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We on the forum care about the F-16's limits because we are generally more hawkish than our generals and politicians.

However, I don't think any of the service headquarters share that sentiment. I think their orientation is to avoid a conflict through a credible conventional deterrence. So, we need to understand how they define that deterrence, and it's dollar-price.
Biden just put some defense deals with SA and UAE on hold for review, will be surprised if any deal for new F16s is done with Pakistan by the current US admin. Chances seems to have decreased but you never know.
 

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They stopped the drilling too - that hurts me directly!!! (Ok from a climate standpoint)

I think we will see additional cutbacks to Trump promises which is why the ME signed up to Israeli recognition in the first place.
The do-more policy taking place.
paisa bolta hai ,both countries could switch EU and in case of UAE Rafale now could become a real possibility, IF this decision remain implemented for more than 6 months
Bhai along the review/cutting short the US weapon sale, the level of support given the threats also goes down and I don't see that These Two can afford as such. Eventually, either will be more demands by D.C or conflict of interest will arise. In all the scheme, I am wondering if Habibis will just start to live without US reliance while Iran threat will keep growing. Heard that Israeli Forces are directed for some kind of high level preparedness as well.
 
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Biden just put some defense deals with SA and UAE on hold for review, will be surprised if any deal for new F16s is done with Pakistan by the current US admin. Chances seems to have decreased but you never know.
Actually, Biden reverses or at least cutting short what has been done by Trump. In Pakistan case, CSF/FMS denied beside Military training cooperation and while we read that Defence Sec shares the importance of Pakistan US relations. Not to celebrate before time but reversing Trump policies will then come with paying off well for Pakistan as well. We didn't receive much but as you said, you never know.
 

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Biden just put some defense deals with SA and UAE on hold for review, will be surprised if any deal for new F16s is done with Pakistan by the current US admin. Chances seems to have decreased but you never know.
IMO apples and oranges. The Saudi/UAE deals involve way more sensitive tech than any F-16 sale to Pakistan. And in the case of Pakistan, it's more of an issue of maintaining a voice in our decision-making circles (read: keeping us under check), so US arms and US aid are essential pieces to that.

I said this a while back, but for Biden, the goal will be to pull Pakistan away from Kashmir and, instead, to focus on Afghanistan. This is the only way for the US to keep India focused on China.

It wouldn't surprise me if our decision-makers say 'yes' to the arrangement as it (1) helps them avoid a war with India, (2) improves Pakistan's conventional deterrence capabilities, and (3) helps us secure our West from Indian influence (which is a big reason for our insecurity, perhaps as much as Kashmir if not more so).

I'm not siding with any particular angle or side here, I'm just laying out how I think our decision makers see things re: India, Kashmir, Afghanistan, etc.
 

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PAF Buying J-10C? J-10C Model With Interesting Serial Number Spotted at PAF Base Masroor


PAF Buying J-10C? J-10C Model With Interesting Serial Number Spotted at PAF Base Masroor

J-10C plaque for PAF squadron Bandits
An interesting photo of the Chinese Chengdu J-10 Single-engine, lightweight fighter aircraft model spotted at PAF AB Masroor is circulating on social media.

The interesting thing about the J-10C model is the serial number of “21-601” and PAF squadron Bandits marking on it.

No. 7 Squadron, nicknamed the Bandits, is a fighter squadron of the Pakistan Air Force situated at PAF Base Masroor, Karachi which operates Dassault Mirage III fighters jets. Looks like PAF has finally decided to buy J-10C which
which would replace old Mirage jets.

While the option for acquiring the J-10 jets had been on Pakistan’s table for quite some time it was halted with the joint production of the JF-17 fighter jets. Pakistan started discussing the purchase of the Chinese J-10 in 2009, but after the talk of joint production of the JF-17 jet started, it was put on hold. After the Rafale jet came to the Indian Air Force, Pakistan started that discussion again.

In September , 2020 Indian media sources claimed that the high-level government officers have informed that the discussions have resumed again among the Pakistani and Chinese officials for the procurement of J-10C jets for the PAF. Along with the J-10, Pakistan has also requested the PL-10 and PL-15 short-range and long-range air to air missiles.

According to sources, a 13-member team of Pakistani officials went to China on October 22 to finalize the deal. China and Pakistan finalized the discussion of buying 50 J-10 (CE) fighter jets.

The J-10CE (the export version of the J-10C), is expected to neutralize some of the Indian threats and pose an additional challenge for the Indian Air Force. Like the F-16, the J-10 possesses a highly agile, aerodynamically unstable airframe that is stabilized by a computer in its fly-by-wire flight control system. The J-10C model is believed to have capabilities similar to a 4.5-generation fighter jet something similar to Indian Rafales.

The most significant enhancement is the inclusion of an AESA radar. AESA radars are the current gold standard in air warfare, boasting higher resolution, and greater discretion, and resistance to jamming. rs on its latest fighters.
Powered by a Russian engine giving it a maximum static thrust of approximately 123 kN, the single-engine tail-less canard delta wing J-10C is an upgraded version of its predecessors, sporting an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) fire control radar and is made of composite materials for high strength and lower weight.

J-10C also participated in the recently concluded Pak-China Joint Air Exercise “Shaheen-IX” At PAF Base Bholari. Surprisingly, the J-10C was not sporting any markings of PLAAF, nor an identification number. However, the J-11BS arrived in normal livery.

PAF Buying J-10C? J-10C Model With Interesting Serial Number Spotted at PAF Base Masroor

China’s J-10C and J-11B fighters simulated India’s Rafale and Su-30 jets respectively in mock battles at the recently concluded Shaheen-9 China-Pakistan air exercises.

Many aspects of the J-10C mid-sized fighter jet, including the size, aerodynamic characteristics, aviation and weapon systems and overall combat capability, are comparable to the France-made Rafale, a type of fighter jet in service with the Indian Air Force, Fu said, noting that the J-11B heavy fighter jet has very similar appearance with India’s Su-30 fighter jet but with superior avionics system.

During Shaheen-9, air forces from both sides focused on “large scale confrontation, including large scale aerial battles and use of forces in mass and close-quarters aerial support,” CCTV said. More than 200 sorties were conducted by both sides, to boost combat capabilities in learning from each other.


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OEM will absolutely give aircraft models to person that would buy the airplanes or having similar industry.

This is Habibie desk when he is still in charge in Indonesia Aerospace (PT Dirgantara Indonesia/IPTN)

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OEM will absolutely give aircraft models to person that would buy the airplanes or having similar industry.

This is Habibie desk when he is still in charge in Indonesia Aerospace (PT Dirgantara Indonesia/IPTN)

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Only difference is J10c model mocks Bandits Sqdn which is mirage at the moment also based Masroor karachi and 21-601 also show 21 is yr number 601 is first jet So we are getting close
 

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we have jf17 already why dont we go for twin engin j11 or something. we need to think about air superiority rather than just following indian threat.
 
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It is excellent single engine strike fighter and bomber with AESA and AL31 thrust vectoring ... a lethal combo addon in PAF.
Production versions have Not TVC it has and the one you talking about is only last zuhai air show and its only for demo and last it is not a strike fighter but multi-role jet comparable to f16v
 

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