
Do you think we will wait for india, to surprise us?

For more than 70 Years we study them, we are ready to surprise them.
Gen: Asif Ghafoor was 100% right.
JF-17 dual engine is not happening. Yes you are right that we won't wait for India to surprise us. That is why J-10 C are coming. That is why if in near future India goes for F-15 or F-18's latest blocks then J-16 option are also open.
 

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Dual engine JFT will be a replication of Mig 35 in actual, then why to invest in R&D when you can have them in ecnomical cost.
But PAF is not interested medium weight twin engine jet at all instead they are actually interested in heavyweight twin engine jet class.

For meduim they are inducting J10P along with existing F16s
 

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Not much knowledge on PAF's current doctrine however some aspects of USAF model can be modified and inducted such as growing PAF at a faster rate than Army and Navy so as to allow PAF to annihilate advancing enemy ground and naval forces at the very start of the war. This could mean increasing number of PAF's combat squadrons as well as number of aircrafts but it could ensure victory on many fronts since Army has just two strike Corps and Navy has fewer strike combatants to send into hostile seas. Furthermore, keep skies clear over both forces and keep own territory safe through constant CAPs. If Pakistan uses CMs and BMs to hit enemy fixed installations, then PAF should be ready to hit enemy mobile forces and installations. PAF should take part in almost every offensive that Army and Navy undertakes and should conduct interdiction strikes on enemy mobilization near border and reinforcements coming to join offensives against Pakistan. PA sticks to its current number of divisions while Navy grows more . PA will make ad hoc formations during event of war to confuse enemy, Navy doesn't have much choice but has lots of chances to stay on defensive. Its PAF which has to make a difference in the outcome of war. Army can hardly support the Navy except maybe Marines while Navy cannot support Army. PAF has lots of responsibility on its shoulders.

Another overlooked factor is PAF supporting SSG and SSW in all BEL Ops where artillery fire or heavy weapon fire support cannot reach.
 

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Dual engine JFT will be a replication of Mig 35 in actual, then why to invest in R&D when you can have them in ecnomical cost.
But PAF is not interested medium weight twin engine jet at all instead they are actually interested in heavyweight twin engine jet class.

For meduim they are inducting J10P along with existing F16s

Twin engine JF-17 would no longer be a JF-17 and IMO actually result in a product similar to J-31/35. DSI intakes + 2 xRD-93s

You are right indications are towards a heavyweight with Azm. We know from exACM statements it would be future ready for directed energy equipment once they become available, which means will need to have some seriously powerful powerplants. Hoping something similar to F-23 as we already know strike role will be important for it as well. Expecting a 5+ gen platform here.

With just 4-5 teases of JF-17 b3 even. PAF totally blanking us out on developments is irritating however keeps InAF in dark as well so its a strategy that works.
 
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