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I think, India would be offered F 35 by the USA on the first opportunity.
Pakistan needs to up the game too and acquire a suitable competitor.
What that would be!! J 20 or J 10 C!!!
That is the question.
 

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The debate over inducting latest fighter jets to control skies intensified in Pakistan and India right after the latter received Rafale fighter jets from France.

However, the vigorous debate has now shifted to the Chinese-made J-20 stealth fighter jet because defence analysts say that it will be the real game changer in the region.

Military experts have long been comparing JF-17 Thunder with Rafale aircraft but Air Vice Marshal (retd) Shahzad Chaudhry, while sharing his views in Express News talk show, The Review, said on Saturday that Rafale could be compared with F-16 but it had no one-to-one comparison with even JF-17.

“J-20 is really a big game changer for our region,” Chaudhry said, adding that China’s high-end fighter jet would introduce new technology and induct new capabilities in the region for the first time.

The defence expert said that the only other fighter jet that can be compared with J-20 is the US-made F-35 and whoever in Pakistan and India gets any of these jets first will have an edge over the other.

He said that Rafale didn’t bring any new technology to the region but the similar tech already existed in F-16 and SU-30.

Answering to another question from hosts – Kamran Yousaf and Shahbaz Rana – Chaudhry said that Pakistan would always need planes like F-16 as in its absence even JF-17 will not have the same significance that it has now when used along with F-16.

He was of the view that planes like F-16 and JF-17 have the capabilities that provide formidable defence to Pakistan’s air space.

Commenting on the recent induction of JF-17 Thunder Block-II dual-seater fighter aircraft into the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) fleet and also the launch of the production of Block III of the same aircraft, Chaudhry said it was a significant advancement in the country’s air defence arsenal.

The Block II, He added, with better radar system, weapons and avionic system – which combines all these things – will bring efficiency and JF-17 will perform far better than it is performing now.

Chaudhry said that JF-17’s role was completely different than Rafale’s and the latter’s comparison will be made with F-16 as it had a similar role that of Rafale. “For the airspace that we have to defend, F-16s, JF-17s and other platforms emerge in an integrated shape as a formidable force and it was demonstrated in February 2019,” he said.

“The Indian Air Force is the same; the Pakistani Air Force is the same but Pakistan Air Force better demonstrated its combined, synergetic and integrated capability,” Chaudhry said.

In 2019, India had launched a ‘surgical strike’ in Balakot when its warplanes crossed the border and dropped bombs. In response, PAF shot down a MiG-21 in aerial combat and captured its pilot Abhinandan Varthaman, who was later handed over to India.

After the feat, the Indian prime minister and former IAF chief had expressed that the outcome would have been different if India had the Rafale planes.

Now, after India added Rafale jets to its fleet, Pakistan has formally inducted 14 dual-seat combat fighter aircraft JF-17 Thunder Block II, which is jointly developed by Islamabad and Beijing. The race between the arch-rivals is now for J-20 and F-35 – the most advanced all-weather stealth multirole combat aircraft that is intended to perform both air superiority and strike missions.

In response to a question about car manufacturing, Chaudhry opined that the governments should stay away from commercial sector and keep its focus on manufacturing planes as no one else would do that for

J-20 fighter jet: game changer to control sky | The Express Tribune
This reminds me a joke on cricket. One guy said that India has game changer ballers. Other guys said :"who are those ballers. I don't know any". The first guys said:"Whenever India is about to win, they come to ball and change the game".
 

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After JF-17 Fighter, Chinese J-11B Jet could be next on Pakistan’s Shopping List
J-11BG fighter jet with AESA radar. Image via Chinese media

Pakistan’s new fighter jet buy could narrow down to China’s J-11B aircraft as the induction of Rafale jets by India has tilted the air power balance in favor of New Delhi.

The participation of the J-11B fighter jets in the recently concluded China-Pak Shaheen-9 air exercise besides their recent upgrade with an Active Electronically Scanning Array (AESA) radar among others equipment strengthens their case for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) as an affordable, yet contemporary jet.

At the Shaheen-9 air exercise, PAF Chief of Air Staff Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan flew an “air superiority sortie in a hi-tech Chinese fighter aircraft,” a statement issued by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) said on December 23. The aircraft the Air Chief flew in was not identified, but what we know from images and videos released during the exercise is that the Chinese brought in J-11s and J-10s for the exercise. While both are touted as multi-role aircraft, the twin-engine J-11B is deployed for air-superiority capabilities while the single-engine J-10’s primary role is ground attack.

The modernized J-11B would hold an advantage over the JF-17, currently the leading aircraft in PAF inventory, due to its increased engine power, newly minted AESA radar and a larger option of missiles and bombs.

Delay in JF-17 block III induction

PAF is heavily dependent upon the JF-17 fighter jet whose Block-III version’s production in Pakistan was announced last week. The Block III version will feature an AESA radar, an advanced targeting pod, electronic warfare besides equipping the aircraft with beyond-visual-range missiles. However, it will not be before 2023-24 that the Block III will begin to enter PAF service. By this time India would have inducted nearly all of its ordered 36 Rafale jets.

The PAF has time and against voiced its desire to maintain air parity with India and going to China for either the J-11 or J-10 could be the only way of securing that parity.

After JF-17 Fighter, Chinese J-11B Jet could be next on Pakistan’s Shopping List
Chinese J-11B Refueling during Shaheen-9 exercise. PAF video grab
Interoperability

The Pak Air Chief was all praise for Chinese military aviation technology stating that it is at par with contemporary requirements to meet challenges of modern warfare. "It was heartening to see the two air forces inter-operating across a wide spectrum of airpower employment options,” he was quoted as saying in the PAF statement.

Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan’s stress on Pak –China air force inter-operability could mean common assets (aircraft, drones, air defense systems, communications systems) that one another’s air forces can fuse together as one. This is similar to the NATO operations book where allied nations are expected to have inter-operable assets.

Earlier, Pakistan bought defence equipment from China due to their comparatively low price tag- but now with inter-operability being the buzzword, the PAF could acquire more of Chinese equipment to make itself fuse with that of the Chinese air force.

Upgraded J-11B

An improved variant of China's J-11B (designated J-11BG) aircraft has reportedly entered batch production, the Shenyang Aircraft Co. Ltd. under the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) announced on its Sina Weibo account last week. It is not known what improvements the new J-11BG variant has received, but is widely believed to be equipped with an AESA radar to replace the previous pulse-Doppler radar.

Entering batch production is an indication of either increased domestic intake or an export order. Since China already has significant number of J-11Bs in its inventory which could be modernized to the BG standard, a new production run for a modernized version hints at an export order.

Around the time of the Shaheen -9 exercise, images began appearing in Chinese media of AESA radar equipped J-11B (G) having their nose cones painted in white (as opposed to black cones in earlier generation J-11Bs. Could these new aircraft be destined for Pakistan?

Targeting Pod

While the Rafale’s Talios targeting pod is considered the current industry standard in the world, not much is known about the targeting pods on the J-11B. China is offering locally made targeting pods for export- the WMD-7 and OC2. Both have similar capabilities - infrared targeting range of 20 kilometers and laser designator with a range of 15 kilometers.

China also began introducing locally made laser guided bomb - the LT-series. These were similar to the American Paveway and the Russian KAB-500L.

Turkish firm Aselsan has signed a contract with Pakistan to integrate its ASELPOD Electro Optical Targeting System onto JF-17 fighter jets. A contract amounting to $24.9 million for 16 ASELPOD systems had been signed in 2017.

Earlier, Pakistan tried unsuccessfully to obtain the Damocles targeting pod made by Thales before settling for the ASELPOD.

Dassault Rafale V/s J-11B

China has operated the J-11B based on Soviet Su-27 Flankers since mid-1990s. According to reports, the J-11B’s radar signature and immunity from jamming is considerably inferior to those of the most modern Rafale variants which are equipped with newer AESA radars. The time needed for the Rafale to scan its surroundings is also shorter relative to the J-11B.

After JF-17 Fighter, Chinese J-11B Jet could be next on Pakistan’s Shopping List
Pakistan air chief Marshal Mujahid Khan. Undated image via PAF

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After JF-17 Fighter, Chinese J-11B Jet could be next on Pakistan’s Shopping List
J-11BG fighter jet with AESA radar. Image via Chinese media

Pakistan’s new fighter jet buy could narrow down to China’s J-11B aircraft as the induction of Rafale jets by India has tilted the air power balance in favor of New Delhi.

The participation of the J-11B fighter jets in the recently concluded China-Pak Shaheen-9 air exercise besides their recent upgrade with an Active Electronically Scanning Array (AESA) radar among others equipment strengthens their case for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) as an affordable, yet contemporary jet.

At the Shaheen-9 air exercise, PAF Chief of Air Staff Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan flew an “air superiority sortie in a hi-tech Chinese fighter aircraft,” a statement issued by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) said on December 23. The aircraft the Air Chief flew in was not identified, but what we know from images and videos released during the exercise is that the Chinese brought in J-11s and J-10s for the exercise. While both are touted as multi-role aircraft, the twin-engine J-11B is deployed for air-superiority capabilities while the single-engine J-10’s primary role is ground attack.

The modernized J-11B would hold an advantage over the JF-17, currently the leading aircraft in PAF inventory, due to its increased engine power, newly minted AESA radar and a larger option of missiles and bombs.

Delay in JF-17 block III induction

PAF is heavily dependent upon the JF-17 fighter jet whose Block-III version’s production in Pakistan was announced last week. The Block III version will feature an AESA radar, an advanced targeting pod, electronic warfare besides equipping the aircraft with beyond-visual-range missiles. However, it will not be before 2023-24 that the Block III will begin to enter PAF service. By this time India would have inducted nearly all of its ordered 36 Rafale jets.

The PAF has time and against voiced its desire to maintain air parity with India and going to China for either the J-11 or J-10 could be the only way of securing that parity.

After JF-17 Fighter, Chinese J-11B Jet could be next on Pakistan’s Shopping List
Chinese J-11B Refueling during Shaheen-9 exercise. PAF video grab
Interoperability

The Pak Air Chief was all praise for Chinese military aviation technology stating that it is at par with contemporary requirements to meet challenges of modern warfare. "It was heartening to see the two air forces inter-operating across a wide spectrum of airpower employment options,” he was quoted as saying in the PAF statement.

Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan’s stress on Pak –China air force inter-operability could mean common assets (aircraft, drones, air defense systems, communications systems) that one another’s air forces can fuse together as one. This is similar to the NATO operations book where allied nations are expected to have inter-operable assets.

Earlier, Pakistan bought defence equipment from China due to their comparatively low price tag- but now with inter-operability being the buzzword, the PAF could acquire more of Chinese equipment to make itself fuse with that of the Chinese air force.

After JF-17 Fighter, Chinese J-11B Jet could be next on Pakistan’s Shopping List
JF-17s taxiing for take off. PAF video grab
Upgraded J-11B

An improved variant of China's J-11B (designated J-11BG) aircraft has reportedly entered batch production, the Shenyang Aircraft Co. Ltd. under the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) announced on its Sina Weibo account last week. It is not known what improvements the new J-11BG variant has received, but is widely believed to be equipped with an AESA radar to replace the previous pulse-Doppler radar.

Entering batch production is an indication of either increased domestic intake or an export order. Since China already has significant number of J-11Bs in its inventory which could be modernized to the BG standard, a new production run for a modernized version hints at an export order.

Around the time of the Shaheen -9 exercise, images began appearing in Chinese media of AESA radar equipped J-11B (G) having their nose cones painted in white (as opposed to black cones in earlier generation J-11Bs. Could these new aircraft be destined for Pakistan?

Targeting Pod

While the Rafale’s Talios targeting pod is considered the current industry standard in the world, not much is known about the targeting pods on the J-11B. China is offering locally made targeting pods for export- the WMD-7 and OC2. Both have similar capabilities - infrared targeting range of 20 kilometers and laser designator with a range of 15 kilometers.

China also began introducing locally made laser guided bomb - the LT-series. These were similar to the American Paveway and the Russian KAB-500L.

Turkish firm Aselsan has signed a contract with Pakistan to integrate its ASELPOD Electro Optical Targeting System onto JF-17 fighter jets. A contract amounting to $24.9 million for 16 ASELPOD systems had been signed in 2017.

Earlier, Pakistan tried unsuccessfully to obtain the Damocles targeting pod made by Thales before settling for the ASELPOD.

Dassault Rafale V/s J-11B

China has operated the J-11B based on Soviet Su-27 Flankers since mid-1990s. According to reports, the J-11B’s radar signature and immunity from jamming is considerably inferior to those of the most modern Rafale variants which are equipped with newer AESA radars. The time needed for the Rafale to scan its surroundings is also shorter relative to the J-11B.

After JF-17 Fighter, Chinese J-11B Jet could be next on Pakistan’s Shopping List
Pakistan air chief Marshal Mujahid Khan. Undated image via PAF
Rafale Vs. J-11B


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If only the author had done a little homework,he would have known
A) J11s are not for sale owing to be a derivative of SU27.
B) Pakistan isnt interested in twin engine aircrafts. We might be in the future but certainly not now and not in the form of J11.
 

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They should pivot to developing a Westernized sub-variant of the JF-17 -- i.e., Leonardo Grifo-E or Vixen 1000E and MBDA Meteor. Definitely not ideal, but at least it keeps the JF-17 moving (in a parallel direction) while also adding a necessary capability for the PAF to see, acclimate to (for defending against), and deploy offensively.

If they really want to buy something, make it the Gripen E/F. If only to ruin that as an option for India for its single-engine requirement, and maybe to secure Saab's design help for Project Azm (since Saab was offering help to other FGFA/NGF projects). If there's corruption, let's make it semi-useful at least.
I didn't even read your comment before I liked it, you sir are a true expert voice in your field.
 

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