New fighter for PAF Doctrine?

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we may keep this thread active, but amend the title...

Why? What good will that do?

We'll continue to talk about getting Block 72's, no wait - used Block 40's with V-upgrade through God knows which funds.

And we'll also be getting J-10's, or wait - I think they're already in KHI. Because some people saw a different stroke of Afterburner with lights that resembled a UFO.

But, at the same time there is the J-15/J-16 which we should consider, but hey there is the Su-35 & MiG-35's.

Why bother with all that 'cause apparently we can get used Euro Fighters. There must be some parked at some sleezy dealership, right?

But lets not kid around 'cause to hell with all that - by 2025 we're getting the F-35 'cause apparently Biden is gonna get wooed by Pakistan and all its done that he'll just hand over 24 of those beasts just 'cause he's a swell guy.

[Jab kuch ana hoga - tou ajeyga. Shaadi hori-he nahe, par Dulhan kay kuab daikh baitahay hain]​

 

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Why? What good will that do?

We'll continue to talk about getting Block 72's, no wait - used Block 40's with V-upgrade through God knows which funds.

And we'll also be getting J-10's, or wait - I think they're already in KHI. Because some people saw a different stroke of Afterburner with lights that resembled a UFO.

But, at the same time there is the J-15/J-16 which we should consider, but hey there is the Su-35 & MiG-35's.

Why bother with all that 'cause apparently we can get used Euro Fighters. There must be some parked at some sleezy dealership, right?

But lets not kid around 'cause to hell with all that - by 2025 we're getting the F-35 'cause apparently Biden is gonna get wooed by Pakistan and all its done that he'll just hand over 24 of those beasts just 'cause he's a swell guy.

[Jab kuch ana hoga - tou ajeyga. Shaadi hori-he nahe, par Dulhan kay kuab daikh baitahay hain]​

Change in title of the thread will ensure discussion opened for other air platforms including armed drones and AWACS, ESM/ECM/EW and so on.

Realization of PAF doctrine is most difficult part of this whole discussion.

Then comes availability of financial resources and finally availability of suitable platform to satisfy PAF need to counter the perceived threats.

On PDF most of us, give their opinion based on some facts and some inferences. There are few members who dig the info and provide logical analysis. Few predict future actions, inference based on these info and analysis.

Basically, every possibility exist in the virtual world of PDF. So lets not get bored.

 

[Ghessan]

My point - and here in fact also to your post

i never gave opinion of buying JH7

this is the problem here, people use to give their own definition to other's statement.

so far as your arguing capability is concerned, many others doing this.

the problem is perspective, some lack it some have defined for themselves and a few keep things open to expand every time they get a chance.

 

[Incog_nito]

J-10C= best option
JH-7B mainly ground attacker, anti ship missions with limited agility/maneuverability, Not a true multirole jets like F-16/J-10 are

J-31 in development, and its is evolving into PLAAN (Naval) J-35 wait a year or 2 than we will see J-35's first flight very soon

And what about MIG-35 its cheaper than J-10C and has same capability as J-10C

A few advantages about MiG-35 will be:

1. Engine Similarity with JF-17.
2. New Platform with Twin-Engine.
3. New Russsian Tech Intro into PAF.
4. New Weapons Platform.
5. A True Multi-role Aircraft.

you need to study JH7 profile it is very capable dedicated strike plane

no rule a plane is acquired being multirole. every plane has an environment and mission to take on hence procurement

we need a plane like JH7

If China will be giving off for free (with spare support) to PAF then JH-7B in small numbers will be good.

 

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A few advantages about MiG-35 will be:

1. Engine Similarity with JF-17.
2. New Platform with Twin-Engine.
3. New Russsian Tech Intro into PAF.
4. New Weapons Platform.
5. A True Multi-role Aircraft.

If China will be giving off for free (with spare support) to PAF then JH-7B in small numbers will be good.

Russian avionics are not even at par with Chinese they have trouble developing AESA radars and the IRST on su 35 also sucks according to Chinese.....mig 35 will again feature R77 which failed on 27th feb so PAF will never go with a Russian option the su 35 negotiations fell apart because we wanted Chinese avionics and munitions on su 35 also their selling cost is way too high and they want cash payments for substandard equipment ... PAF will never think of Russian fighters the only realistic option seems to be J10C customized according to our needs .... it can support our block 3s and can easily handle Rafael with block 3s even if we don't get f16Vs...

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Russian avionics are not even at par with Chinese they have trouble developing AESA radars and the IRST on su 35 also sucks according to Chinese.....mig 35 will again feature R77 which failed on 27th feb so PAF will never go with a Russian option the su 35 negotiations fell apart because we wanted Chinese avionics and munitions on su 35 also their selling cost is way too high and they want cash payments for substandard equipment ... PAF will never think of Russian fighters the only realistic option seems to be J10C customized according to our needs .... it can support our block 3s and can easily handle Rafael with block 3s even if we don't get f16Vs...

Oh brother R-77 they were using on 27 Feb were basic one and lack the range of our C5 that's why they unable to shoot down any PAF jets , west is considered R-77 as a formidable BVR and how do you know that's Russia is struggling to make decent AESA, they were making ground based long range (OVER THE HORIZON) AESA from mid 60s and S-300/400 SAM system are also using AESA, so your saying that they are struggling to make decent AESA is totally WRONG, they have technology/experience but lack $$$

 

[Salza]

all these rumours of JH7s and J15/J16s should be put to rest. We ain't getting any.

The only plane which PAF should look is F16 Vs and even if we have to pay their price in full. Try to engage US administration of getting AIM120 Ds. If we get 36 of such new F16s with longer AARAAMs than it will be more then enough to keep IAF at bay for this decade. JF17 block 3s will then can be used to fill number gap. 36 F16 Vs (with AIM120C and Ds) along with JF17s block 3 (atleast 36) will be a deadly combination for both offensive and defensive missions. Why I am routing for F16s, simply because we are already well trained on them and have the necessary support infrastructure over the decades so as of JF17s. Their integration won't take any time.

Backup plan : Though we must put every effort to get new F16s but in case if money is the hurdle then better negotiate for used F16s upgraded with V kits. Now incase, if US Govt even block this, which is highly unlikely than only we should buy J10Cs if required.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

all these rumours of JH7s and J15/J16s should be put to rest. We ain't getting any.

The only plane which PAF should look is F16 Vs and even if we have to pay their price in full. Try to engage US administration of getting AIM120 Ds. If we get 36 of such new F16s with longer AARAAMs than it will be more then enough to keep IAF at bay for this decade. JF17 block 3s will then can be used to fill number gap. 36 F16 Vs (with AIM120C and Ds) along with JF17s block 3 (atleast 36) will be a deadly combination for both offensive and defensive missions. Why I am routing for F16s, simply because we are already well trained on them and have the necessary support infrastructure over the decades so as of JF17s. Their integration won't take any time.

Backup plan : Though we must put every effort to get new F16s but in case if money is the hurdle then better negotiate for used F16s upgraded with V kits. Now incase, if US Govt even block this, which is highly unlikely than only we should buy J10Cs if required.

This is almost impossible to get either block 70 or upgrades older block to V standard we neither have a $$$ to get these babies nor USA willing to export it to Pakistan with coming govt of democrats we have a least chances to get these stuff from USA because democrats has always anti-pakistani sentiments

 

[Salza]

This is almost impossible to get either block 70 or upgrades older block to V standard we neither have a $$$ to get these babies nor USA willing to export it to Pakistan with coming govt of democrats we have a least chances to get these stuff from USA because democrats has always anti-pakistani sentiments

No. they well sell it to you, who told you they wont. All we need is to pay them in full. I think what ever funds, we are saving, should be used on these F16Vs. 36 (two squads) should be more then enough for entire decade. Also try to negotiate for AIM120Ds. That will be the ultimate game changer for us to tackle any threat from IAF. Imagine PAF equipped with AIM120Ds (F16s) and PL15s (JF17s). Deadly combination for IAF even with Rafales meteors.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

No. they well sell it to you, who told you they wont. All we need is to pay them in full. I think what ever funds, we are saving, should be used on these F16Vs. 36 (two squads) should be more then enough for entire decade. Also try to negotiate for AIM120Ds. That will be the ultimate game changer for us to tackle any threat from IAF. Imagine PAF equipped with AIM120Ds (F16s) and PL15s (JF17s). Deadly combination for IAF even with Rafales meteors.

Na this ain't going to happen especially AIM120D they wont give they suspect Chinese espionage and your logics about new fighter jets inductions are just ridiculous and current they leaning more towards India you know what i mean

 

[Incog_nito]

Oh brother R-77 they were using on 27 Feb were basic one and lack the range of our C5 that's why they unable to shoot down any PAF jets , west is considered R-77 as a formidable BVR and how do you know that's Russia is struggling to make decent AESA, they were making ground based long range (OVER THE HORIZON) AESA from mid 60s and S-300/400 SAM system are also using AESA, so your saying that they are struggling to make decent AESA is totally WRONG, they have technology/experience but lack $$$

You are right
J-10C or MiG-35s something is coming.

 

[Salza]

Na this ain't going to happen especially AIM120D they wont give they suspect Chinese espionage and your logics about new fighter jets inductions are just ridiculous and current they leaning more towards India you know what i mean

Perhaps you are ill informed or just a kid. US gave us AIM 120Cs way back in 2005 so its 2020 now. All we need is to negotiate well. they have been leaning towards India since ages, where were u sleeping then ? US didn't blocked sale of 8 F16s block52 in 2015, all they wanted us to pay them in full without using CSF. They will still sell you if u are ready to pay them with $$$$.

And for god sake, kids like you stop involving India in everything . They don't have that leverage as you think so. stop watching their media. Lastly in few years time, US might even sell you F-35, if we can pay them $120 million per plane. Mark my words, anyways that's off topic.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Perhaps you are ill informed or just a kid. US gave us AIM 120Cs way back in 2005 so its 2020 now. All we need is to negotiate well. they have been leaning towards India since ages, where were u sleeping then ? US didn't blocked sale of 8 F16s block52 in 2015, all they wanted us to pay them in full without using CSF. They will still sell you if u are ready to pay them with $$$$.

And for god sake, kids like you stop involving India in everything . They don't have that leverage as you think so. stop watching their media. Lastly in few years time, US might even sell you F-35, if we can pay them $120 million per plane. Mark my words, anyways that's off topic.

Ok good if you want to live in your lala land and fantasy world then it is good for world geopolitical trends saying that REALITIES ARE DIFFERENT
WAKE UP YOUR WET DREAM KID

Perhaps you are ill informed or just a kid. US gave us AIM 120Cs way back in 2005 so its 2020 now. All we need is to negotiate well. they have been leaning towards India since ages, where were u sleeping then ? US didn't blocked sale of 8 F16s block52 in 2015, all they wanted us to pay them in full without using CSF. They will still sell you if u are ready to pay them with $$$$.

And for god sake, kids like you stop involving India in everything . They don't have that leverage as you think so. stop watching their media. Lastly in few years time, US might even sell you F-35, if we can pay them $120 million per plane. Mark my words, anyways that's off topic.

And do we have $$$ to buy 120-200 million 36 block 70 f16 and V upgrades for our older f16s

 

[Mirage Battle Commander]

Why? What good will that do?

We'll continue to talk about getting Block 72's, no wait - used Block 40's with V-upgrade through God knows which funds.

And we'll also be getting J-10's, or wait - I think they're already in KHI. Because some people saw a different stroke of Afterburner with lights that resembled a UFO.

But, at the same time there is the J-15/J-16 which we should consider, but hey there is the Su-35 & MiG-35's.

Why bother with all that 'cause apparently we can get used Euro Fighters. There must be some parked at some sleezy dealership, right?

But lets not kid around 'cause to hell with all that - by 2025 we're getting the F-35 'cause apparently Biden is gonna get wooed by Pakistan and all its done that he'll just hand over 24 of those beasts just 'cause he's a swell guy.

[Jab kuch ana hoga - tou ajeyga. Shaadi hori-he nahe, par Dulhan kay kuab daikh baitahay hain]​

bhai kisi se larai hui hay?

 

[Signalian]

R-77 they were using on 27 Feb were basic one and lack the range of our C5 that's why they unable to shoot down any PAF jets

Would disagree with you, range was not the reason that PAF jets couldn't be locked on and fired at. Secondly, paper specs are different from deployment and use of a weapon.