What's new

New fighter for PAF Doctrine?

Oct 29, 2020
1,524
0
773
Country
Pakistan
Location
United States
All multi-role jet fighters are fighter-bombers. Take the example of JF-17s, It can be used as an interceptor, bomber, sometimes it can be used as EW/ECM Growler type aircraft.
so tell me what is the difference between fighter bombers and Multirole fighters then????
you cannot explain anything to me and i did reply you if you could take it
i have logic if you give me the answer for my question
 

Marker

FULL MEMBER
Dec 31, 2019
855
5
1,108
Country
Pakistan
Location
Pakistan
so tell me what is the difference between fighter bombers and Multirole fighters then????

i have logic if you give me the answer for my question
During WW2 era, air fighting machines were mainly classified into fighters, bomber and fighter-bombers.

Fighters were equipped with either machine guns or cannons and their usage was air interception. Fighters being lightly equipped, much cleaner aircraft were faster and agile, therefore, their performance as interceptors was outstanding.

Fighter-bombers were modified fighters which not only equipped with either machine guns or cannons but also loaded with few bombs under inboard or outboard wing pylons and under fuselage belly. Fighter-bombers were used mainly for ground and sea attack. These aircraft were comparatively slower and less agile due to attached payload.

Bombers were much larger aircraft and can carry heavy payload of bombs and also equipped with machine guns or cannons. These aircraft were slower and less agile than any of the above air platforms. Usually fighters were assigned to escort these bombers for deep strike missions.

In a modern Air Force, air fighting machines were mainly classified into multi-role fighters and bombers.

Multi-role fighters can be assigned as escort interceptors or to carry out ground or sea attack missions. Some can be modified for EW/ECM purpose along with their primary task as fighter aircraft.

Now coming back to your question. In modern Air Force, Multi-Role combat aircraft can act as fighter-bomber ie it can carry air to air and air to ground weapons (missiles, rockets, SOWs, ALCMs or simple bombs.
Almost all multi-role fighters carry guns or cannons as well.
 
Oct 29, 2020
1,524
0
773
Country
Pakistan
Location
United States
During WW2 era, air fighting machines were mainly classified into fighters, bomber and fighter-bombers.

Fighters were equipped with either machine guns or cannons and their usage was air interception. Fighters being lightly equipped, much cleaner aircraft were faster and agile, therefore, their performance as interceptors was outstanding.

Fighter-bombers were modified fighters which not only equipped with either machine guns or cannons but also loaded with few bombs under inboard or outboard wing pylons and under fuselage belly. Fighter-bombers were used mainly for ground and sea attack. These aircraft were comparatively slower and less agile due to attached payload.

Bombers were much larger aircraft and can carry heavy payload of bombs and also equipped with machine guns or cannons. These aircraft were slower and less agile than any of the above air platforms. Usually fighters were assigned to escort these bombers for deep strike missions.

In a modern Air Force, air fighting machines were mainly classified into multi-role fighters and bombers.

Multi-role fighters can be assigned as escort interceptors or to carry out ground or sea attack missions. Some can be modified for EW/ECM purpose along with their primary task as fighter aircraft.

Now coming back to your question. In modern Air Force, Multi-Role combat aircraft can act as fighter-bomber ie it can carry air to air and air to ground weapons (missiles, rockets, SOWs, ALCMs or simple bombs.
Almost all multi-role fighters carry guns or cannons as well.
So isn't better we will buy another multi-role jet rather than a ONE MISSION SPECIFIC JH-7 which have limited maneuverability/agility and underpowered and need a escort, and you don't refer cold war era fighter bombers like F-111/F-105/Su-24/Su-17/22 tornado version/Buccaneer etc. etc. with limited defense capabilities
 

Readerdefence

FULL MEMBER
Jan 30, 2017
841
0
336
Country
Pakistan
Location
United Kingdom
Hi just the sake of argument learned members are not ready to accept even in one hand full of cash no F16 specific to V/72 why can’t we understand and look around countries around us or little far to us are shopping for F16 with bag full of dollars beside that have good and better relations with their sponsors to back them up for these purchases
now if someone with more knowledge can shed some light why on the earth Egypt not getting top notch F16 not even their fleet been upgraded towards V or 72 standards but alas they are shopping around latest Russian arsenal from fighter jets to helicopters and so on now if we go by Russian standards they want hard cash always for their equipments so one way or the other these all shopping can’t be all on credit it means USA even getting money from their financer is not ready to supply egypt their top notch on the other hand Russian are willing to so why can’t Pakistan use the same road map to get Russian gadgets through one way or the other
let’s put Russian interest in Pakistani economy and try to convince them to takeover steelmill and get it running beside that bring them to CPEC even if they are not investing anything offcourse through the route of China /don’t bypass China then Pakistan can get anything from Russia as long as their payments are secured
thank you
 

ziaulislam

ELITE MEMBER
Apr 22, 2010
14,259
10
13,315
Country
Pakistan
Location
United States
Hi just the sake of argument learned members are not ready to accept even in one hand full of cash no F16 specific to V/72 why can’t we understand and look around countries around us or little far to us are shopping for F16 with bag full of dollars beside that have good and better relations with their sponsors to back them up for these purchases
now if someone with more knowledge can shed some light why on the earth Egypt not getting top notch F16 not even their fleet been upgraded towards V or 72 standards but alas they are shopping around latest Russian arsenal from fighter jets to helicopters and so on now if we go by Russian standards they want hard cash always for their equipments so one way or the other these all shopping can’t be all on credit it means USA even getting money from their financer is not ready to supply egypt their top notch on the other hand Russian are willing to so why can’t Pakistan use the same road map to get Russian gadgets through one way or the other
let’s put Russian interest in Pakistani economy and try to convince them to takeover steelmill and get it running beside that bring them to CPEC even if they are not investing anything offcourse through the route of China /don’t bypass China then Pakistan can get anything from Russia as long as their payments are secured
thank you
Eygpt is getting them for free
We walked away from paid f16,
If subsidized or free PAF will take it
 

baqai

FULL MEMBER
Sep 28, 2006
1,781
1
2,300
Country
Pakistan
Location
Pakistan
so tell me what is the difference between fighter bombers and Multirole fighters then????
IMHO Now days concept of pure strike aircraft is slowly fading away and that role is being taken up by MR, main difference although not significant would be that FB would only be used for strike missions where as MR could be used for other mission categories such as interception, SEAD, Escort etc
 
Oct 29, 2020
1,524
0
773
Country
Pakistan
Location
United States
IMHO Now days concept of pure strike aircraft is slowly fading away and that role is being taken up by MR, main difference although not significant would be that FB would only be used for strike missions where as MR could be used for other mission categories such as interception, SEAD, Escort etc
But JH-7 is not MR jet but more intended toward strike especially NAVAL STRIKE with limited maneuverability/agility and have underpower, its more like slightly advance than old 70s era Su-24, why not we will buy J-16 from China if possible
 

Salza

SENIOR MEMBER
Dec 20, 2014
6,799
-1
10,205
Country
Pakistan
Location
Pakistan
Eygpt is getting them for free
We walked away from paid f16,
If subsidized or free PAF will take it
They got them under CSF hence so much restrictions and same goes with Pakistan F16s especially block 52s which we received as part of CSF. Had we paid them full from our money, then no restrictions, or most of them, would had not applied. We can than even install any other weapon/missile/pod from any other vendor than American. Also additional money is always demanded by US and western countries to keep up with the 'guarantee' support to any country. Yes Pakistan has been always keen to acquire F16s on subsidized rates hence that is why we always get so much conditions attached with it.
 

Trailer23

SENIOR MEMBER
Jun 2, 2012
3,204
100
9,706
Country
Pakistan
Location
United Arab Emirates
PLAAF doesn't like J-10 with CFT.
Well, I can't speak for what PLAAF likes or dislikes. Those images (above) were just to lighten the Topic a bit.

I will say/ask - if PAF were interested in the J-10C's with CFT - would that be so difficult to achieve?
 

Readerdefence

FULL MEMBER
Jan 30, 2017
841
0
336
Country
Pakistan
Location
United Kingdom
Eygpt is getting them for free
We walked away from paid f16,
If subsidized or free PAF will take it
Hi thanks for your input sir what Egypt is getting free Pakistan can also here I’m out advocating to tow a specific line to get these free or been sponsored by someone my only plea is if we can’t get these for own resources then try to be with someone who can sponsor you for these kind of items in future at the moment China is the only country to some extent but Pakistan his to tilt fully towards the Chinese and Russian side to get these for free
I don’t get about paid F16 hike walking away when that happened
if possible to shed some light on this matter
thank you
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Total: 6, Members: 0, Guests: 6)


Top Bottom