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It is internet warriors who do not understand. PAF has always looked at 16s as a bonus but not expected any. I suspect at some stage the USA admin might try that once again to maintain some control but if J10s are acquired then it will clarify PAF position once and for all.
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Agree, it give clear answer to American that love and dependency of PAF, now switch to chines birds
Now PAF defense or offense will not be dependent on usa string.

J10x, will give much similar expertise to F16s if not equal but quite near. Quick booster to PAF

Secondly released the burden on jft block 3 quick induction..
 

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If delivery time or this potential attack was truly a concern, PAC would not cut production capacity in half to make space for export orders. This is completely illogical and just scaremongering/BS tbh
If Gwadar is attacked then Pak should give mumbai a good pounding and also
the largest oil refinery in Gujarat should be blown up. I wish the Navy had J16 or JH7
for this job.
 

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If Gwadar is attacked then Pak should give mumbai a good pounding and also
the largest oil refinery in Gujarat should be blown up. I wish the Navy had J16 or JH7
for this job.
Any attack on Pak soil would be responded to very vehemently and comprehensively and lead to full scale war. I do not think it is in anyone's interest to initiate a war at this point in time. Even from the Indian perspective it would be stupid to do so and would not achieve anything at all except mutual destruction.
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Instead of depending on claims, look and analyze on ground facts.
Do Pakistan, have powerful, latest jet fighters capacity and long range missiles to defend Gawader, Karachi and also attack on Gujrat refinery and Bombay installation ??
I donot think Pakistan have it.
If yes then ellaborate, here ??
 

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I agree, I was more referring to the range and payload characteristics you would need for deep strike ops. I don't think aircraft in with those specifications are available to us. Even if we can buy the aircraft (such as the Typhoon), the supplier's SOWs aren't available to us (e.g., SCALP), and integration of our own (e.g., Ra'ad) is a non-option. I think this is why we basically moved ahead with Project AZM as a twin-engine.
I don't think the issue will be SOWs, after all the much touted Rafael is coming with Hammer. So if PAF had the funds there is no reason why Typhoon would not be supplied with SCALP.Under the pretext of balance of power in the region or I am sure there are terrorists/extremists in FATA where this system can be used. If I had a few spare billions I would have given it to PAF to buy Typhoon.

Reality is economically in the current circumstances this option is just not viable.
 

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India is growing and growing fast. Economy matters. Gap is increasing day by day and hence the courage of India. I still can't believe that they dropped bombs on our land and we still released their pilot. Yesterday their awacs was flying near bikaner. Too much activity.
Strange situation of lac as well. It looks like China wanted a war but now trying to maintain new status quo. Indian government,indian nsa all share same thought that they have to hurt pakistan just to hurt China. Look at our internal situation. We are fighting multiple fronts. We must send more army near loc.
LOL :lol:
 

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He's right mate. The only reason they are able to expand their armed forces so much is because of their economy. When we will increase our GDP to even a trillion dollars, we would be able to spend much more on armed forces than India since we have a 6 times smaller population to take care of. We'll be able to buy good jets as well.
 

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He's right mate. The only reason they are able to expand their armed forces so much is because of their economy. When we will increase our GDP to even a trillion dollars, we would be able to spend much more on armed forces than India since we have a 6 times smaller population to take care of. We'll be able to buy good jets as well.
The user I quoted has a history of believing in fake news on social media. He also believed that Indian army occupied Chamb and akhnoor dagger areas after 27 February 2019. I even made a thread to reject this fake news

As for India's spending. It still lags far behind from the threats that it faces from both Pakistan and China.
 

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I don't think the issue will be SOWs, after all the much touted Rafael is coming with Hammer. So if PAF had the funds there is no reason why Typhoon would not be supplied with SCALP.Under the pretext of balance of power in the region or I am sure there are terrorists/extremists in FATA where this system can be used. If I had a few spare billions I would have given it to PAF to buy Typhoon.

Reality is economically in the current circumstances this option is just not viable.
Why do we even need typhoon when our 50 year old mirage can drop RAAD 2 with 550 to 600 km range on India... why not simply invest in JF 17 block 3 and increase the number from 50 to 100 ( 100 fighters with PL 15 + PL 10E HMD AESA EW and data links ) all of the su 30mki mig 29 and Mirage fleet will be useless because their bvr missiles lack range which PL 15 has ( 150km just like su 30mki couldn't engage F16s with Aim120C5s PL 15 has much longer range than Aim 120C5 ) ... our only problem will be 36 Rafael then which can be dealt with if we can send two block 3s for 1 Rafael along with our superior training tactics and force multipliers we will be fine I think.... so why invest 9 to 10 billion $ in typhoon when we can deal with them with our own fighter we only need to double production rate....
 

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Why do we even need typhoon when our 50 year old mirage can drop RAAD 2 with 550 to 600 km range on India... why not simply invest in JF 17 block 3 and increase the number from 50 to 100 ( 100 fighters with PL 15 + PL 10E HMD AESA EW and data links ) all of the su 30mki mig 29 and Mirage fleet will be useless because their bvr missiles lack range which PL 15 has ( 150km just like su 30mki couldn't engage F16s with Aim120C5s PL 15 has much longer range than Aim 120C5 ) ... our only problem will be 36 Rafael then which can be dealt with if we can send two block 3s for 1 Rafael along with our superior training tactics and force multipliers we will be fine I think.... so why invest 9 to 10 billion $ in typhoon when we can deal with them with our own fighter we only need to double production rate....
Typhoon rafalae and gripen are way too expensive ..they are not even under discussion

Dicussion is probably between an f16 & chinese plateform

I doubt PAF is even going to consider new f16s but this might change with newer block70 price drop..
 

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Why do we even need typhoon when our 50 year old mirage can drop RAAD 2 with 550 to 600 km range on India... why not simply invest in JF 17 block 3 and increase the number from 50 to 100 ( 100 fighters with PL 15 + PL 10E HMD AESA EW and data links ) all of the su 30mki mig 29 and Mirage fleet will be useless because their bvr missiles lack range which PL 15 has ( 150km just like su 30mki couldn't engage F16s with Aim120C5s PL 15 has much longer range than Aim 120C5 ) ... our only problem will be 36 Rafael then which can be dealt with if we can send two block 3s for 1 Rafael along with our superior training tactics and force multipliers we will be fine I think.... so why invest 9 to 10 billion $ in typhoon when we can deal with them with our own fighter we only need to double production rate....
Deep strike are not meant for JF17, also EF2000 provides a platform that can take role of the maritime security. JF17 is a good plane, designed to replace multiple other platforms that said it still has some limitations that even BLK3 cannot solve.
1 - Range
2 - Hardpoints
3 - Max Take off weight.
 

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Deep strike are not meant for JF17, also EF2000 provides a platform that can take role of the maritime security. JF17 is a good plane, designed to replace multiple other platforms that said it still has some limitations that even BLK3 cannot solve.
1 - Range
2 - Hardpoints
3 - Max Take off weight.
In modern times we don't need dedicated fighter bombers it's simply too expensive deep strike fighter bombers need escort fighters too we don't have that kind of money why not use long range SOWs and cruise missiles to hit targets instead of risking our aircraft... Indians have alot of SAM systems including s400( on it's way) so why not invest in drone swarms or something to just overwhelm their air defense systems.. the only realistic option is j 10C let's see what PAF decides ...
 

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The user I quoted has a history of believing in fake news on social media. He also believed that Indian army occupied Chamb and akhnoor dagger areas after 27 February 2019. I even made a thread to reject this fake news

As for India's spending. It still lags far behind from the threats that it faces from both Pakistan and China.
Well I don't know the history between you guys I would rather not dive down into it.
But you have to admit that having a good economy means better spending on the military. They still spend 7x more than us.
Typhoon rafalae and gripen are way too expensive ..they are not even under discussion

Dicussion is probably between an f16 & chinese plateform

I doubt PAF is even going to consider new f16s but this might change with newer block70 price drop..
Also not to mention that Eurofighter, Dassualt and Saab are all interested in the Indian market. Even if we manage the cash they probably won't sell us much.
Those 3 should be just pulled out of the discussion at this point.
 
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Can anyone differentiate between j10c and j10x. i mean what does j10x have? i literally have no idea.
J10C is most Advanced variant for PLAAF with there own specification.
J10x concept mean modified specification as per PAF specification.
In past its done in most of the procurement from china , specially for jet
 

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