No need to have TVC for J-10C, because you can't beat SRAAM/BVR relying agility/maneuverability, because SRAAM/BVR have the agility and maneuverability of 90-50Gs respectively whereas your best fighter jets equipped latest TVC tech can sustain barely 11G at best, because of human limitations, and TVC is more maintenance prone than fixed nozzles, look at the IAF MKI , they have lots of problems to maintaining MKI's engines (AL-31FP TVC engines)
No mkis of India has TVC , they are dying to get upgrades "SUPER FLANKER" from Russia, TVC is new gadget from 5th gen tech and that's why all front line 5th gen fighters from RAPPTOR to SU35, MIG 35, SU57s, F35s, J20s, some of New gen Chinese J15, all have that capability!
What you think all of these countries are crazy to include this capability in thier fighter jets?
No, PAF is on its path to 5th gen which is still 15 years short but still getting a airframe capable of TVC is much needed, PAF has kick out that decade old nothing better then F16s, thinking out of its tanks.
While adopting, new path, new plans, new tech, is the only way to survive in growing enemy strength!
And new fighter doctrine is bassed on it and that's why AM was pointing on it!!
Don't know if the Russians will allow it.
They are dying to allow, and want to see PAF using thier high tech and let IAF realise thier stupidnes and bias towards russian equipment!
But for that, we need a very flexible, dedicated, negotiating team which we are lacking since, past trump days, we were trying to become good boys and we kept getting kick with a sentence DO MORE since past decades, while lossing kashmir?
MIG 35 suits us, as it's new engines and other tech can benefit our future JF BLK 4 with a relaible TVC engines from MIG35s!
I can bet my life, in PAF ace hands all of these RUSSIAN new tech beasts, will become unmatchable for IAF or even some other gulf states who are dying for F35s, with 70 odd years of super experiences with western fighter jets and thier plans makes PAF with Russian high tech gadgets can become unstopable for a long long time?
PAF needs a stop gap solution which also brings it future solutions and I think, for that Russia is far more reliable partner
Most of this and other such threads are filled with fanboy fantasies. Can u guys please be realistic and discuss within the confines of reality and not fiction. Some guys here suggesting gripen with meteor as if its available in ur nearest shop. Americans are not allowing engines for helicopters and u ppl think we ll get gripens? And meteor? That's laughable. Do u guys think france and Europe will give us top of the line weapons even if we somehow manage the money?? Do u guys live in a dream world or what? Some demanding F16 block 70s as if they are just born and dont know the past. ThankGod the guys at PAF always remain in real world and plan accordingly.
We have a severe shortage of medium weight fighters, we just have maybe 50 to 60 F16 battle ready at a given time, most of them MLUs which are not latest and upto date. We need a powerful medium weight that can complement F16 and take its role in time of need and given current circumstances, the ONLY best option is J10c. I will not be surprised if PAF goes for it and infact will be a great choice. It will have a nice combination with JF17 and a boost for navy as well. We also have to see that china uses J10s in large numbers and if we use it too, it gives us good interoperability with PLAAF and we will keep improving them as PLAAF keeps improving it.
Yes that's the reality, and PAF must get whatever it can to have new airframes either Chinese flankers or J10s and work it's way closer towards Russia!
Actully must of these fan boys and thier families are those who took a lot of money from pak and settled down in the west so thier tilt is always there they are ready to accept anyone as thier masters if they are having good bucks in thier wallets!
France is one of the most biased and racsist countries which has long gruge towards Muslims no matter what we think and become so called Civillized and keep getting humiliation, France and other EU countries won't be giving us even a screw for our jets, this is the best time we should realise and move forward
Personally I think Pakistan will never rule out European or Russian options. Only thing which is resulting in for us not going for them is that Chinese are getting better in technology by every passing month. Soon they would be matching Europe and Russia both. In my humble opinion our way forward is getting J-10 C and latest version of J-16 from China. Produce more JF-17 than what was originally decided, and if we can get three squadrons of F-16 block 72 that would be on cherry on top.
Sure USA has offered us, a plastic model of F16s BLK 172 if we accept Israel, but then they ill take over our security and we have to give up everything are you ready for that????
