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Not sure about the thinking of PAF on that, for layman like me, 10/14 would have made sense as 18 current would have taken the tally to 28/32. Thus the PAF would have ended up with two squardren at either 14 or 16 vipers apiece. I guess PAF would have gone for 8 more later on to bring the tally up to 36 Block-52+ or so, I reckon we will never know as PAF opted not to pay 100% out of pocket.
Now block 52 will not make sense, so PAf can go for old used block upgrade to V standard or if can afford then block 70/72 as now PAF will not go for non AESA bird
 

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I still think pak should go for SU 35 we need a dedicated air superiority jet to counter rafale we cant put all eggs on chinese baskets we can put chinese missikes on su 35 chiba already uses these jets

We got opportunity need to avail these jets arr state of the art when defending nation logistics etc excuses are baseless
 

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I still think pak should go for SU 35 we need a dedicated air superiority jet to counter rafale we cant put all eggs on chinese baskets we can put chinese missikes on su 35 chiba already uses these jets

We got opportunity need to avail these jets arr state of the art when defending nation logistics etc excuses are baseless
Su-35 stands no chance in front of Rafale
 

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IMO, you are right about qualitative lopsidedness between the J-10 and Rafale.

JF-17+F-16+Mirage-III/V is a right strategy but one that will last only a short while.

- Mirages are surviving on borrowed life.

- We can acquire as many JF-17s as we want but it will not change the fact that the aircraft was designed to be 2nd tier fighter and is likely to continue in that role.

- If Pakistan fails to secure logistics support and weapons for F-16s than we are looking at non-technical attrition of the aircraft in the future. Addressing this should be priority alongside buying new F-16s - that is IF we plan to buy new F-16s and are able to get them.

By J-35 I assume you mean J-31/FC-31? The aircraft has not completely passed the developmental phase. It is too soon to consider it.

I have a feeling that Pakistan has been impressed with Flankers, but more particularly the Chinese J-11B and J-16. But the Russians have prevented China from exporting these aircraft to anyone. However, if they want to push Su-35 to Pakistan then we could and should insist on a modified aircraft. Unfortunately, we think in terms of piecemeal acquisitions of 8 or 16 or 18 aircraft, which means ToT and customisations of the aircraft similar in pattern to the Indian Su-30MKI cannot be on the cards.
J35 is expected to fly this yr(based upon f31 prototype) and if previous timeline any help wil be in serial production in 5yrs

J10 will come if f16s are cmpromised but may not be a good choice if our f16s are doing good given it doesnt outclass rafale and will not give PAF qualitative edge

Mirage5 will last 10 yrs for their particular niche even longer if PAF wants it(but wont be relevant then)
Block 3 with better engine and AESA may close in gap between 1st&second tier jets
Flankers not coming
Chinese flankers russia wont allow
 

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J35 is expected to fly this yr(based upon f31 prototype) and if previous timeline any help wil be in serial production in 5yrs

J10 will come if f16s are cmpromised but may not be a good choice if our f16s are doing good given it doesnt outclass rafale and will not give PAF qualitative edge

Mirage5 will last 10 yrs for their particular niche even longer if PAF wants it(but wont be relevant then)
Block 3 with better engine and AESA may close in gap between 1st&second tier jets
Flankers not coming
Chinese flankers russia wont allow
Flankers may not come but don't rule out Chinese Flankers. Things are changing really fast on geo political space. And Russia is need of China not the other way around and if Pakistan wants China can easily convince Russia to not cause any trouble in sale.
 

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I still think pak should go for SU 35 we need a dedicated air superiority jet to counter rafale we cant put all eggs on chinese baskets we can put chinese missikes on su 35 chiba already uses these jets

We got opportunity need to avail these jets arr state of the art when defending nation logistics etc excuses are baseless
Sir , now Chinese jet are better then russian considering avionics and BRV weaponry and quality of stuff as well

Only chines lack is engines, which in few years they might cover easily
Make sense, just add heavyweight categories advantage or can say kick back to russian so they allow Chinese flanker export for future

Nothing new or imp to bring instead another plateform to maintain
It doesn't come with either and will not be networked with Saabs either. It has no real benefit for PAF aside from bringing on CAATSA related troubles
J35 is expected to fly this yr(based upon f31 prototype) and if previous timeline any help wil be in serial production in 5yrs

J10 will come if f16s are cmpromised but may not be a good choice if our f16s are doing good given it doesnt outclass rafale and will not give PAF qualitative edge

Mirage5 will last 10 yrs for their particular niche even longer if PAF wants it(but wont be relevant then)
Block 3 with better engine and AESA may close in gap between 1st&second tier jets
Flankers not coming
Chinese flankers russia wont allow
For PAF combination of J10C along with J31/j35 along with workhouse thunder block 3 will server best and till project AZM materialized
 

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Flankers may not come but don't rule out Chinese Flankers. Things are changing really fast on geo political space. And Russia is need of China not the other way around and if Pakistan wants China can easily convince Russia to not cause any trouble in sale.
Everything is possible, but Russian need $$ as well , all defence deals revolves around financial earning and geo political gain there no friends in defense industries
 

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Russia-Pakistan Relations: Was the Russian Foreign Minister's visit to Pakistan part of an effort to pave the way for the sale of SU-35 aircraft?
  • Umar Farooq​
  • Defense analyst​
April 12, 2021
SU-35 fighter jet

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SU-35 fighter jet
Pakistan has been trying to get SU-35 fighter jets from Russia for many years, but long-standing ties between Russia and India have always stood in the way of this important defense deal.
But Russian and Pakistani defense experts attributed not only Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov's recent visit to India and Pakistan, but also an indirect offer by the Pakistani army chief to improve relations with India, to pave the way for the deal. Are giving
For the past three years, whenever the Pakistani military has begun negotiations to buy state-of-the-art weapons from Russia, the Pakistani military leadership has taken a step forward, offering peace to its traditional rival India. Message chat.
This first happened three years ago when Pakistan Army Chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa visited Moscow on April 24, 2018, which was described in Russian and Pakistani media statements as "broader military cooperation" between the two countries.
Contrary to common practice, he, meanwhile, offered peace talks to the neighboring country to normalize relations with India.
Similarly, while General Qamar Javed Bajwa and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov were discussing closer defense and military co-operation between the two countries during their recent visit to Pakistan, the Pakistani army chief went a step further and reassured India. This was stated in a press note issued by the Public Relations Department (ISPR) of the Armed Forces.
According to the statement, General Qamar Bajwa said that Pakistan has no "war intentions" against any country in the region.
Also read
Sergei Lavrov's visit to Pakistan: Will the current warmth in relations be maintained?
How can the weapons of China, Turkey and Russia improve Pakistan's combat capabilities?
Russia's foreign minister with his umbrella and Pakistan's Makhdoom with his servants
This seems to be a requirement of the circumstances under which the Russian military-industrial complex has to get approval from its political masters for the sale of Russian-made Su-35 fighter jets, the purchase of which the Pakistan Air Force has expressed interest in. ۔
Former Pakistan Air Force chief Air Marshal Sohail Aman visited Moscow specifically in July 2016 to negotiate with Russian military officials over the purchase of the required weapons.
In August 2018, Russian pilots were piloting several SU-35s in Pakistan on an experimental basis, indicating an undisclosed number of purchases of this state-of-the-art fighter jet between the Pakistani military and the Russian Federation's military-industrial complex. Negotiations are ongoing.
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The move also refuted earlier statements by Russian defense officials that no talks were under way for the supply of Su-35 aircraft to Pakistan, which could potentially balance military power in the subcontinent. How can that change?
A report published in the Russian news agency Sputnik quoted Zamir Kabulov, director of the Russian Foreign Ministry's Second Division for Asia, as saying that "despite the announcement of a possible acquisition by Pakistan, Moscow Islam Abad is not discussing the supply of SU-35 fighter jets.
Earlier, Pakistan's ambassador to Russia told Sputnik that in July in Moscow, Pakistan's Chief of Air Staff Sohail Aman had "meaningful talks" over the purchase of a SU-35 from Russia.
Experts say the SU-35 is a twin-engine aircraft that can fly long distances (and has the best performance). With the acquisition of this aircraft, Pakistan will be able to have a solid and significant presence in the Arabian Sea, for which the aged 'Mirage Squadron' is not useful.
Similarly, the locally made JF-17 cannot achieve this desired goal in terms of its range of flight. Speaking on condition of anonymity, a former Pakistan Air Force pilot said: It will be needed.
India has been urging Moscow not to sell sophisticated aircraft such as the SU-35 to the Pakistan Air Force, which could upset the balance of military power in South Asia.
Just weeks after the Pakistan Air Force chief's visit to Moscow and talks with Russian military officials about the sale of the SU-35, an Indian delegation led by a senior security official arrived in Moscow with Russian officials to lobby.
During the visit, there was a flurry of news in the Russian media denying Pakistani claims that talks had taken place in Moscow for the sale of the SU-35.
The Russian Federation is still pursuing attractive and heavy defense deals with its Cold War ally India, and political and military ties are still very strong. However, the Russian military-industrial complex is looking to Pakistan as a major customer for the sale of its heavy military weapons.
If the SU-35 deal is signed, it would be Russia's largest arms deal since the end of the Cold War to supply Pakistan to its Cold War-era rival Pakistan.
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In June 2014, Russia decided to lift its long-standing and self-imposed arms embargo on Pakistan. Sergei Chemizov, head of the Russian state-owned defense technology corporation Rose Tech, announced the decision in Moscow.
Chemzov further confirmed that Russia and Pakistan were bilaterally discussing the sale of Mi-35 Hind Attack helicopters (known as rear-attack and flying tanks).
In late September 2015, the Russian "Sputnik" published a statement by Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabakov stating that the Mi-35 "Hand-E" gunship (armed with artillery) helicopter The supply of an unknown number of SU-35 fighter jets is being discussed, which has recently been agreed upon. However, Russian defense officials later denied the allegations in a statement issued Friday stating "Similar, baseless allegations concerning Russia's intelligence have been made more than once.
Russian media has been publishing comments and analysis on the sale of SU-35 fighter jets to Pakistan as a sensitive issue that a former rival is being sold a system of weapons that is more sophisticated than the Russian planes that Russia is a close ally of the Cold War, still a close ally, used by the Indian Air Force.
Although four Mi-35 fighter helicopters were handed over to Pakistan Army Aviation in August 2017, Pakistan has been receiving Russian weapons ever since. An agreement worth 15 153 million was reached in Islamabad and Moscow during the visit of General Raheel Sharif, Chief of Army Staff, to Russia in June 2016. The initial agreement was signed in August 2015 at the General Headquarters (GHQ) of the Pakistan Army in Rawalpindi.
Did negotiations on 'SU-35' resume during General Bajwa's visit to Moscow ?
On April 24, 2018, General Qamar Javed Bajwa visited Moscow for talks on closer defense and military cooperation between Pakistan and the Russian Federation. On April 14, 2018, two weeks before leaving for Moscow, he addressed a passing out parade at the Pakistan Military Academy Kakul.
Addressing the passing out parade of cadets of Pakistan Military Academy (PMA) Kakul, he said, "We sincerely believe that the fundamental issue between Pakistan and India is the peaceful settlement of all disputes, including Kashmir, through comprehensive and meaningful dialogue." Passes. '
The general's speech came as a bit of a surprise to current political observers in Islamabad. Given the fact that this is a full-fledged policy statement inviting India to peace talks, the statement should have come from the civilian government, but few people knew that General Bajwa was two weeks old. They are going to Moscow inside. Only a few of them were aware of the fact that Pakistan was going to negotiate with the Russian Federation to buy state-of-the-art Russian weapons, including state-of-the-art T-90 tanks and SU-35s.
General Bajwa's predecessor signed an agreement in October 2015 that allowed the two countries to co-operate in arms trade and arms development. During his visit to Moscow, General Bajwa discussed with his Russian counterpart political issues related to the purchase of Russian military equipment.
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Pakistan had difficulty persuading the Russian military-industrial complex to sell military equipment because of India's intense lobbying against Pakistan, especially in Moscow's power houses.
Prior to his visit to Moscow, General Bajwa's speech in Abbottabad was intended to send a message to his Russian counterpart that Pakistan was ready to ease political and military tensions with India, but still maintained religious extremism and militancy on its western border. Military weapons are needed to carry out the difficult task of dealing with the insurgents and bringing stability.
It is no secret that Pakistani diplomats used to face insistence in meetings with Russian government officials that Pakistan's relations with Russia could be further improved only if relations with India were normalized before then.
Pakistan and Russia have been conducting joint military exercises since 2014, the year in which the Russian military, along with Chinese forces, expressed interest in benefiting from the experience of fighting terrorists and militants on Pakistani soil. Both China and the Russian Federation expressed interest in learning from the Pakistani experience as they both face similar militant movements in their territories.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Russia was ready to increase its counter-terrorism force by providing military equipment to Pakistan. "It is in the interest of all the states in the region." He said the two countries also agreed on joint military exercises and drills.
Pointing to India, the official press release quoted Chief of Army Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa as saying to the Russian Foreign Minister that Pakistan had no war intentions against any country and was based on sovereignty, equality and mutual development. We will continue to work for a regional partnership framework.
Russia's diplomatic history shows that it has been trying to mend fences between Pakistan and India.
After the 1965 war, the ceasefire between Pakistani and Indian forces was mediated by Russian diplomats. The agreement was brokered by Soviet Prime Minister Alexei Kosy-Jane, who invited Pakistani President General Ayub Khan and Indian Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri to Tashkent. The two sides agreed to return all forces to their positions on August 5, 1965, to restore diplomatic relations, and to discuss economic, refugee and other issues.
پاگکستان

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This time around, however, the Russian political and military leadership has a strategic interest in ensuring that the Pakistani military has the capacity to focus on terrorism and militancy in the North West and that its resources are in conflict with India. Don't waste
To this end, Moscow is committed to establishing close defense and intelligence cooperation with Pakistan. In this regard, Pakistan convened a meeting of the intelligence chiefs of Russia, China and Iran in July 2018 to discuss the growing threat posed by ISIS in Afghanistan.
The first news of this meeting was given by Russian news agency Tass. Russia's Tass reported that intelligence chiefs considered the birth of ISIS in the Afghan region. "The heads of the intelligence services of Russia, Iran, China and Pakistan met in Islamabad on Tuesday to discuss Islamic State militants in Afghanistan," Sergei Ivanov, head of Russia's foreign intelligence service, told Tass. Measures against the threat of aggression were discussed. "The talks focused on the dangers posed by the growing presence of the Islamic State in the Afghan region," Tas reported.
The conference agreed on the importance of joint efforts to prevent IS terrorists from entering Afghanistan from Egypt and Iraq, which could pose a threat to neighboring countries.

 

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Russia-Pakistan Relations: Was the Russian Foreign Minister's visit to Pakistan part of an effort to pave the way for the sale of SU-35 aircraft?
  • Umar Farooq​
  • Defense analyst​
April 12, 2021
SU-35 fighter jet

, IMAGE SOURCEGETTY IMAGES
, Photo caption
SU-35 fighter jet
Pakistan has been trying to get SU-35 fighter jets from Russia for many years, but long-standing ties between Russia and India have always stood in the way of this important defense deal.
But Russian and Pakistani defense experts attributed not only Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov's recent visit to India and Pakistan, but also an indirect offer by the Pakistani army chief to improve relations with India, to pave the way for the deal. Are giving
For the past three years, whenever the Pakistani military has begun negotiations to buy state-of-the-art weapons from Russia, the Pakistani military leadership has taken a step forward, offering peace to its traditional rival India. Message chat.
This first happened three years ago when Pakistan Army Chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa visited Moscow on April 24, 2018, which was described in Russian and Pakistani media statements as "broader military cooperation" between the two countries.
Contrary to common practice, he, meanwhile, offered peace talks to the neighboring country to normalize relations with India.
Similarly, while General Qamar Javed Bajwa and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov were discussing closer defense and military co-operation between the two countries during their recent visit to Pakistan, the Pakistani army chief went a step further and reassured India. This was stated in a press note issued by the Public Relations Department (ISPR) of the Armed Forces.
According to the statement, General Qamar Bajwa said that Pakistan has no "war intentions" against any country in the region.
Also read
Sergei Lavrov's visit to Pakistan: Will the current warmth in relations be maintained?
How can the weapons of China, Turkey and Russia improve Pakistan's combat capabilities?
Russia's foreign minister with his umbrella and Pakistan's Makhdoom with his servants
This seems to be a requirement of the circumstances under which the Russian military-industrial complex has to get approval from its political masters for the sale of Russian-made Su-35 fighter jets, the purchase of which the Pakistan Air Force has expressed interest in. ۔
Former Pakistan Air Force chief Air Marshal Sohail Aman visited Moscow specifically in July 2016 to negotiate with Russian military officials over the purchase of the required weapons.
In August 2018, Russian pilots were piloting several SU-35s in Pakistan on an experimental basis, indicating an undisclosed number of purchases of this state-of-the-art fighter jet between the Pakistani military and the Russian Federation's military-industrial complex. Negotiations are ongoing.
قریشی

, IMAGE SOURCESMQORYYAPTI
The move also refuted earlier statements by Russian defense officials that no talks were under way for the supply of Su-35 aircraft to Pakistan, which could potentially balance military power in the subcontinent. How can that change?
A report published in the Russian news agency Sputnik quoted Zamir Kabulov, director of the Russian Foreign Ministry's Second Division for Asia, as saying that "despite the announcement of a possible acquisition by Pakistan, Moscow Islam Abad is not discussing the supply of SU-35 fighter jets.
Earlier, Pakistan's ambassador to Russia told Sputnik that in July in Moscow, Pakistan's Chief of Air Staff Sohail Aman had "meaningful talks" over the purchase of a SU-35 from Russia.
Experts say the SU-35 is a twin-engine aircraft that can fly long distances (and has the best performance). With the acquisition of this aircraft, Pakistan will be able to have a solid and significant presence in the Arabian Sea, for which the aged 'Mirage Squadron' is not useful.
Similarly, the locally made JF-17 cannot achieve this desired goal in terms of its range of flight. Speaking on condition of anonymity, a former Pakistan Air Force pilot said: It will be needed.
India has been urging Moscow not to sell sophisticated aircraft such as the SU-35 to the Pakistan Air Force, which could upset the balance of military power in South Asia.
Just weeks after the Pakistan Air Force chief's visit to Moscow and talks with Russian military officials about the sale of the SU-35, an Indian delegation led by a senior security official arrived in Moscow with Russian officials to lobby.
During the visit, there was a flurry of news in the Russian media denying Pakistani claims that talks had taken place in Moscow for the sale of the SU-35.
The Russian Federation is still pursuing attractive and heavy defense deals with its Cold War ally India, and political and military ties are still very strong. However, the Russian military-industrial complex is looking to Pakistan as a major customer for the sale of its heavy military weapons.
If the SU-35 deal is signed, it would be Russia's largest arms deal since the end of the Cold War to supply Pakistan to its Cold War-era rival Pakistan.
,

In June 2014, Russia decided to lift its long-standing and self-imposed arms embargo on Pakistan. Sergei Chemizov, head of the Russian state-owned defense technology corporation Rose Tech, announced the decision in Moscow.
Chemzov further confirmed that Russia and Pakistan were bilaterally discussing the sale of Mi-35 Hind Attack helicopters (known as rear-attack and flying tanks).
In late September 2015, the Russian "Sputnik" published a statement by Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabakov stating that the Mi-35 "Hand-E" gunship (armed with artillery) helicopter The supply of an unknown number of SU-35 fighter jets is being discussed, which has recently been agreed upon. However, Russian defense officials later denied the allegations in a statement issued Friday stating "Similar, baseless allegations concerning Russia's intelligence have been made more than once.
Russian media has been publishing comments and analysis on the sale of SU-35 fighter jets to Pakistan as a sensitive issue that a former rival is being sold a system of weapons that is more sophisticated than the Russian planes that Russia is a close ally of the Cold War, still a close ally, used by the Indian Air Force.
Although four Mi-35 fighter helicopters were handed over to Pakistan Army Aviation in August 2017, Pakistan has been receiving Russian weapons ever since. An agreement worth 15 153 million was reached in Islamabad and Moscow during the visit of General Raheel Sharif, Chief of Army Staff, to Russia in June 2016. The initial agreement was signed in August 2015 at the General Headquarters (GHQ) of the Pakistan Army in Rawalpindi.
Did negotiations on 'SU-35' resume during General Bajwa's visit to Moscow ?
On April 24, 2018, General Qamar Javed Bajwa visited Moscow for talks on closer defense and military cooperation between Pakistan and the Russian Federation. On April 14, 2018, two weeks before leaving for Moscow, he addressed a passing out parade at the Pakistan Military Academy Kakul.
Addressing the passing out parade of cadets of Pakistan Military Academy (PMA) Kakul, he said, "We sincerely believe that the fundamental issue between Pakistan and India is the peaceful settlement of all disputes, including Kashmir, through comprehensive and meaningful dialogue." Passes. '
The general's speech came as a bit of a surprise to current political observers in Islamabad. Given the fact that this is a full-fledged policy statement inviting India to peace talks, the statement should have come from the civilian government, but few people knew that General Bajwa was two weeks old. They are going to Moscow inside. Only a few of them were aware of the fact that Pakistan was going to negotiate with the Russian Federation to buy state-of-the-art Russian weapons, including state-of-the-art T-90 tanks and SU-35s.
General Bajwa's predecessor signed an agreement in October 2015 that allowed the two countries to co-operate in arms trade and arms development. During his visit to Moscow, General Bajwa discussed with his Russian counterpart political issues related to the purchase of Russian military equipment.
پاکستان

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Pakistan had difficulty persuading the Russian military-industrial complex to sell military equipment because of India's intense lobbying against Pakistan, especially in Moscow's power houses.
Prior to his visit to Moscow, General Bajwa's speech in Abbottabad was intended to send a message to his Russian counterpart that Pakistan was ready to ease political and military tensions with India, but still maintained religious extremism and militancy on its western border. Military weapons are needed to carry out the difficult task of dealing with the insurgents and bringing stability.
It is no secret that Pakistani diplomats used to face insistence in meetings with Russian government officials that Pakistan's relations with Russia could be further improved only if relations with India were normalized before then.
Pakistan and Russia have been conducting joint military exercises since 2014, the year in which the Russian military, along with Chinese forces, expressed interest in benefiting from the experience of fighting terrorists and militants on Pakistani soil. Both China and the Russian Federation expressed interest in learning from the Pakistani experience as they both face similar militant movements in their territories.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Russia was ready to increase its counter-terrorism force by providing military equipment to Pakistan. "It is in the interest of all the states in the region." He said the two countries also agreed on joint military exercises and drills.
Pointing to India, the official press release quoted Chief of Army Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa as saying to the Russian Foreign Minister that Pakistan had no war intentions against any country and was based on sovereignty, equality and mutual development. We will continue to work for a regional partnership framework.
Russia's diplomatic history shows that it has been trying to mend fences between Pakistan and India.
After the 1965 war, the ceasefire between Pakistani and Indian forces was mediated by Russian diplomats. The agreement was brokered by Soviet Prime Minister Alexei Kosy-Jane, who invited Pakistani President General Ayub Khan and Indian Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri to Tashkent. The two sides agreed to return all forces to their positions on August 5, 1965, to restore diplomatic relations, and to discuss economic, refugee and other issues.
پاگکستان

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This time around, however, the Russian political and military leadership has a strategic interest in ensuring that the Pakistani military has the capacity to focus on terrorism and militancy in the North West and that its resources are in conflict with India. Don't waste
To this end, Moscow is committed to establishing close defense and intelligence cooperation with Pakistan. In this regard, Pakistan convened a meeting of the intelligence chiefs of Russia, China and Iran in July 2018 to discuss the growing threat posed by ISIS in Afghanistan.
The first news of this meeting was given by Russian news agency Tass. Russia's Tass reported that intelligence chiefs considered the birth of ISIS in the Afghan region. "The heads of the intelligence services of Russia, Iran, China and Pakistan met in Islamabad on Tuesday to discuss Islamic State militants in Afghanistan," Sergei Ivanov, head of Russia's foreign intelligence service, told Tass. Measures against the threat of aggression were discussed. "The talks focused on the dangers posed by the growing presence of the Islamic State in the Afghan region," Tas reported.
The conference agreed on the importance of joint efforts to prevent IS terrorists from entering Afghanistan from Egypt and Iraq, which could pose a threat to neighboring countries.


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Sir , now Chinese jet are better then russian considering avionics and BRV weaponry and quality of stuff as well

Only chines lack is engines, which in few years they might cover easily
Make sense, just add heavyweight categories advantage or can say kick back to russian so they allow Chinese flanker export for future

Nothing new or imp to bring instead another plateform to maintain


For PAF combination of J10C along with J31/j35 along with workhouse thunder block 3 will server best and till project AZM materialized
Indeed it will be a great combination but where are J-10C as we seen a scale modle of it in PAF color...
 

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